The Book of Boba Fett
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MattWinchell
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Just watched the first episode and I wasn't impressed. To be fair, nothing will compete with Mando episode one since it was the very first live-action TV show we've had, but I still think this episode was pretty weak.
For me personally, I couldn't care less how Boba actually escaped the Sarlac. I'd much rather have his dreams start the moment he gets picked up by Tuskens. That section of the story is actually important to how Boba changes as a character, the scenes of him escaping the Sarlac do not. The Sarlac escape scene could have been replaced with extra important scenes.
In terms of his starting tenure at the late Jabba's Palace, I really liked the fact he clearly doesn't understand what it means to be a crime lord, as apparent by the hearings he attended. In terms of his armor, I reallllyyy don't like it. I'm sure I will care less about it later on in the show, but it really is a sore thumb on my eyes.
The music is really lacking uniqueness and is too similar to Mando. Also, I personally dislike Boba's new theme. I wish they went back with his old theme from the OT, or at least could have integrated it with this new theme.
In terms of the remaining bits of the episode, they felt underwhelming and didn't hook me into Fett taking the reigns of a crime boss. The fact he's comfortable handing over his helmet to those servants in the club space was a bit confusing for me. I really hope they dive into his character trait changes a bit, because between him now and the OT/comics, he's a completely person personality wise. Perhaps living under the Tuskens has somehow made him more chill, but right now, his characterization is confusing.
In terms of the actual point of this show, i'm not too hopeful, especially after this first episode, but my opinion could easily change after more episodes. However, much like Halliwax, I am not much of a Fett fan. In fact, i'm a little annoyed that his mysteriousness is more or less gone. What I enjoyed about Boba from the OT was the fact he was never helmetless, and we knew little to nothing about him. The PT gave him backstory of his childhood, but his tenure as a full-fledged bounty hunter is very mysterious, especially since he never took off his helmet in the OT.
What I loved about Vader so much in the OT was obviously his arc, but also his characterization in the Empire: rarely seen across the Empire, but when seen, a terrifying nightmare to be in a room with. The comics have shown stories of him in every conceivable time gap where he is always doing something so high stakes, that each subsequent story makes him feel like a supervillian than a horrored monster who is rarely seen. In my opinion, Vader is waayyyy to oversaturated in the canon now, and needs to be taken a break after the comic runs between ESB and ROTJ finish. My idea of Vader before this oversaturation was that he mainly hunted for the first couple of years as a Sith Lord for Jedi, but since then to ANH has been rarely seen amongst the Empire and has mainly been working in the shadows to undermine the Emperor like in TFU games; A shadow puppet under Palpatines rule who is very rarely released for an important task. Once ANH kicks in, he becomes more active in the Empire but doesn't do such crazy, super-sanin stuff we see in the comics. His time between ANH and ESB/ESB and Empire should have been occasionally going on important missions, but mainly staying in the Executor to brood in his chamber like a shadow, horrored beast. This is what I feel currently about Boba right now.
But going back to Boba, yeh, not super excited about this show since it removes the mystery behind Boba, but am willing to open as more episodes come out.
Just watched the first episode and I wasn't impressed. To be fair, nothing will compete with Mando episode one since it was the very first live-action TV show we've had, but I still think this episode was pretty weak.
For me personally, I couldn't care less how Boba actually escaped the Sarlac. I'd much rather have his dreams start the moment he gets picked up by Tuskens. That section of the story is actually important to how Boba changes as a character, the scenes of him escaping the Sarlac do not. The Sarlac escape scene could have been replaced with extra important scenes.
In terms of his starting tenure at the late Jabba's Palace, I really liked the fact he clearly doesn't understand what it means to be a crime lord, as apparent by the hearings he attended. In terms of his armor, I reallllyyy don't like it. I'm sure I will care less about it later on in the show, but it really is a sore thumb on my eyes.
The music is really lacking uniqueness and is too similar to Mando. Also, I personally dislike Boba's new theme. I wish they went back with his old theme from the OT, or at least could have integrated it with this new theme.
In terms of the remaining bits of the episode, they felt underwhelming and didn't hook me into Fett taking the reigns of a crime boss. The fact he's comfortable handing over his helmet to those servants in the club space was a bit confusing for me. I really hope they dive into his character trait changes a bit, because between him now and the OT/comics, he's a completely person personality wise. Perhaps living under the Tuskens has somehow made him more chill, but right now, his characterization is confusing.
In terms of the actual point of this show, i'm not too hopeful, especially after this first episode, but my opinion could easily change after more episodes. However, much like Halliwax, I am not much of a Fett fan. In fact, i'm a little annoyed that his mysteriousness is more or less gone. What I enjoyed about Boba from the OT was the fact he was never helmetless, and we knew little to nothing about him. The PT gave him backstory of his childhood, but his tenure as a full-fledged bounty hunter is very mysterious, especially since he never took off his helmet in the OT.
What I loved about Vader so much in the OT was obviously his arc, but also his characterization in the Empire: rarely seen across the Empire, but when seen, a terrifying nightmare to be in a room with. The comics have shown stories of him in every conceivable time gap where he is always doing something so high stakes, that each subsequent story makes him feel like a supervillian than a horrored monster who is rarely seen. In my opinion, Vader is waayyyy to oversaturated in the canon now, and needs to be taken a break after the comic runs between ESB and ROTJ finish. My idea of Vader before this oversaturation was that he mainly hunted for the first couple of years as a Sith Lord for Jedi, but since then to ANH has been rarely seen amongst the Empire and has mainly been working in the shadows to undermine the Emperor like in TFU games; A shadow puppet under Palpatines rule who is very rarely released for an important task. Once ANH kicks in, he becomes more active in the Empire but doesn't do such crazy, super-sanin stuff we see in the comics. His time between ANH and ESB/ESB and Empire should have been occasionally going on important missions, but mainly staying in the Executor to brood in his chamber like a shadow, horrored beast. This is what I feel currently about Boba right now.
But going back to Boba, yeh, not super excited about this show since it removes the mystery behind Boba, but am willing to open as more episodes come out.
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Wolfsburg
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Lovely food! What are the details on the helmet?
Wolfsburg
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Yeah it's like they forgot Fett already had a theme or at least a leitmotif. Although it could be argued it applied to the ESB bounty hunters generally, it accompanied him in that movie nevertheless. I don't recall if it was ever heard in ROTJ but it could've easily been tweaked and fleshed out for this new show rather than what we got. There seems to be a strange resistance to utilizing established themes in these new shows, with few exceptions.
I agree about the mystery of the character being gone but sadly that's been water under the bridge. A lot of the mystery of Fett was integrated into The Mandalorian character. Mando was something of a Fett analog without actually calling him Fett but then they decided to pursue a Fett show afterall. Not a slight against Din Djarin but frankly, I would've been on board with Fett having been the main character of The Mandalorian and his adventures post-sarlacc, including the Grogu stuff. Minus the religious zealot upbringing, (oldschool) Fett and Djarin are essentially interchangeable in my mind. I still don't quite buy the notion that Fett would've had any interest in being a mob boss.
MattWinchell
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Totally agree that his mysteriousness is long gone, but just annoyed that's all. I really hope the music in the next episodes gets better. And I really hope for the next show that we return to more orchestral music, because TBOBF is the last show I think can use this genre decent.
Joek3rr
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Hmmm.... For some reason I always thought Luke deflects a bolt from the sail barge gunner, which hits the next to the controls if the skiff behind Boba. But yeah, it looks like the gunner hits Boba? What the heck, that's worse then a stormtrooper!
Yeah the armor when Cobb gets it, is in a different condition. It's got a different rocket, which he fires. And it's been patched up in the back. I assume the Jawas fixed it up to sell it?
ConvergencePro
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Yeah originally in early storyboards Boba was going to lose a hand to Luke, and when he turns around to shield himself Luke then slices the pack sending Boba flying into the pit.Hmmm.... For some reason I always thought Luke deflects a bolt from the sail barge gunner, which hits the next to the controls if the skiff behind Boba. But yeah, it looks like the gunner hits Boba? What the heck, that's worse then a stormtrooper!
Yeah the armor when Cobb gets it, is in a different condition. It's got a different rocket, which he fires. And it's been patched up in the back. I assume the Jawas fixed it up to sell it?
Somewhere in PreProduction this got changed over a bit to having just Bobas ROTJ Blaster getting cut in half instead, and Boba using his whipcord on Luke, only to get shot in the back by that schmuck with the DOOM canon at the same moment Luke cuts himself free, and then Han gets his "revenge" sending Boba flying after. The stupid closeup shots like something out of Das Boot certainly don't help understanding the mess though hahaha
ROTJ Boba got dun dirty
There were a bunch of story holes that are real glaring.
1. When Boba escapes from the Sarlacc, it's apparently only a few days after he went in. So he went in a fit Fett, but a few days later, came out much thicker. He had quite a bit of damage to his armor for being slowly digested over a 1,000 years.
2. Where were all of Jabba's henchmen who also went into the Sarlacc? They were no where to be found, yet a Stormtrooper was next to Boba? Where'd the trooper come from?
3. When Boba went into the Sarlacc, he would have been 36. However, he pops out of the Sarlacc a few days later and not only is he thicker, but he's almost thirty years older.
4. So Boba was this badarse bounty hunter. After only a few days, not only has he gotten thicker, aged 30 years, but now can't fight off Jawas? Only thing I can think here is he was out cooking in the sun in that armor without food or water. But even after regaining some health, he can't whup a Tusken youngling?
5.
I could go on.
Now for the costume:
1. Was it me or did it look like Boba's helmet was a reworked Rubies from about 2004?
2. The new Tuskin's were pretty cool.
As for the story:
1. I agree that they've taken the mystique away from Boba.
2. If they were looking for some fan-service, where the frack was Dengar? The story of how Boba was able to survive for a few years, repairing his jet pack and finally using a thermal detonator to blow his way out of the Sarlacc was way better than what this was. Dengar finds Boba and nurses him back to health. Far better than the Tuskins... Though perhaps, Dengar will appear in a few episodes down the line rescuing Boba from the Tuskins, Or they let him go and he has to fend for himself. Who knows...
3. Yah...how did Bib get off the barge and away from the blast zone? Was that Max Rebo? How'd he get his chunky behind off the ship? Was he with Bib and a few of the other Jabba soldiers?
Again...there are a lot more, but a lot of that has been touched upon already.
1. When Boba escapes from the Sarlacc, it's apparently only a few days after he went in. So he went in a fit Fett, but a few days later, came out much thicker. He had quite a bit of damage to his armor for being slowly digested over a 1,000 years.
2. Where were all of Jabba's henchmen who also went into the Sarlacc? They were no where to be found, yet a Stormtrooper was next to Boba? Where'd the trooper come from?
3. When Boba went into the Sarlacc, he would have been 36. However, he pops out of the Sarlacc a few days later and not only is he thicker, but he's almost thirty years older.
4. So Boba was this badarse bounty hunter. After only a few days, not only has he gotten thicker, aged 30 years, but now can't fight off Jawas? Only thing I can think here is he was out cooking in the sun in that armor without food or water. But even after regaining some health, he can't whup a Tusken youngling?
5.
I could go on.
Now for the costume:
1. Was it me or did it look like Boba's helmet was a reworked Rubies from about 2004?
2. The new Tuskin's were pretty cool.
As for the story:
1. I agree that they've taken the mystique away from Boba.
2. If they were looking for some fan-service, where the frack was Dengar? The story of how Boba was able to survive for a few years, repairing his jet pack and finally using a thermal detonator to blow his way out of the Sarlacc was way better than what this was. Dengar finds Boba and nurses him back to health. Far better than the Tuskins... Though perhaps, Dengar will appear in a few episodes down the line rescuing Boba from the Tuskins, Or they let him go and he has to fend for himself. Who knows...
3. Yah...how did Bib get off the barge and away from the blast zone? Was that Max Rebo? How'd he get his chunky behind off the ship? Was he with Bib and a few of the other Jabba soldiers?
Again...there are a lot more, but a lot of that has been touched upon already.
ConvergencePro
Master Member
I'm seriously waiting for Disney/Filoni to do a cut of a line of people orderly leaving the barge through a fire escape
The overall plot for the entire show has reportedly leaked on twitter/reddit/wherever and I gotta say it literally sounds like a cheap live action CW/BB/Solo add-on with little "new" and what we would consider Man with No Name Boba being brought in story wise. BIG disappoint if true but I'll wait and see... One part just sounds ridiculous.. Weak boba is garbage though I completely agree, and yeah they coulda easily used a body double for many scenes not requiring Tems face. If its fine in TM why not here?
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To preface this, much like Halliwax, I've never been a huge Boba Fett fan. Don't get me wrong, I've always thought he looked cool and he certainly always piqued my interest, but he served his purpose in the OT and at this point it feels like he's overstayed his welcome. I love good well written characters and I find Din Djarin to be a much more compelling character, so this show has a lot to prove that the OG-Mandalorian-who-now-feels-like-he's-playing-catch-up-to-his-superior-copy is worth caring about.
That being said, this first episode was a big disappointment, nothing remarkable. A lot of how I feel has already been said here so I won't retread, however I had a couple major gripes I haven't seen discussed much yet.
The first being where's the hook? Why is Boba Fett suddenly taking interest in becoming the next crime lord? What's the reasoning? What are his motives/endgame? Also he keeps talking about doing things "differently" but we really have no idea what things were like before he decided to take over the throne, so there's nothing to compare it to and it ends up feeling empty. An opening episode for a show should hook the audience with an interesting dilemma or premise, but this felt void of that. I don't know any more about what this show is than I got from the trailers.
The second thing, and possibly the more frustrating for me...this episode looked awful. I had the same issue with Mando season two's 'The Tragedy,' it looked cheap and felt like a fan film. In this episode the lighting is flat, the colors feel blown out, and it lacks any interesting cinematography. In terms of direction, the choreography feels soft and lifeless especially, an issue 'The Tragedy' actually didn't have. I'm assuming most of this can be attributed to Robert Rodriguez's directing, which after his 2 episodes of Star Wars I can confidently say I am not a fan. But, I can't overlook that it is likely a mix of him and the DP David Klein, who was the cinematographer for both his episodes. What worries me is Klein is attached to 5 of the 7 episodes, so we'll see how much changing up the directors actually affects the look of the show. Maybe I'm just incredibly spoiled by Dune, but they need to take some notes on how to shoot desert environments in the blazing sun and make them look absolutely breathtaking. Overall, this felt like a huge step down in quality from both seasons of The Mandalorian, which were generally gorgeous.
Last note for now, and related to above, is The Volume is not doing any favors for open desert environments here. For half of this episode the set was clearly a flat floor covered in sand with giant LED screens behind them 'extending' the embarrassingly small stage footprint. This was especially noticeable when Fett has the little tussle with the Tusken guy at night after he runs away and he gets his ass kicked (again). Would it kill them to place the Tusken camp in some rock formations instead of the open "dunes" so they can hide the limitations of The Volume a little better?
Anyway, leading up to this show I didn't care much for Fett and I'm hoping the show will convince me why I should. Jury's still out on that one, but as of now I care less about him than I did last week.
That being said, this first episode was a big disappointment, nothing remarkable. A lot of how I feel has already been said here so I won't retread, however I had a couple major gripes I haven't seen discussed much yet.
The first being where's the hook? Why is Boba Fett suddenly taking interest in becoming the next crime lord? What's the reasoning? What are his motives/endgame? Also he keeps talking about doing things "differently" but we really have no idea what things were like before he decided to take over the throne, so there's nothing to compare it to and it ends up feeling empty. An opening episode for a show should hook the audience with an interesting dilemma or premise, but this felt void of that. I don't know any more about what this show is than I got from the trailers.
The second thing, and possibly the more frustrating for me...this episode looked awful. I had the same issue with Mando season two's 'The Tragedy,' it looked cheap and felt like a fan film. In this episode the lighting is flat, the colors feel blown out, and it lacks any interesting cinematography. In terms of direction, the choreography feels soft and lifeless especially, an issue 'The Tragedy' actually didn't have. I'm assuming most of this can be attributed to Robert Rodriguez's directing, which after his 2 episodes of Star Wars I can confidently say I am not a fan. But, I can't overlook that it is likely a mix of him and the DP David Klein, who was the cinematographer for both his episodes. What worries me is Klein is attached to 5 of the 7 episodes, so we'll see how much changing up the directors actually affects the look of the show. Maybe I'm just incredibly spoiled by Dune, but they need to take some notes on how to shoot desert environments in the blazing sun and make them look absolutely breathtaking. Overall, this felt like a huge step down in quality from both seasons of The Mandalorian, which were generally gorgeous.
Last note for now, and related to above, is The Volume is not doing any favors for open desert environments here. For half of this episode the set was clearly a flat floor covered in sand with giant LED screens behind them 'extending' the embarrassingly small stage footprint. This was especially noticeable when Fett has the little tussle with the Tusken guy at night after he runs away and he gets his ass kicked (again). Would it kill them to place the Tusken camp in some rock formations instead of the open "dunes" so they can hide the limitations of The Volume a little better?
Anyway, leading up to this show I didn't care much for Fett and I'm hoping the show will convince me why I should. Jury's still out on that one, but as of now I care less about him than I did last week.
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For people who think the gamorrians look weird but can't figure out why.....here is why. The originals had larger heads with no necks, the body was basically donut around the stomach and butt.
They now have regular mobile bodies and necks with scaled down heads. Now you know, and knowing is half the battle....
They now have regular mobile bodies and necks with scaled down heads. Now you know, and knowing is half the battle....
TK4611
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No Disney+ in my country and the friend who uploaded the Mando episodes for me is very sick and cannot help.
Just a black series fett helmet, I did do up a 3d printed ee3 for my girlfriend though. She is a MASSIVE fett fan and the reason for this whole premiere party and bake off
The armor he is wearing when he is covered in sand is the same stunt armor vanth and he are wearing in season two (same exact paint scheme)Hmmm.... For some reason I always thought Luke deflects a bolt from the sail barge gunner, which hits the next to the controls if the skiff behind Boba. But yeah, it looks like the gunner hits Boba? What the heck, that's worse then a stormtrooper!
Yeah the armor when Cobb gets it, is in a different condition. It's got a different rocket, which he fires. And it's been patched up in the back. I assume the Jawas fixed it up to sell it?
Watch the Jawas take his helmet off, they oblong it very easy
When he does the shredder hand rise, watch he rubber gauntlet fold
There was a bit of a music cue for the bounty hunter briefing, but then Boba himself had two -- the low bassoon one of him tracking the Falcon and the lovely horn piece as he's taking the Han-cicle to Slave I and leaving. And neither was re-used in ROTJ.
I am doubling down that the "Boba" in ROTJ, The Mandalorian, and TBOBF is Spar (or similar) and, as Jabba's henchman, he had dreams of being top dog. And all of this is a PTSD-fueled nightmare he's having while waiting for Fennic to rendezvous with him after he jumps out during the infiltration of Gideon's cruiser. That's why Bib and Max are there even though they were on Jabba's barge when it blew up. That's why the throne has his name carved into it before he takes over. That's why there's no one in the sarlacc with him but a random Stormtrooper. That's why he he looks off after getting out. And the real Boba is still out there somewhere...
That's my headcanon and I'm sticking with it. I'd rather "it's all a dream" than 21st century Star Trek levels of continuity fail.
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