The CW's Arrow

Forget after the season, I'm done now. It's become such an awful show compared to what it used to be. It's lost a true sense of direction and spends too much time pandering to certain "ship" fans. I mean, the last spoken words of the character who died last night were used to tell Oliver to get back together with Felicity. How lame is that?
 
Arrow has gotten really really bad. Cannot stand the constant flashbacks anymore, can't stand the lame looking fights. Just silly. Diggles helmet is really ridiculous looking. Get rid of the team and just have it be Ollie. Even the Damian Dark character has become a total farce.
 
Sadly, I have to agree. I loved this show in the beginning, but man, this season (and last) has been pretty brutal. Flashbacks need to stop. I have lost so much interest in those, I couldn't tell you what is even happening in them. This show seems to have lost its heart, lost its focus. :(
 
I'm giving up on watching Arrow from this day onwards. Season 4 has just been a complete mess, 10x worse than season 3 thanks to all this Olicity bull. It's become a soap opera, with a few lame fights thrown in just to make sure the ratings stay high. Oliver's fighting ability has decreased so much since the rest of the seasons; he was able to fight and beat Ra's Al Ghul, an almost immortal master of martial arts and fighting less than a year ago, yet last episode, he was quickly knocked down by a man made of robotic bees?! And to add insult to injury, they've killed off Laurel, who I thought was beginning to become a much more likeable character since the beginning of season 4, thus ruining 50 years of comic book lore of Green Arrow and Black Canary as a couple. I get the writers are trying to do their own take on Green Arrow, but this is like killing off Lois Lane to Superman, Mary Jane to Spiderman, etc. All to appease the small number of Olicity shippers.
 
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Unless someone knows she's actually leaving the show, seems poised to be one of those fake deaths so she can work behind the scenes things. Big closed door discussion we don't see right beforehand??

Doctor's don't tend to say 'she'll be fine' if it's possible she could die in the next 30 minutes.
 
cboath said:
Unless someone knows she's actually leaving the show, seems poised to be one of those fake deaths so she can work behind the scenes things. Big closed door discussion we don't see right beforehand??

Doctor's don't tend to say 'she'll be fine' if it's possible she could die in the next 30 minutes.
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I am of the same mind.

But, at the same time, there's nothing to gain from her faking her death. Captain Lance ends up a broken man, the rest of the team mourns her death (probably by being a little more violent than normal with the bad guys), and Oliver is stuck in the same position he was this time last season by having to keep a secret from his entire team for the sake of someone/something else. Except, this time around, there's no bad guy to trick, so what's the payoff?
 
Haven't watched the episode yet, haven't read the GA comics (more of a Marvel guy when I was reading comics regularly).

I will say, as someone who really only knows these characters through this show, I'd much prefer Oliver and Felicity to be together than Oli and Laurel. Felicity is super likeable and contrasts Oliver's brooding determinism much better than Laurel, who in my opinion has been written as highly stubborn and makes frustratingly wrongheaded decisions throughout the course of the show. In terms of what I know about the characters I see on the TV, Felicity and Oli are much better than Laurel and Oli, from what I've seen.
I will concede Laurel has been written a little better this season, but overall I could do without the character.
 
cboath said:
Unless someone knows she's actually leaving the show, seems poised to be one of those fake deaths so she can work behind the scenes things. Big closed door discussion we don't see right beforehand??

Doctor's don't tend to say 'she'll be fine' if it's possible she could die in the next 30 minutes.
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I read somewhere that Marc Guggenheim had said that the death of the person in the grave would be permanent in Arrow. No coming back, no Lazarus Pit or tricks. Unfortunately, I think this is the last we'll see of Laurel in present day Arrow, unless Ollie has some sort of vision or something in the future. I'm hoping that I'm wrong but I think all we'll see of Katie Cassidy now is going to be on Earth-2 on the Flash (she's appearing as Black Siren on there in May) or maybe in some flashbacks, which may be why there were leaked set pictures of young Quentin and Laurel at a funeral, which I presume was Sara's.
 
He also said that the black canary/Green Arrow romance was the end game of the show,... And that Internet never changed their plan... Which we know isn't true since Felicity was never meant to take such an important role. I'll tune in just to make sure they killed Laurel for good, then I'm out. Thank god for the Flash though.
 
cboath said:
Unless someone knows she's actually leaving the show, seems poised to be one of those fake deaths so she can work behind the scenes things. Big closed door discussion we don't see right beforehand??

Doctor's don't tend to say 'she'll be fine' if it's possible she could die in the next 30 minutes.
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That's what I was thinking. The whole gravestone thing from the first episode is probably a big red herring. Besides, this is a comic book show, nobody ever dies forever.
 
Vox said:
I am of the same mind.

But, at the same time, there's nothing to gain from her faking her death. Captain Lance ends up a broken man, the rest of the team mourns her death (probably by being a little more violent than normal with the bad guys), and Oliver is stuck in the same position he was this time last season by having to keep a secret from his entire team for the sake of someone/something else. Except, this time around, there's no bad guy to trick, so what's the payoff?
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Maybe she's going under deep cover to go after Damien Dahrk. After all, she doesn't want to be DA unless she can take him down and with him on the loose, what's the point? Dahrk would never see it coming. And since everyone else left the room before Oliver, it would be an agreement between just those two and nobody else would have to know.
 
Does anyone actually enjoy watching this show still, or are we all just watching because we can't look away from the train wreck it's become?

The flashbacks looked like a college kids low budget horror film... The acting through the season has progressively devolved to that level as well.. The writing?...:facepalm

What on earth has happened to this show?
 
How is he going to grow his hair and beard in one year to match what we saw in the pilot? He hasn't exactly been roughing it has he?


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DC seems obsessed with secret identities and love/relationships...both of which get in the way of storytelling and heroics.....

Rich
 
The relationship part is probably more of a CW thing. I'm still not coming back until Laurel comes back though. Unless they suddenly improve the show so much that it becomes a must see, next season. I did see a news about Colton Hyanes coming back, that may be a step in the right direction, Roy was good.
 
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Does anyone actually enjoy watching this show still, or are we all just watching because we can't look away from the train wreck it's become?
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I never actually watched the show. to me, the previews made it seem really,dark, brooding, and souless. like it was trying to be batman.
for me, the best green arrow/ollie is on Justice League Unlimited. that is how i will picture the character always and forever. anything else is just a pale comparison.

also, to a comment on soap opera...that's what I thought of smallville, right down to the looks of the sets. sad to see wb hasn't learned their lesson, but i guess the formula works.
 
I used to love this show, but now I absolutely loathe what they've done to the characters and can't stand to watch it anymore. The first couple of seasons were great, especially with Deathstroke and how Felicity was originally portrayed: as a supporting character with great moments but nothing too overwhelming.

Then most of the writers and showrunners moved on to Flash and Legends. Guggenheim and Mericle took over and pushed Felicity to the front, which pretty much ruined Oliver's character and all of the storylines because they turned her into the Mary Sue of the show. Case in point: In one of the last episodes I watched before I quit, the team and Oliver were fighting an electronic bee swarm that had taken the form of a body, but Felicity just broke a lamp bulb and used it to electrocute the villain to defeat it. How lame is that? Oliver rarely even shoots arrows anymore and it seems like he's forgotten how to fight or strategize; half the time he's on screen, it seems like they just want him there so they can cover him in that awful green filter.

At least there's still Daredevil. It's not perfect either, but is leaps and bound better than Arrow is now.
 
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How is he going to grow his hair and beard in one year to match what we saw in the pilot? He hasn't exactly been roughing it has he?


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No, he hasn't, but you have to remember, we don't always see a full years worth of flashback stories. This year I'd go so far as to say we've seen maybe six months, and the last few episodes we've seen maybe two days. And Oliver could be one of those guys that can grow a big beard in like, four months.

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