Terminator: Genisys
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gyoung2993
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Too Much Garlic
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Rob, I'm taking it you are close to the people potentially trying to develop a T5? Are they the same guys that developed T3 and T4? Just wondering with two failures, why these same guys are still in the game and why they think they could do better with the next one?
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Not even gonna waste time on a third attempt, as it is evidently clear that those involved on those other two train-wrecks don't have what it takes to save this franchise.
Most of your argument revolves around things that are not even IN any of the movies, so your persistency about it just makes me wonder if this is actually what we can expect of a new movie and if so... you've successfully convinced me that I shouldn't waste my money.
Fixed time is so much simpler... though, also has a much more gloomy conclusion to it, that I assume is the reason why people can't and won't accept it.
Rob, I'm taking it you are close to the people potentially trying to develop a T5? Are they the same guys that developed T3 and T4? Just wondering with two failures, why these same guys are still in the game and why they think they could do better with the next one?
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Not even gonna waste time on a third attempt, as it is evidently clear that those involved on those other two train-wrecks don't have what it takes to save this franchise.
Most of your argument revolves around things that are not even IN any of the movies, so your persistency about it just makes me wonder if this is actually what we can expect of a new movie and if so... you've successfully convinced me that I shouldn't waste my money.
You remember your past and your whole past, yes? You know the past called history, yes? The past doesn't just change around you while you are reading the history books, does it? Meaning... whoever travels back and changes anything isn't doing it to our timeline - they are not only jumping in time, but also jumping timeline where the changes they were making is already part of recorded history and they've left our timeline for good, never to come back. We won't experience their changes, only the time traveler experiences the changes, not those he/she left behind. Of course, this is only if you believe in multiple timeline theory.
Fixed time is so much simpler... though, also has a much more gloomy conclusion to it, that I assume is the reason why people can't and won't accept it.
ONEYE
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Here I call bull. In the T2 script, there is a scene, storyboard, that shows/says John goes into Skynet, then sends Kyle back in time. He even tells one of his security detail that Kyle is/will be his father. Then he goes to a line of Terminators, steps in front of the empty spot, and looks at for a bit. Then he turns around and looks at the Terminator across from the empty stall and I don't remember the wording exactly but I think that's the one he re-programs and sends back to battle the T-1000.
Here I call bull. In the T2 script, there is a scene, storyboard, that shows/says John goes into Skynet, then sends Kyle back in time. He even tells one of his security detail that Kyle is/will be his father. Then he goes to a line of Terminators, steps in front of the empty spot, and looks at for a bit. Then he turns around and looks at the Terminator across from the empty stall and I don't remember the wording exactly but I think that's the one he re-programs and sends back to battle the T-1000.
ONEYE
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Rob,
It's not us who are "over thinking" this, it's the film makers who didn't think it through. It's Cameron's ego who said T2 was the end of the story, nothing more needed to be said. I don't see how T5 could be made with the thinking that T3 & TS are just alternate timelines, or incorporating them or anything. Honestly, if the same people from TS and or T3 are involved, I may say "hasta la vista". T3 was nothing more than a rejected script for T2. TS, sure some good things (T-600, Hybrid), but essentially it was more like they were saying Tough S#!+.
Rob,
It's not us who are "over thinking" this, it's the film makers who didn't think it through. It's Cameron's ego who said T2 was the end of the story, nothing more needed to be said. I don't see how T5 could be made with the thinking that T3 & TS are just alternate timelines, or incorporating them or anything. Honestly, if the same people from TS and or T3 are involved, I may say "hasta la vista". T3 was nothing more than a rejected script for T2. TS, sure some good things (T-600, Hybrid), but essentially it was more like they were saying Tough S#!+.
robstyle
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Believe it or not the people behind TS had come up with a great TS story outside of the script that was green lite. This mostly started with Bale wanting to be Connor and not Marcus. Im serious when I say the original TS script was a comedy. If that script was stuck to im certain someone would have been shot. My guess is $200+ mil was at stake, people became nervous, the film was cut down, necessary scenes needed for the mentioned good story lines and plot were axed, and we ended up with what became the final cut. In the end it was some bad decision making and the movies flopped at the box office.
Im solely going off the TS inside info that would have lead into T5 and T6. It was to be a new trilogy from the get go. Instead TS goes nowhere. That TS inside story could still be salvaged with T5 and T6 if the rules are stuck to. Im not bringing in missing pages or cut scenes from any other films, just going off the missing yet still visible TS plot that again leads into T5 and T6.
Personally I think Bale was a good visual for JC Sr but that damned angry voice just kills things. Outside of Bale a complete unknown would have been the way to go and I would have done this for EVERY character minus Roland as the T800. I would have canned the big bang booms....
Believe it or not the people behind TS had come up with a great TS story outside of the script that was green lite. This mostly started with Bale wanting to be Connor and not Marcus. Im serious when I say the original TS script was a comedy. If that script was stuck to im certain someone would have been shot. My guess is $200+ mil was at stake, people became nervous, the film was cut down, necessary scenes needed for the mentioned good story lines and plot were axed, and we ended up with what became the final cut. In the end it was some bad decision making and the movies flopped at the box office.
Im solely going off the TS inside info that would have lead into T5 and T6. It was to be a new trilogy from the get go. Instead TS goes nowhere. That TS inside story could still be salvaged with T5 and T6 if the rules are stuck to. Im not bringing in missing pages or cut scenes from any other films, just going off the missing yet still visible TS plot that again leads into T5 and T6.
Personally I think Bale was a good visual for JC Sr but that damned angry voice just kills things. Outside of Bale a complete unknown would have been the way to go and I would have done this for EVERY character minus Roland as the T800. I would have canned the big bang booms....
Too Much Garlic
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I want quality over quantity and those people cannot deliver.
No... even with all the cut stuff from TS it would have been a lame movie, so I stand by my point that if the people working on T3 and TS are the ones trying to develop the next one... it can only tank, 'cause they clearly don't know what they are doing. Best option is just to can that crap and go back to the Cameron source and get good writers and good directors instead of TV-movie types, as that's what T3 and TS reminds me of... crappy TV quality movies with big budgets. Quantity over quality.
I want quality over quantity and those people cannot deliver.
You don't even need to can everything or remake anything. Just can the crap T3 and TS and go back to continue the good stuff - I can in part accept T2, but still think T1 is a closed story that doesn't easily include T2, but it can be worked. Unlike trying to work with those other movies. Just ignore them like ignoring the Sarah Connor Chronicles in terms of the next movie. EASILY DONE. .)
Polsnulspace
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re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)
I definitely would discount this with the way things are these days with reboots and the speed in which they do them. I still can't get over how quickly they rebooted Spidey....and even Bats for that matter. Don't get me wrong as I welcome all reboots and give them their chance. No matter how good they, they've never detracted from my love of the originals if that be the case.
I love the Terminator concept but unfortunately it started to go off track as soon as T2 first appeared on our screens and has just got worse and this is a true shame. I believe they have one more chance at this with T5 but they will need to pull their socks up and get it done right. If they can't do it right.....let someone else reboot it.
Interesting possibility about a reboot though. Would the designs of the Terminators be rebooted aswell? This is something I wouldn't like......I think!:confused
I definitely would discount this with the way things are these days with reboots and the speed in which they do them. I still can't get over how quickly they rebooted Spidey....and even Bats for that matter. Don't get me wrong as I welcome all reboots and give them their chance. No matter how good they, they've never detracted from my love of the originals if that be the case.
I love the Terminator concept but unfortunately it started to go off track as soon as T2 first appeared on our screens and has just got worse and this is a true shame. I believe they have one more chance at this with T5 but they will need to pull their socks up and get it done right. If they can't do it right.....let someone else reboot it.
Interesting possibility about a reboot though. Would the designs of the Terminators be rebooted aswell? This is something I wouldn't like......I think!:confused
ONEYE
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re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)
Hopefully they wouldn't touch the classic T-800, Aerial HK, and Hunter Killer tanks. I do like the T-600 design. I can see minor adjustments to protect the endoskeleton's vulnerable pistons with a protective shield. Child and female endoskeleton's could be possible. Something new to think about. How would you update the design, yet keep it instantly recognizable?
Hopefully they wouldn't touch the classic T-800, Aerial HK, and Hunter Killer tanks. I do like the T-600 design. I can see minor adjustments to protect the endoskeleton's vulnerable pistons with a protective shield. Child and female endoskeleton's could be possible. Something new to think about. How would you update the design, yet keep it instantly recognizable?
gyoung2993
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No matter what happens in any form of the movies ,the T-800 will always remain the Icon and the best developed cyborg in history ,I cant believe they would ever do anything to alter past, or future creations to exceed the T-800 for its design ,I hope nothing is altered at all ,cause if they do ,we are bringing out ,the PLASMA RIFLES....lol
No matter what happens in any form of the movies ,the T-800 will always remain the Icon and the best developed cyborg in history ,I cant believe they would ever do anything to alter past, or future creations to exceed the T-800 for its design ,I hope nothing is altered at all ,cause if they do ,we are bringing out ,the PLASMA RIFLES....lol
Polsnulspace
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re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)
Has there ever been a reboot where they didn't change the design of something very important to the original movie(s)? I personally can't think of one so in this wacky world of reboots, I doubt the T-800 would be saved from even some minor tweeking. The word sleek comes into mind though. The T-800 was designed around Arnold's somewhat large frame size and he was your typical 80/90s action hero and that isn't really what we have these days. Smaller, sleeker sized Termi's could blend in better that some Hulk of a guy,
I'd be really interested to see some concept designs though.
Has there ever been a reboot where they didn't change the design of something very important to the original movie(s)? I personally can't think of one so in this wacky world of reboots, I doubt the T-800 would be saved from even some minor tweeking. The word sleek comes into mind though. The T-800 was designed around Arnold's somewhat large frame size and he was your typical 80/90s action hero and that isn't really what we have these days. Smaller, sleeker sized Termi's could blend in better that some Hulk of a guy,
I'd be really interested to see some concept designs though.
cayman shen
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Seriously, can T5 just reveal that Skynet was developed from Predator tech so that the Preds would have self-sustaining super-cyborgs to hunt? And then give us two hours of Predators and Terminators bashing the **** out of each other? I'd pay fifty bucks to watch that movie :lol (And yes, I love Terminator and would love to see a proper straight up sequel. But I'm totally not joking. Bring on PvT cheesy goodness!)
Seriously, can T5 just reveal that Skynet was developed from Predator tech so that the Preds would have self-sustaining super-cyborgs to hunt? And then give us two hours of Predators and Terminators bashing the **** out of each other? I'd pay fifty bucks to watch that movie :lol (And yes, I love Terminator and would love to see a proper straight up sequel. But I'm totally not joking. Bring on PvT cheesy goodness!)
Too Much Garlic
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I always thought Terminator and Alien and Predator meshed well together... but again... we'll probably just get T3 and TS and AvP quality movies. BOOOOOOOOORING.
cayman shen
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Even though as a film snob I know better, I love the AVP movies
I would be soooooo down for Terminator vs Pred!
Even though as a film snob I know better, I love the AVP movies
I would be soooooo down for Terminator vs Pred!
ONEYE
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re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)
Even though as a film snob I know better, I love the AVP movies
Too Much Garlic
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re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)
I'm just not sure I buy the unstoppable nature of such a machine - it got a little close with the T-1000 sometimes, but he was probably closer to what Cameron had originally intended in T1. Though, they WERE supposed to be infiltrators - hit and run kinda of deal - not human sized tanks. Finesse over brute force. So that aspect will have to be taken into account as well. Hell... even Arnold in T1 was not the punch through walls, stopping trucks in their tracks or heavy in the same way as portrayed in the sequels and the tv series - a normal guy could push him around, though still ended up dead. Even with a metal skeleton, the skin, when punching through concrete, would be pretty damn shredded and bloody after a few hits and for a machine trying to blend in, such tactics are just dumb writing and on top of that not even having a scratch afterwards... well... :rolleyes.
I believe some of James Cameron's concept drawings for the endoskeleton was drawn with a medium sized man in mind. Some of the drawings certainly look sleek and not as bulky as the endo eventually turned out due to Arnold's size.
I'm just not sure I buy the unstoppable nature of such a machine - it got a little close with the T-1000 sometimes, but he was probably closer to what Cameron had originally intended in T1. Though, they WERE supposed to be infiltrators - hit and run kinda of deal - not human sized tanks. Finesse over brute force. So that aspect will have to be taken into account as well. Hell... even Arnold in T1 was not the punch through walls, stopping trucks in their tracks or heavy in the same way as portrayed in the sequels and the tv series - a normal guy could push him around, though still ended up dead. Even with a metal skeleton, the skin, when punching through concrete, would be pretty damn shredded and bloody after a few hits and for a machine trying to blend in, such tactics are just dumb writing and on top of that not even having a scratch afterwards... well... :rolleyes.
Too Much Garlic
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Lance Henrikson, who's Bishop in Aliens and Weyland in AvP, so he's been in all three franchises, if you count AvP as a Predator movie. .)
Lance Henrikson, who's Bishop in Aliens and Weyland in AvP, so he's been in all three franchises, if you count AvP as a Predator movie. .)
Davy Jones
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