SyFy's Heroes of Cosplay

Of course it does, and I have very little doubt that they are watching every Tuesday night in horror. It was all fun and play acting when they were filming, but now these episodes are airing as "reality TV" with them playing the role of the world's biggest *******.

That has got to be a kick to the gut when you realize that you've just taken part in your own defamation.


Now granted this is all pure speculation on my part, but it's based in what I think is a reasonable gleaning of the inside information we have gotten thus far. But if you want my candid opinion of the show, I think the characters you are seeing are more a reflection of the juvenile and idiotic producers rather than the performers. That's the ******** we should be directing our ire towards. They are the reason we get this and Face Off instead of quality shows on the hobby.

At the same time, I think there's such a thing as too much benefit of the doubt. Maybe this is the naivete, but if the producer tells you to say/do s***ty things for the camera, I have a hard time believing that there's any contract in the world that obligates you to misrepresent yourself on television. While I know now that the "narrative" the show creates is almost completely fabricated during the editing process, I still don't think the people on the show were powerless to do anything but play into it.
 
....Although I think it would be easier to re-edit the video to make it look like they were making out....!
 
They don't have to say the name of the show. Anything said publicly that gives away behind the scenes information can be used against them by the legal dept. Having been the subject of a reality show not too long ago, the network has their legalese very tightly wrapped up. They need to be very careful and discerning about what they say and what they give away. I guarantee you there was lengthy fine print that says what they can and can't do in technical legal language that they may not even be aware of. I read my contract (all 300 pages) fully before signing and I still have until May 2014 before I can talk about details of what happened when filming my show. I told my show's producers and the network that they could shut me up for a year, but they couldn't make me do any appearances, interviews or promotion for the show once I found out some 'truths' about what was going in the months before the show aired. We taped in July 2012 and it aired this past May. Thankfully it tanked and has disappeared into the abyss. But I still have to be careful of what I reveal.

I do plan on making a lengthier post with my POV but I'm still digesting all 19 pages of this thread.

I don't know if they can actually do anything. I mean she doesn't actually name the TV show and she isn't bashing it.
 
It depends on whether they felt they could stand up for themselves. The Directing Producer on my show hated me because I would flat out say "I'm not doing that" or "I'm not saying that", or "That's now how this works". I would literally stop camera and talk into my mike and tell them what I thought. He also hated my husband, my Dad and my Mom on the finale day b/c they refused to be fed lines by the Story Producer during the interview portions.

So it depends. Either the cast of HoC went along with what the producers said b/c they don't know any better and are too foolish to say no. Or they stood up for themselves and got edited in a bad way so the producers would get the ratings.

I got lucky on my show. The Exec Producer on my show 'protected' me and was heavily involved in the editing process so I wouldn't come off looking like a total *B*. Because believe me, it would have been easy to show me like that since I spent a lot of time telling the Directing Producer to get out of my face and leave me alone!! LOL


At the same time, I think there's such a thing as too much benefit of the doubt. Maybe this is the naivete, but if the producer tells you to say/do s***ty things for the camera, I have a hard time believing that there's any contract in the world that obligates you to misrepresent yourself on television. While I know now that the "narrative" the show creates is almost completely fabricated during the editing process, I still don't think the people on the show were powerless to do anything but play into it.
 
Good for you!!! :thumbsup


The Directing Producer on my show hated me because I would flat out say "I'm not doing that" or "I'm not saying that", or "That's now how this works". I would literally stop camera and talk into my mike and tell them what I thought. He also hated my husband, my Dad and my Mom on the finale day b/c they refused to be fed lines by the Story Producer during the interview portions.
 
ok watched the 4th episode last night..

Jessica was actually quite funny in that episode (before the whole feeling ill part) she seemed a little more confident in what she wanted to do and that suited her

Monika.. well, the mum thing wasn't anywhere near as bad as you guys were making out. She just said she wanted some peace and quiet. In other words she's really busy and just wanted to get on with it. Remember how this thing is edited.. they try to show the worst but that wasn't bad at all. Nothing I wouldn't say to my own mother if I was very busy and wanted to be left to it.

However, I'd be really interested to see what the real conversation with becky was because the way that was edited made that look REALLY harsh.. that said if it was true she didn't want to work with her, how could you turn her down without hurting her feelings? yes it's meant to be all about 'the fun' but you don't want to be brought down do you, especially when you're thinking about your career and the like.

So yeh. that seemed really harsh, but I don't think that's anywhere near the proper story there.

The one gripe I have that I wanted to mention is when they were looking at holly and jessica's costumes and yaya commented about them buying a bodysuit and said they could make one so why didn't they.. well, why should they?? it's a bodysuit! it's not a pre-made costume part so if it exists then why the hell wouldn't you just buy one? did they expect her to have made her underwear as well?

that seemed a bit ott and pointless to me /shrug
 
ok watched the 4th episode last night..

Jessica was actually quite funny in that episode (before the whole feeling ill part) she seemed a little more confident in what she wanted to do and that suited her

Monika.. well, the mum thing wasn't anywhere near as bad as you guys were making out. She just said she wanted some peace and quiet. In other words she's really busy and just wanted to get on with it. Remember how this thing is edited.. they try to show the worst but that wasn't bad at all. Nothing I wouldn't say to my own mother if I was very busy and wanted to be left to it.

However, I'd be really interested to see what the real conversation with becky was because the way that was edited made that look REALLY harsh.. that said if it was true she didn't want to work with her, how could you turn her down without hurting her feelings? yes it's meant to be all about 'the fun' but you don't want to be brought down do you, especially when you're thinking about your career and the like.

So yeh. that seemed really harsh, but I don't think that's anywhere near the proper story there.

The one gripe I have that I wanted to mention is when they were looking at holly and jessica's costumes and yaya commented about them buying a bodysuit and said they could make one so why didn't they.. well, why should they?? it's a bodysuit! it's not a pre-made costume part so if it exists then why the hell wouldn't you just buy one? did they expect her to have made her underwear as well?

that seemed a bit ott and pointless to me /shrug

Fair points.
However. To let someone down at anything in life I think to be civilised one could easily say something al9ng the lines of 'sorry I already have something planned' or 'sorry I havent decided what im doing yet so maybe another time' you dont have to be a complete d'bag about it. Some people think its ok to talk to others that way. I hate that attitude.

J

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Maybe this is the naivete, but if the producer tells you to say/do s***ty things for the camera, I have a hard time believing that there's any contract in the world that obligates you to misrepresent yourself on television. While I know now that the "narrative" the show creates is almost completely fabricated during the editing process, I still don't think the people on the show were powerless to do anything but play into it.


The key problem with what you just said is that you are assuming that the performers have the same perspective as you. Instead what you've got are a bunch of kids that dress in costumes and play a character for fun who are being asked to play a character on TV for pay (otherwise known as a dream job). They get into the moment playing with their friends and vamping for the camera with no thought of what the end product is.

I'm led to believe this primarily because of Monika and the brazen cruelty of what she said. She couldn't have been more theatrically villainous if she were twirling a mustache and stroking a white cat.

You also have to keep in mind that when this was filmed the producers were their friends paying them a lot of money to act on camera. For a bunch of costume geeks that's a pretty big opportunity and a hell of a ride. Very easy to lose your perspective under those circumstances.

Again, I have to preface that this is all speculation on my part based on past experiences and that I don't actually know anyone on this show or what really went on. This is just the picture I have pieced together from the evidence available.
 
Are we absolutely sure the cast was paid?

I was not paid for appearing on my show.

I wondered this myself. No doubt a contract. But I wondered if they got actual payment as in cash. Or accepted the promotional aspect as payment. Tv can highly boost your popularity. On a channel where most of the viewers are into what you have to offer.

They all seemed to have other things involved. Constant name dropping of their online shop. Or products for sale. Or wanting an internship. Marketing galore!

J

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They don't have to say the name of the show. Anything said publicly that gives away behind the scenes information can be used against them by the legal dept. Having been the subject of a reality show not too long ago, the network has their legalese very tightly wrapped up. They need to be very careful and discerning about what they say and what they give away. I guarantee you there was lengthy fine print that says what they can and can't do in technical legal language that they may not even be aware of. I read my contract (all 300 pages) fully before signing and I still have until May 2014 before I can talk about details of what happened when filming my show. I told my show's producers and the network that they could shut me up for a year, but they couldn't make me do any appearances, interviews or promotion for the show once I found out some 'truths' about what was going in the months before the show aired. We taped in July 2012 and it aired this past May. Thankfully it tanked and has disappeared into the abyss. But I still have to be careful of what I reveal.

I do plan on making a lengthier post with my POV but I'm still digesting all 19 pages of this thread.

While I don't doubt that the contract may have said XYZ about how you can comport yourself in public following the show (e.g., non-disclosure language and such), there's sort of three things to consider.

First, one of the simple truths about contracts is that, if someone wants to breach it...they're gonna breach it. I tell this to clients not infrequently, particularly when they ask me to write an "ironclad" contract. There's no such thing. If they breach, they breach, and then the question becomes whether (A) you have the will to enforce the contract, and (B) whether the contract is written in such a way as to ALLOW you to enforce it.

Second, the devil is in the details as far as whether you'd actually breach the contract by saying this or that, including HOW you say it. It depends on what you say, and also on how the contract is worded specifically. Like, it might say you're flat-out prohibited from making disparaging comments about the show. But that'd call into question whether saying "So the show was edited so that I came across as saying XYZ, but in fact, the way I feel is ABC." Is that a disparaging remark? I mean, it's not like you're saying "Those lying sonsofb****es edited me to say XYZ! The show is a total scam!" It's simply contradicting what the show depicts (actually, what the show implies BY depiction), which isn't necessarily the same thing as disparaging. So, Yaya saying "We're buds in real life! It's all cool and I really respect her work, regardless of how it may appear on camera," may not be a breach. On the other hand, if they word it to say that you ALSO won't do anything to contradict or undermine the depiction of the show, or act in a way that might be detrimental to ratings, that's a different story. There's also the question of enforceability. Even if the contract says "You must also give us your firstborn male child and commit seppuku live on camera if you breach" that doesn't mean that the clause is enforceable. However...

Third, perhaps the saddest truth about contract law (once you get past the "if they wanna breach, they're gonna breach" thing) is that you still have to have the means to fight a legal battle. The 800lb gorilla is still an 800lb gorilla, no matter what the contract says. Unless you get an attorney who'll work for free, it's gonna cost money -- lots of it -- to defend in court against NBC/Universal or their subsidiaries. So, even if you're right, even if you're safe under the contract, just getting to a point where you can file a motion that'd get the case tossed out is gonna cost a fair bit of coin. And THAT is where the law gives way to practicality.

Now, in all likelihood, I wouldn't expect NBC/Uni to actually try to sue Yaya and/or Jessica for damages...because realistically they don't have the kind of deep pockets that'd make the lawsuit worthwhile. (Old legal aphorism: "You can't get blood from a stone.") But they could easily rattle sabres to get them to pull the video, and perhaps get a gag order from a court that'd shut them up and stop them from making similar future statements, the violation of which WOULD result in serious freakin' penalties (which they still wouldn't be able to pay, but that's not really the point).




Anyway, the behind the scenes stuff about these kinds of shows is not surprising, but somethign that I wish WAS made more public, if only in the hopes that it'd make people tune out. On the other hand, everyone knows that WWE wrestling is fake, and they still enjoy the show.

Hmm. Actually, there's a pretty apt comparison there... "Reality" shows are about as "real" as WWE wrestling is. The action itself is real (if somewhat choreographed), but the "drama" is all made up.
 
That Nigri chick looks annoying as ****. I was flipping through the channels the other day and every single show was some 'reality' series. Enough already!
 
That Nigri chick looks annoying as ****. I was flipping through the channels the other day and every single show was some 'reality' series. Enough already!

Jessica can be a bit nutty but she's hugely down to earth 'in real life'. Not met her in person but from what I've seen she looks like a really nice person to be around (ignoring how hot she is for the moment)

Cosplay in America INTERVIEW : Jessica Nigri - YouTube
 
I know I didn't get paid! :)

Thought they did make my contest stage look nicer and provided cash prizes. I hope no one is expecting that next year.

Scott
 
I know I didn't get paid! :)

Thought they did make my contest stage look nicer and provided cash prizes. I hope no one is expecting that next year.

Scott

So following reality tv trend we should expect a greater money prize next year and an even more elaborate stage!? Can't wait to see a Tupac inspired stage hologram with your likeness next year!!
 
I'm sure of one thing; the producers of the show are high-fiveing, fist-bumping and popping champagne over all the hoopla, good or bad! Remember, in media "Every Knock Is a Boost" and "I Don't Care What You Say About Me, Just Spell My Name Right".
 
SuperFLY said:
The one gripe I have that I wanted to mention is when they were looking at holly and jessica's costumes and yaya commented about them buying a bodysuit and said they could make one so why didn't they.. well, why should they?? it's a bodysuit! it's not a pre-made costume part so if it exists then why the hell wouldn't you just buy one? did they expect her to have made her underwear as well?

I totally agree! I thought that was really stupid. She might as well start taking off points for not producing their own RTV they used for molds, not cutting the cotton and spinning it into threads for their costume, making the foam for armor, etc. You can get totally ridiculous after a while. I can see taking off points if someone came in with a store bought costume, but if 90% of your costume was made by you, that should be good.
 
I'm with you on this. After hearing Tata comment about the body suit my thought was "Where does it stop?" Should the Tank Girl costume be disqualified because she didn't forge her helmet herself or knit her own knee high sock? It's obvious she didn't cobble her own boots, so she's out.

::rolls eyes::

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Finally saw the latest episode. So much about contests and the last minute scramble. Not much about the joy of the craft. The show is really butchering why most of us are in this hobby... it's sad because it might keep people from wanting to 'play' with us. :(

I agree about the body suit. If I can buy something premade, BONUS! It lets me spend more time on the original pieces I must make from scratch. But again, that is part of what helps make costuming fun - not having to make stupid, simple stuff and getting to focus on the incredibly difficult and original pieces. But, as a judge, you get to make up the rules as to why you give points here or there - it is subjective and when you enter contests you have to accept that... Which is why I prefer making costumes for fun first and personal satisfaction and not being distraught that you didn't get validation by someone else's subjective opinion and criteria.

Sluis - 'not cutting the cotton and spinning it into threads' hahahaha! "Did you cut down the rubber tree yourself, or buy it from a store?"

I will say this - I was pretty jazzed to see Yaya using craft foam. :D
 
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