T1 and T2 Endoskeleton Research Thread

[Too Much Garlic]

Maybe we should create a thread showing the differences, if you are interested?

The skull itself is pretty different. The T2 ones I've seen seems to have been vertically "squashed" down a bit on the top, so it doesn't go as high up, and the temple edges protrudes out more a bit at the corners. So it isn't just the front and rear cover on top, as well as some of the groves in the skull and the temple inserts that are different - the whole skull shape is different.

There are the Torq-set screws on the side of the jaws and on the front of the chest on T1, whereas it is an allen key screw on the T2 and the chest is left blank or filled in with some other type of screw.

I know the piston that goes from the back of the head down to the shoulder motor is different between T1 and T2. The guy from Japan who works with M1 skulls showed that the T1 was ball jointed, whereas the T2 had switched to a "universal" joint - is that what the multi-jointed ones are called?

The knee piece is different, with the T1 not having a protruding knee piece.

And the hands and feet are different.

ALL the pistons all over the endoskeleton are also different from the T2 ones. I found that out while modeling my 3D models. I want to try to replicate the T1 versions too, but it is fairly difficult to get exact measurements from pictures, especially when some measurements on the T2 were only around 0.125 cm in width... so won't really show up in the pictures at all.

 

[The Terminator]

Could be a good idea. However as you stated when we only have photos, usually rather low resolution, a lot of details are lost. And no accurate measurements.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

I know Adam Savage got a look at the Propstore T1 lower arm and hand and was allowed to take some measurements, but I doubt he was able to take all the measurements required to do the pistons. But also... another thing I noticed on that arm is that the pistons are angled in a way, so the bottom lines up with the elbow sleeve, so it creates a continuous line, a way I've not seen many replicas do it as they have the pistons go more straight down, with the pistons leaving a gap. Have to check whether this difference is also on the T2 endos.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Got a notice that Thingiverse has been hacked and passwords stolen. So anyone who has an account there should change their password as soon as possible.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Did a little work today. Realized I had almost done all the work for the remaining toes already... just had to tweak a few things. Next thing will be to finish that egg-shaped part connecting the upper and lower pistons to the toe part. It's just... if I go with the screen used look, then it won't match the LFS kit look, where the egg-shape is different and the lower pistons are added to it differently than the screen used looking one would, though that would mean fork shaped parts on the lower pistons on toe 3, 4, and 5, are the same as the one on the second toe and not different shapes like on the LFS kit. I know it doesn't make much sense... but the screen used egg-shape part means the lower piston forks should be the same. I modeled them like in the LFS kit... so I may have to change that or offer both options - the LFS option is just much more work.

Then I have to angle things, so they sit right and then finish the screw covers.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Can't tell on the original props, so wanted to hear your opinions. Should the groove for the string go all the way through, or just extend straight up, or curve out at the top?

 

[The Terminator]

Extend straight up probably

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Cool. Went with that.

Also did the screw covers. Anybody know what they are and how the original parts look, as I'd like get things right, so things fit if people decide to buy the original pieces.

 

[Conqueror_Worm]

 

[Sean1987]

Are you making your own frame ? I did. It’s a mother ,,,…..

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Thanks for the info.

I will have to eventually. Just don't know how.

Anyway, I am kinda looking for some assistance. I'm looking for pictures and more info on this endoskeleton from the Tomenosuke Shoten shop in Japan.


Since it has many T1 parts I'm interested in detailed photos of various parts of the endo, such as pistons, feet and how it actually connects together inside the chest. If anyone has any pictures that wasn't posted on the LFS site, I would love to see them. It was out on display at the Tokyo Comic Con in 2017 at the Makuhari Messe International Exhibition Hall, as seen here - pictures found through duckduckgo search.


I believe earlier in the thread or in some other thread someone posted a Stan Winston Studios image of when it was still in their possession. It really is an awesome piece. Additionally, if anyone speaks Japanese or lives near the place it is located, it would be kinda cool if it would be possible to get in touch with the owner to ask if it would be possible to be allowed to take detailed pictures of it.

Cheers everyone.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Worked a little on the foot models today. Will see if I can work some more on them tomorrow.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Am almost finished. Just need to make a peg hole in the egg-shaped pieces between the foot pistons and the toes and since they are all the same I just need to do it to one and then copy/paste. Then I need to rework the fork pieces on the bottom piston, as the LFS doesn't match SWS made feet, and then finish the screws and some pins.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Foot models done. Turned out there were quite a lot of differences between the LFS kit and original pieces, so I tried to match the originals wherever I could. And following the originals, it was clear that all the pistons are not functional, so I made mine locked in place as well. The only thing that moves is the egg-shaped connector between upper and lower piston models as well as the toes.

Pictured is the right foot Models. All you need to do to make the Left is to put in the screws opposite to this look and arrange the toes in the opposite order.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

It'll take a while until I get them uploaded to Thingiverse, so until then I'm posting the dropbox links here - they will be removed at some point. I'd be interested in hearing what people think and whether the tolerances between the individual models is good or too tight.

Also uploading the updated pistons. The big chest to pelvis piston is still a WIP, as I'm still debating whether I should add the rod with the ball joint at the bottom. Currently, that is not included.

Endoskeleton Foot Models.zip

Shared with Dropbox

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Endoskeleton Pistons.zip

Shared with Dropbox

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[Too Much Garlic]

Slowly working on fixing the eye model.

Found some videos showing the T1 and T2 endoskeletons. Though, the quality isn't the best. Do anyone know where I can find these in better quality? I'd love to see them.

Dropbox

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[Too Much Garlic]

Did the classic mistake. Worked on a model for hours without saving... and then the program crashed. Whoops.

 

[Fett_Ish]

Did the classic mistake. Worked on a model for hours without saving... and then the program crashed. Whoops.

Always enable autosave even if it only every hour. ive Been a professional 3D artist for 20+ years and still forget to save,though things are far more stable these days. When one is ‘in the groove” saving is for later!

 

[Too Much Garlic]

I get you. It's hard to just take a moment to hit save. Though, I think the autosave is activated, but it always kinda messes up the geometry when I try to reload it, so I usually just start from scratch.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Looking at the pistons again on the feet it is clear that the LFS pistons at the top of the foot are not identical to T2 SWS feet. I'll check whether it's the same with the T1 feet. The pistons on top of the foot on the originals are much more massive with a greater difference between the thinner center part of the piston and the width of the raised parts on each end. The second toe also does not seem to have the extra width change on the thinner part on the originals, so I'm not done with the feet yet. Since I do not have measurements off original feet pistons, I'll try to get as close as possible by using photos.

I always wondered why the first toe piston in this shot was so thick compared to the LFS kit... but having checked other reference of original props, it is clear this piece is the correct shape and the LFS kit is different.

Terminator 2: Judgment Day Terminator 2 Endoskeleton Pieces original movie prop

Various pieces of Terminator that were used in the Future war Screen at the start of the film that was aquired from Screen Used.

www.yourprops.com