cayman shen
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That's the same d-ring as ESB, so it's accurate. The ANH d-ring is much smaller.
TFA Graflex Research (That's a Graflex, right? Force Awakens teaser trailer #2)
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That's the same d-ring as ESB, so it's accurate. The ANH d-ring is much smaller.
Really loving the use of the FX sabers. Sure, it doesn't look like much without the special effects, but when it all came together it visually made for one of the best fights in the saga. Really can't decide if I want to go long or short grips with mine. On one hand, the Maz chest/handoff is THE hero in my eyes because of the importance of that scene. I also really like the shorter grips being a callback to the Anakin Ep3 (Only thing I really liked about that saber). That being said, the long grip "hero" is in the movie a LOT as well.
That's because it's the same prop saber throughout that scene.
In the context of the movie, while you do see the saber quite a bit in the Finn scene it's never shown in a close-up, so it didn't need to be a Hero saber.
The Maz saber is the Hero, and filmed inside the studio. Those Finn scenes were filmed at a different time outside on location and the Hero prop saber was not used.
Ordered a batch of lefthand thin trace TFA cards to be made, should be here in about 10 days. On the opposite side, I put the ROTS Anakin pattern, just for grins, to see if it works out ok.
One of these days, I'll reshuffle my layouts so they make a bit more sense. One question, is the righthand thin trace TFA card now completely inaccurate, or does that still exist somewhere?
One of these days, I'll reshuffle my layouts so they make a bit more sense. One question, is the righthand thin trace TFA card now completely inaccurate, or does that still exist somewhere?
jhazard
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I believe the right hand version can be seen when Maz is handing the saber to Finn. I recall Roy posting a screen cap of that. It appears both versions can be found in TFA.
I think the only short grip version is the hero? Not sure, it seems there was a hero for the Maz scenes done in the studio, a "stunt hero" for lack of a better term that was used for the outdoors/on-location/fighting scenes, and various dueling stunts including the one(s) with the antenna. I'm going back to what I said before, I think there was a "stunt hero" like in ROTJ (The ROTJ V2) that was used throughout most of the movie and then a "hero" that was specifically used for the studio close-up work (Maz castle scenes) and then there were various fighting and stunt sabers. Pretty much how the Luke ROTJ Hero was only used in 2 pivotal scenes (one was deleted) and the V2 was used throughout. It seems the short grip hero mainly appears in the Maz scenes which we know were in the studio and the other hero appears in all of the on-location scenes and fighting scenes.
I propose TFA Hero and TFA V2 for the short/long grip versions respectively.
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accidental
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some behind the scenes screenshots:
Terrasolo
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This looks like it could be one of the cloth covered sabers we heard about, given that it has no rivets in the handle and the grips seem twisted, which would make sense if something with a cloth sleeve was being handle and swung about. Just my two cents here.
Here's a scene of Rey fighting with Ren in the end, with grips to bottom...
Guess he missed where I never referred to whether or not I believed the Rey fighting saber was or wasn't one of the ones made from cloth/memory foam/rubber, and was simply posting a new pic and commenting on the fact that whatever it was, the protruding grip ridges were absent and they extended to the bottom of the saber.
Sloth, I did my best to look for any other shot beside the Finn grip shot that shows the card, but the only other one I saw in the whole movie was when it was flying from the snow to Rey's hand—comes very close to the camera—at which time the card is visible. But the cap is blurry because of the spinning motion. Still, if I had to guess it looks like thin left traces to me, as with the Finn grip scene. Doesn't make sense that they would have created two versions.
Here's the blurry cap:
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You're missing the long grip snow version. And what you call the Maz saber (hero) is the version with the short grips.
What you call Finn's saber has medium sized grips (until the end of the bottom piece). It's an outdoor hero, which we also see in close-up.
I mentioned all this in post #1997.
No idea how many stunt versions there are!
First, sorry for the multiple posts instead of combining my responses into one. Running in and out of my office. No time to get them all done at once.
I'm gonna have to disagree on the grips-to-bottom saber not being a hero because "it's never shown in a closeup..." The scene of the saber being taken from Finn's hand is zoomed in on his forearm. The scene of Finn reclaiming it from the hand of the fallen trooper is again zoomed in on the saber. The scene of the saber stuck in the snow is zoomed in on the saber. IMHO, each one of these shots is zoomed in enough to warrant referring to them as close-ups.
Now are they "close-ups" to the extent that the Maz saber gets a close-up? I would definitely agree that they are not. The Maz saber doesn't just get a close-up, it gets a LINGERING, TIGHT close-up. But the quality/length/extreme tightness of the Maz saber closeup doesn't, again to me, negate calling the shots of the Finn/Snow saber close-ups.
Also consider that in each of the close shots of the Finn/Snow saber, a saber with GOOD examples of every known feature appears (genuine and CLEAN Graflex body, straight, unbroken/unchipped grips, the clamp cover to conceal the Graflex branding, evenly-cut notches for the rivets/screws, a red button, a glass eye (even if the knurling is turned down), etc. It does not give the appearance of a saber that is missing one or more key features, or was given any less attention construction-wise than the Maz chest saber.
The attention to detail, along with the fact that it is indeed (in my opinion) viewed in several close shots makes it hard for me to group it in with an FX saber that has an obvious antenna sticking out the bottom, or one with trimmed grips with no rivets and cloth/rubber construction. Those to me are stunts, and the Finn/Snow saber just doesn't seem to belong in that same category.
My thoughts exactly! Outdoor hero, action hero, Finn/Rey hero (vs. Maz/Chest hero)—whatever we want to call it—but I think of it as a second hero.
Here is Roy's post. Thin traces on the left, I must have had it confused with the thin lines up vs. down speculation. Guess this means the right hand version is only accurate to the launch bay props. Funny that they would have different versions, unless the traces are mirrored on each side of the card and the launch bay prop has the card in upside down. That would explain the traces having different handedness and also the orientation of them being reversed (toward the lever vs. away from it).
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Aha! I knew I had seen it somewhere. This is Roy's post where he identifies one scene where the thin traces are toward the clamp and right handed. This would support my theory that the cards were possibly printed mirrored on both sides, thus opposite handedness when put in upside down.
Found that frame and here's a slightly better version, brightened and original:
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The thing is though, I am 99% certain this is a CGI saber
Man, with the better cap, I am unsure again as to which direction the thin traces are pointing. On that saber (which I agree could be CGI) the traces could very well be going to the right.
@roygilsing, which scene was it that you recalled seeing right-side thin traces?
I guess it comes down to if you want to make Finn's saber with the longer grips, or Rey's saber with the shorter grips.
Finn seems to mostly have the saber with the longer grips that go all the way down to the end of the tube. Even the 'snow' saber is Finn's, as it was thrown from his hand into the snow.
Rey's saber is the one seen in the box, the one she touches that was calling out to her. It's the saber that has started her on the first steps of her journey, and it has grips that are short on both ends.
I'm going to make Rey's lightsaber. Everyone else can make whatever version makes them happy.
Finn seems to mostly have the saber with the longer grips that go all the way down to the end of the tube. Even the 'snow' saber is Finn's, as it was thrown from his hand into the snow.
Rey's saber is the one seen in the box, the one she touches that was calling out to her. It's the saber that has started her on the first steps of her journey, and it has grips that are short on both ends.
I'm going to make Rey's lightsaber. Everyone else can make whatever version makes them happy.
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