decaturvader
Sr Member
Bonus discs = torrent.
Just sayin...it's an option
Just sayin...it's an option
The Official Boycott Star Wars Bluray thread
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Shade88
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Han shoots third??? Yep I'm sure Lucas already has that in his list titled: "50 more ways to milk/Screw with Star Wars fans.":behave
Darth Lars
Master Member
It is even worse.
Parts of original film were scanned in 2K back in the '90s before adding the digital effects shots for The Special Edition. These were then printed to the film that because the SE.
Lowry Digital did their restoration work on files that they had been handed from Lucasfilm, and these files were only "Full HD" or 1920×1080.
Source 1: The Secret History of Star Wars has this:
Source 2: Audio file from 2004 press conference at 04:10:
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Paul Andrew
Master Member
the far side guy?!
Secret History of Star Wars is a great resource, especially on the 1997 reconstruction, but it is far from authoritative.
The digital colourist who worked on the 2004 scan posts using the name Vidiot in this thread:
Star Wars coming to Blu-ray! - SH Forums
He states that the restoration negative was scanned and stored at 2k (which is 1828x1556 for a scope frame; you only get the full 2048 horizontal pixels if you are scanning the full width of the negative perf to perf).
These files were 10 bit (log) DPX files. They were colour corrected at ILM to match archival prints under the direct supervision of George Lucas. The resulting files were exported as letterboxed 10 bit (log) 1920x1080 files which were then sent to Lowry for clean up. The difference in resolution between these files and a 2k Super 35 DI (like those used on many films where the Blu-ray is considered reference quality) at least as far as output is concerned is minimal. It is also the same format Revenge of the Sith was produced in and pretty much every review states it is reference quality.
The major difference between pro and consumer video is colour space: 10 bit (log) vs 8 bit (linear), and compression: 50 Mbit/s for Blu-ray vs 600Mbit/s for HDCam SR. The files Lowry got retained full colour resolution and were high bitrate. He says as much in the interview you posted.
The data would have had to have been converted to 1080p video at some point. Does it really matter if it was before or after Lowry got their hands on it?
cayman shen
Master Member
I'm going through the EP 1-3 deleted scenes on youtube, and wow. There are two or three things that should have really been left in, would really have helped flesh things out. But 99% of it is MIND BLOWINGLY BAD. Now, on the one hand, GL had the good sense to cut this crap. On the other, HE WROTE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. I mean, these ideas didn't die on paper in the second or third draft either. They got to animatic and actual filming stage, in many cases. And of course, the animatic awfulness wasn't entirely down to GL: I know there was a lot of "they fight" in the script so it was the ILM guys who made nonsense like Grievous running his wheelbike down the aisle of an Amtrak. If that extended GG/Boga scene had made it in, Batman and Robin would have looked like Blade Runner in comparison. My god, the PT actually could have been shockingly, insanely MORE lame.
Sorry, totally OT, but I didn't want to rant on the Blu-Ray appreciation thread :lol
Sorry, totally OT, but I didn't want to rant on the Blu-Ray appreciation thread :lol
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....no. That's not how Lucas works.
Qui-Gonzalez
Master Member
I guess you can chalk up getting anything different out of Lucas since fans are sopping the Blu-Rays up like gravy.
jme3
Sr Member
Which, all things being equal, would be no better in quantity or quality than what we have right now and this same drama would continue ad infinitum...
niennumb1
Master Member
I think the seamless branching technology would have made this set an absolute creme' de la creme' of Star Wars collections to own. To be able to give people that choice factor in watching it the way they want would have made this the ultimate set for OT lovers.
I dunno, if I had a series of movies so many people loved ingrained into our culture of the world I would want to reach out to as many people as possible for it to be truly THE one to own. I would have made like a master collection that had nearly every archived thing released at some point that could be sold for more money that would include high quality toy commercials and TV campaigns, interviews, auditions, any official making-of documentaries, seamless branching film technology to watch the version you want, or even a picture swap feature where you could see select scenes in their raw form before they were composited or something like that... I would have just wanted it to be THE collection everyone's waited for so that you leave no stone unturned and let the set just speak for itself.
Well that is if I had the enormous amount of financial resource Lucas does I would make that one b*tchin' bad-a___ set.
I dunno, if I had a series of movies so many people loved ingrained into our culture of the world I would want to reach out to as many people as possible for it to be truly THE one to own. I would have made like a master collection that had nearly every archived thing released at some point that could be sold for more money that would include high quality toy commercials and TV campaigns, interviews, auditions, any official making-of documentaries, seamless branching film technology to watch the version you want, or even a picture swap feature where you could see select scenes in their raw form before they were composited or something like that... I would have just wanted it to be THE collection everyone's waited for so that you leave no stone unturned and let the set just speak for itself.
Well that is if I had the enormous amount of financial resource Lucas does I would make that one b*tchin' bad-a___ set.
It's only the best first week of all time. Not the best selling Blu by far (nor will it be -- AVATAR's numbers are eye-bulging).
And of course the boycott failed. Lucas knows that he can take a dump in a bag (or, in this case, a 9-disc case) and slap a STAR WARS label on it and it will be lapped up by JediBill420 and DarthSteve69 and all the rest. The reviews are awful, the transfer sub-standard and the beloved originals nowhere to be seen. The geeks complain, but still, they buy. One can hope the staying power of this wanes after the hardcores have their opening day fix, but I doubt it.
At least this behavior virtually guarantees that at some point in the next 10 years we'll see the archival version. Because other than that and RED TAILS, Lucas won't have much else to keep the lights on at Skywalker ranch.
And of course the boycott failed. Lucas knows that he can take a dump in a bag (or, in this case, a 9-disc case) and slap a STAR WARS label on it and it will be lapped up by JediBill420 and DarthSteve69 and all the rest. The reviews are awful, the transfer sub-standard and the beloved originals nowhere to be seen. The geeks complain, but still, they buy. One can hope the staying power of this wanes after the hardcores have their opening day fix, but I doubt it.
At least this behavior virtually guarantees that at some point in the next 10 years we'll see the archival version. Because other than that and RED TAILS, Lucas won't have much else to keep the lights on at Skywalker ranch.
The Rock-a-who
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I knew we'd have little impact on the Blu Ray sales. We're really in the minority, plus the bonus disc is awfully tempting. I know a lot of people who hate the prequels and the SE OT but still bought it for the bonus disc. (I've been tempted myself, truth be told)
I've said it before, Lucas said the OT would never be released on DVD and it did (anamorphic/non-anamorphic argument aside) He will release them on Blu Ray as well, eventually.
The problem with CEOs that found the company, they have a vision and do what they can for fulfill that vision - whatever that case may be. Once that CEO/owner steps down, whoever replaces them isn't an idiot and knows they can/will make a killing by releasing the OT on whatever the media-du-jour is at the time.
It will happen, just not when we want it to happen.
Timmythekid
Sr Member
Actually that was Steven Speilberg; the 'Berg came up with that sequence, and directed ILM's pre-viz team, which Lucas apparently thought was a bit much. Who knew?
Been watching the OT theatrical versions on DVD and I don't miss the added SE extras one bit. And hey, I found out that Han shoots first! Hehehe
I'll purchase the prequels on blueray eventually but not the OT. Sooooo happy that I have the theatrical release DVD's from a limited SE set I got a few years back!
I'll purchase the prequels on blueray eventually but not the OT. Sooooo happy that I have the theatrical release DVD's from a limited SE set I got a few years back!
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