Terminator: Genisys

[Too Much Garlic]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

roland could play arnold , the guy from the spartacus prequil could play kyle reese , and sgt burton could play franco columbos role in the reboot .just spitballing

I'm just not seeing Michael Biehn in that actor - he's way too buffed.

Just watched a whole season of Reaper - yeah, it's fun and relaxing - and noticed the lead character having a better resemblance. Haven't seen him in other things, but I think I'll buy him as Reese more than the guy from Spartacus.

Bret Harrison - IMDb

 

[The Terminator]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

If hybrids had any involvement in the time machine program and build, then yes, thats the explanation for living tissue.

Or just the fact that Skynet builds a time machine for the sole purpose of sending one or more Terminator machines back in time and either directly kill John Connor before the war or even better prevent him from ever being born. The time machine just happens to require living tissue for the time displacement field to actually send something back.

the Arnold T800 being captured and reprogrammed

If by T-800 you mean the one in T2, it was probably never activated before John's men found the time machine and they sent it back.

he has the Arnold T800 as his guardian (the one that killed JC Sr in T5)

w00t?? :confused like in the T3 story line you mean? When Arnie mentions "I killed you"? Because that was according to T3 a T-850.

...Although I don't know how the Terminator kept running after stuffing his last remaining power supply into the T-X's mouth. :lol

Easy... the writer is an idi... "not so smart person"

So... T3 again makes no sense.

Yeah again the writer/s along with the rest of the crew seriously f-ed up. Cameron's obvious message from the first two films clearly states "the future is not set"

Rob, where do you get the 2032 date from? Was that mentioned in TS? Only saw it once, so might have forgotten. Or was it from T3? Only saw that once, so might have forgotten.

T3... which is a bit odd since the war ended on July 11th 2029 as seen in T1 and T2.

So, it HAS been done before.

Loads of times. I have another one for you, Halloween 3

If the Terminators are nuclear powered then why didn't the one in T1 use it to blow up Sarah at the end?

What wolfie said.

Connor going to Skynet Central? Stupid.

Not as stupid as turning "Skynet Central" into a huge bright christmas tree on a flat surface. Cameron had already placed the central core deep below Cheyenne Mountain which was smart.

I believe the 2032 year comes from JC Jr

There is no John Connor Jr.

Its not an alternate time line, its how things have happened.

:lol Perhaps if you are talking about the Back to the Future films which are well written, but certainly not T3 and TS.

we can see the T900 program.

Um no and Whaaaat???? :confused :confused

In failed attempts they discover liquid metal...

What? Who are these "they"??? :confused

We dont need F-Bombs, boobs, extreme gore or sex to deliver a great Terminator movie.

Agreed, but we also definitely don't need another frakking PG-13 "Terminator" movie where Skynet all of the sudden decides to stop killing humans and just go ahead and throw us around..... cause that really seemed to work in Salvation for example.

If you after F-Bombs, gore and boobs thats what the internet and Playstation/X Box online and horrible Rob Zombie movies are for.

You seem to have a fairly narrow mind when it comes to R-rated films. Why do you think Ridley Scott fought so hard over the R-rating for Prometheus?

For a great Terminator movie we need a film that follows the rules with fitting cinematography, a well rounded script that goes somewhere and a plot that makes you think.

Which is exactly what they didn't give us with either T3 nor TS

There is no base timeline that a John Conner can exist because he is created by the time travel event. So how does Reese get sent back in time by JC from a base timeline? He can't

that's odd because Kyle mentions John to Sarah..... if he didn't exist before the time travel event how could Kyle possibly mention him?

John Conner

His name is "Connor", not "Conner" or "O'Connor"....

I only wish the T5 writers would take the time to think things out, or at a minimum, read this thread.

That won't happen not in a million year. The previous writers didn't even bother check the previous films.

Im only talking existing films leading into T5. No books, no video games, no comics... There is no multiple time lines

Either there are or Terminator 3 and Salvation aren't Terminator films. Because those two have nothing to do with the T1 film's timeline.

The T600 wasnt an infiltration unit, that was the T800. The T600 is a truck, its noisy,

Actually it is and I'm pretty damn sure Kyle didn't describe the T-600 as a truck to Sarah in T1.

The idea is the T600's

Nope, it's just lazy/bad/horrible writing.

So Skynet thinking outside the box creates the infiltration units, however on their first try (the 600s) they use rubber

Not "they", IT... Skynet is sole computer system "in charge". And the T-600 was probably not Skynet's first infiltrator unit. Why? Simple logic you don't start a series with "600". You either start it with 100 or just 1.

Knowing the 600s have failed, they create the 800 series

More likely the 700 series before that.

While I'm sure this was done by Cameron as a clever and direct way to explain why neither Kyle nor the Terminator brought weapons

Exactly, ray guns

it really does make zero sense that a machine would create a device only living tissue can travel through.

Um WHAT?? That is retarded. Skynet created a time machine yes, but not specifically for living tissue... why would you think a super intelligent super computer would do that???? :confused

And Terminators could just carry their weapons inside them. Plenty of room in the gut area.

Might be where the organs are stored that keeps all the living tissue... you know "living".

Or just put an H-Bomb in a cow and send it through.

Skynet would probably already have used all the WMD's in its disposal, why else risk time travel?

But that doesn't explain the sequels. The humans either had control of it or blew it up.

It does. Kyle said they had smashed Skynet's defense grid, that they had won. So it sends back the T-800 and T-1000 as Connor and his men gets there... Kyle goes back, then he spots the "Uncle Bob" T-800 and sends it back as well....

I do not believe that Skynet would have only one TDD. I think they would have built two

IT. The TDD was an experiment and Skynet wouldn't have had the power needed to power two.

Why not engineer an organ specifically to hide a weapon? I thought they smelled bad on the outside.

Because sending a terminator back through time was its last ditch effort to try and win the war?



:cheers Happy New Year! :cheers

 

[robstyle]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

Thats waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many quotes.

Seems the only people who know a T800 vs a T850 are the 1% fan boys. Then at that, whats the difference? Could be as simple as a processor or programing upgrade. This could in theory be done buy the resistance as captured Terminators are reprogrammed to fight against Skynet.

I keep talking T5 which is what this topic is about, not a new T3 or a new T2. Just as with the rest of the films, the time lines change but the end result is the wall end all time line. Its very basic, no over thinking needed. There is nothing to say the war ended on 2029 yet the machines kept operating and building the end all time line time machine. This is what I seem to have failed getting across earlier. We can still have the T1 Terminator go back at an earlier date, we can still have the T2 Terminator go back at an earlier date, we can have near all events accounted for. Skynet would have had to test the time machine yet on every single test whatever they attempt to send back would need to be treated as a mission. This would mean a suitable machine programmed to accomplish the mission the time machine is built for. My own person theory about the time machine is its a sort of and unstable nuclear bomb sending off mass amounts of radiation and heat. Its by no means an elevator or leisure Sunday drive in grandpa's 74" Lincoln Continental but a nuclear microwave and your the popcorn. A Skynet machine/computer functions on calculations. Calculate the risks vs the potential outcome and the theory they wouldnt f around by sending a box back in time makes sense. They would send fully functional, programmed for the mission Terminator.

Broken record here again, the events have happened already. Skynet figures this out near the end. Nothing can be changed, only postponed but NOTHING will be effected after the end time line. Thats where the past catches up with real time in the future which is the present.

Im on the computer at the end of my house and im going to get the mail. There is a long hallway between me and the front door then equally long walk to the mail box. Im going to go get the mail. Maybe ill stop by the toilet and rotate the inventory, maybe ill stop to pet my cats or instead of slippers ill put my boots on or not at all and go barefoot, maybe ill stop right at the front door turn around and go get a drink of water... but my end goal will not change. I will go get the mail. It may be another minute added to it due to the events inbetween but the end result will not change. Thats the end all time line yet were talking a time machine. The events inbetween can and will change but the end result will always happen. Everything on Earth ends. I believe thats why they sent Jason Vorhees to space.

And there is indeed a JC Jr. He is the unborn child in TS. Its seen in every Kate scene of the film regardless of the attempt in editing to hide that story line.

 

[terryr]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

It does. Kyle said they had smashed Skynet's defense grid, that they had won. So it sends back the T-800 and T-1000 as Connor and his men gets there... Kyle goes back, then he spots the "Uncle Bob" T-800 and sends it back as well....

Happy New Year! :cheers

Well, if you want to reverse engineer it, then why didn't Skynet send everything after Sarah Connor? 3 Terminators show up and erase her. Image if the T-1000 walks into the police station as a cop and empties a clip into her head. Or the 'female' Terminator checks all the colleges and finds Sarah and walks right up to her and tears her head off. No chance of fighting back.

Sending 3 at 3 different times that have to find the target 3 times isn't logical.

 

[robstyle]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

In essence Skynet sending back anything has no effect on the future present and thats how Skynet figures out the past cant be undone as its already happened. It can be postponed but the events will still happen. This is why Skynet reverts to sending technology files back in time while putting the Connor assassination game on the second hand sale rack. Accept the fact whats happened in the films has happened, those events cant be changed, were on a film here not reality.

If sticking to deleted scenes, fact: Cyberdyne existed before the T1 Terminator came back. This means the future events were already set in motion. The end events of T1 gave Cyberdyne the chance to massively speed up that time line. Yet the events of T2 side tracked Cyberdyne but Skynet was in development by the US military as seen in T3 while also carrying on and furthering the R&D of Cyberdyne. Connors or not, the events were in motion and they would happen. The Connor assassination game was what altered the time line. If no Connor's were involved, maybe things would have happened as T1 claims, but in movie reality it cant as we see things change in T1 and every film after. If no Connors then maybe Kyle, if not Kyle than maybe Jose the gardener, if no Jose the gardener maybe Eugene the IT guy in telemarketing...

What ifs dont further the story or solve anything. As I keep saying, if T5 isnt to tie things together, its not worth continuing the existing franchise. Realistically one could read parts of this thread alone and pen T5 (Willy, hello, you out there, is this thing on...) then T6 writes itself. There is an end goal, rules to follow, plots and seemingly twists yet it all works out minus the nitpicking of the 1% who want everything solved and then the ones that only want T1 time lines. Sad thing is it can be PG13, even sadder is I doubt 99% of the people that complain about a PG13 rating even comprehend what you can and cant get away with for that rating.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

I still haven't figured out where you got that end all time you keep talking about. What movie mentioned it?

And you are talking about "rules" to follow? There are no rules in the Terminator movies anymore, 'cause they all got ****ed to **** with the sequels. There is no such thing as continuity anymore.

Sure we are talking "T5" and not just a new terminator movie, so maybe I should just stop writing in this thread as I really don't want to see that trainwreck franchise continue. I want to see the future Reese talked about and that we saw glimpses of in T1. That's just not gonna happen, so I might as well just accept it and move on to better things.

 

[SSgt Burton]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

Just throwing this out there...

Would Skynet know that components from the first Terminator sent back to 1984 accelerated its own existence?


Kevin

 

[Too Much Garlic]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

Just throwing this out there...

Would Skynet know that components from the first Terminator sent back to 1984 accelerated its own existence?


Kevin

Depends on what records Cyberdyne was keeping, seeing as they were not shy of lying to people - paper trails would be embarrassing and a liability.

With the writers of T3 and T4... maybe it did in those. Certainly was never indicated to be the case in the Cameron movies, even when he started messing with his own established rules in the second one just because they felt it was time and could be fun to do another one.

 

[terryr]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

T1 ends with Kyle being put in the ambulance. But Cameron filmed a pan up which shows us the building is Cyberdyne. [probably on Youtube.] He left it out to give Sarah a complete win.
But he always meant to have that go in a loop.

 

[ONEYE]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

T1 ends with Kyle being put in the ambulance.

TERMINATOR(DELETED SCENE) - YouTube

 

[robstyle]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

I still haven't figured out where you got that end all time you keep talking about. What movie mentioned it?

And you are talking about "rules" to follow? There are no rules in the Terminator movies anymore, 'cause they all got ****ed to **** with the sequels. There is no such thing as continuity anymore.

Ive already, ten times or more maybe, mentioned the end all time line is when JC Jr is around same age as JC Sr in T2. :behave

There is a way to tie all movies in, its what ive also mentioned ten times, while making sense. Just comprehend what ive said ten times, you cant change whats already been done. Its a movie, movie rules are whats on camera edited into a movie. Dont shoot the messenger, ive done my best to get the info across of what could have been, what was set out to do, things that were discussed leading up to the end of the Terminator universe. Nobody said the T1 future war dream sequence battle scenarios wouldnt happen in T5 or T6. Ive also said, ten times, the skies are blackened and the Earth near completely barren by the end time line. That sounds much like the future war scenario being in place. It would all end on an ultimate down note.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

So, when JC Jr is 10 years old? If you are talking about old John Connor in T2, then he was 45 years old in that scene in 2029. And since Kate or whatever the F her name is didn't give birth in T4, the kid isn't born yet, so no telling whether she dies before giving birth and the kid dies too. If it is not in the movies, it's not canon, so not worth arguing about - the coulda-shoulda-wouldas of T4 is not what we got, so there is NO end-all time line. The only fact mention of 2032 I've been able to find is the T3 crap about Connor being assassinated in that year by the Terminator in that movie, so don't be so defensive when I ask you where you got that from - and clearly you didn't get it from one of the movies.

The sequels cannot and do not tie in at all to T1.

And funny you should mention the movies being locked - they did happen. That's exactly my view on time travel and the past. And seeing as things were altered in the subsequent movies, we are no longer in the T1 timeline. Reason for this argument: Reese didn't know about the things happening in those movies and John would, as it's HIS past. But you seem fine with the sequels changing things all to hell, so clearly you accept changes, meaning... they are not locked, so, can easily be ignored completely and just go back to the source. Don't take away at all that the other movies happened - they are just not in that original timeline.

There just comes a time when something has gotten so broken that you have to ask yourself whether it's worth trying to work with it or just toss all the crap. So the Reese sent back in any subsequent movies won't link with the Reese we saw in T1, no matter how much BS explanation people come up with to try to get it to fit. Just not gonna happen.

 

[ONEYE]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

1. Kyle never says Sarah trained John Jr. she trained John. I don't buy into the John Jr. crap. There was and always has been one John that leads the humans to victory.

2. Is time travel necessary for the next Terminator movie? If not, where would T5 pick up from?

3. I declare a do-over. Start the story over, film it as three movies, using the same actors/actresses (as they did in LOTR). This would insure continuity from start to finish of the story.

 

[robstyle]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

over thinking guys, oooooooooooooooover thinking. You just have to get over this "T1 says" road block youve set up for yourselves.

JC Sr dies in a mission to capture or destroy a/the time machine. Kyle's future ends there at that point, yet the fall of the machines isnt concrete. Kyle only knows what happens up till he steps foot in that machine and gets microwaved in 2029. There is still four more years to go till 2032 where the past catches up with the present and the wall is hit. JC Jr is the one that shuts it all down and ends the war yet in the process, also destroys humanity.

 

[ONEYE]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

robstyle

 

[robstyle]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

and just for you the "game over man" line can be added.

 

[Polsnulspace]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

3. I declare a do-over. Start the story over, film it as three movies, using the same actors/actresses (as they did in LOTR). This would insure continuity from start to finish of the story.

I agree.....and do the same with Star Wars while they're at it!

 

[TazVader]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

Well all your arguements are "Invalid'" as we no longer have Stan

Interesting though...some of you guys have really spent alot of time thinking this through .

Best
Taz

 

[ONEYE]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

Interesting though...some of you guys have really spent alot of time thinking this through .

Best
Taz

When they don't make the movies, you got to do what you got to do. I stick my mind on autopilot and make my own.

 

[n0regret5]

re: Terminator 5 (Reboot)

I'm sticking with the theory that every time someone travels back in time it alters the future where that person had come from so nothing is ever set in concrete.

thats enough for me.