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SW Acolyte in a tail spin
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TazMan2000
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It's Star Wars, so I'll watch it just for that reason. Most likely I will never re-watch it. It wasn't bad. It showed the Jedi, with all their powers can make mistakes like anyone else. I'm thinking Disney needs to take these mini-series in a different direction. Perhaps a new series with Rogue Squadron. The Jedi stuff being forefront is getting old.
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cboath
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Got interesting in the end, then it ended...pfft. qimir is becoming very interesting...osha a bit less. This at least gave slightly better plausibilty for a quick fall, but still, no real anger til the end then boom, turned. Vernestra is either badly written or acted or both. Its like watching a badly acted vulcan painted green. Loved the hype for the light whip and it gets used a whopping 1 time.
I said earlier they said this would be told from the sith perspective...they got there in the last 15 minutes. Not exaxtly a story told from the sith perspective then is it?
Interested in seeing more of qimir and traing etc....not interested in seeing anymorw of these jedi...only sol was worth a damn. He was very good. The rest, including the green meanie, you could have grabbed a bunch of costumed fans from a con and got performances close to what we got. Again, cant say if that was the writing, direction, acring, or combo. The bones here at the end are good, but it needs a big remodel.
I said earlier they said this would be told from the sith perspective...they got there in the last 15 minutes. Not exaxtly a story told from the sith perspective then is it?
Interested in seeing more of qimir and traing etc....not interested in seeing anymorw of these jedi...only sol was worth a damn. He was very good. The rest, including the green meanie, you could have grabbed a bunch of costumed fans from a con and got performances close to what we got. Again, cant say if that was the writing, direction, acring, or combo. The bones here at the end are good, but it needs a big remodel.
I think the entire way they make these shows needs to change. The 30 minute format does not work well for these types of stories. It will always feel odd taking a 4 hour movie and cutting it into 30 minute sections.
The Yoda of 1980-83 would not have said/did several things that he did in the prequels. The character was shifted somewhat as the story got more filled-in and George needed different things from him. And frankly, it's more realistic to have Yoda be a bit more fallible than he was in ESB.
Look at it this way: Yoda must have been giving Luke "a certain POV" of the Force on Dagobah.
Yoda had to cram a decade of training into a few weeks/months - to call that a quick-n-dirty crash course would be an understatement. It was only possible because Luke was an exceptional talent + Yoda went in knowing Luke's personal strengths & weaknesses + Yoda had a even clearer picture of the adversaries that Luke was about to face.
In ESB Luke was "reckless". But he needed to have a high level of emotional discipline to handle Vader & Palpatine. He needed to have more emotional self-control than his father had after a decade of regular Jedi training. If Luke failed at that one challenge then literally everything else was a waste of time. It would have weighed HEAVILY on Yoda's mind.
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Throwing a Jedi under the bus for the greater good of the order…I mean didn’t Clone Wars already do this with the Jedi Who Knew Too Much arc?
Agreed. Honestly, I think the worst thing about it are the actors playing young Osha and Mae, but I'm not about to go on a tirade about how my childhood has been ruined.
I will say I do want the replica Cortosis helmet Hasbro is releasing. I don't know how anyone can look at a Sith headbutting a lightsaber and not think "Holy crap, that's badass.", but to each their own.
Joek3rr
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TCW has shades of that throughout. But once Dave had a free hand, he went all out.
rocketeer25
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Sorry, in the Star Wars I've loved since I saw the originals in the theaters, the Jedi are the good guys and the Sith are evil. Now with all the moral relativism of our time we can't stand to have good guys any more. We watch the Sith groom a young girl and are expected to root for them. Sorry, its not happening.... I watched until the end because I had to find out how this was going to end, but I really hope this garbage dies with S1
I would not make a season 2 but continue the story in a video game or comic book.
Joek3rr
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And the real kicker. That was literally George's intention with the OT. He wanted to counter the cynicism and negativity of the films in the 70s. He complained that kids didn't have the Western anymore. Where the good guy wore a white hat and the bad guy a black hat. And you knew who was who.
I don't even bother posting much anymore due to this. Everything turns into a war zone.
cboath
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I would like to see a s2...provided they dont treat the jedimthey show as abject morons with little to no clue about how to a jedi....i get theres supposedly a downfall...but they have 100 years left. There isnt much farther that they can screw up after that.
Bloop
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Well, how did Anakin fall into that black-and-white, good-and-evil premise? As Vader, he was "evil," yet Luke sensed the "good" in him. And Luke has anger in him that could've led him to the Dark Side if he let it.
And what about Lucas's prequels? More conflict regarding Anakin's motivations - I'd also argue that Padme was also not on the side of pure "good," since, when Anakin told her he killed ALL the Sandpeople - including the women and children - she just gave him a hug and ignored his act of vengeful genocide. The prequels also had the political machinations that showed the rise of Palpatine from a beloved leader to "evil" dictator - hardly a simple good-and-evil character. He may have been "evil" all along, but these are stories that are different from, say, Flash Gordon and the evil villany of Ming the Merciless, which were an inspiration for Lucas.
I understand the morailty of the OT and even the prequels may seem more clear on good vs evil, but there's still moral conflicts at it's core that drive the story.
universaljoint
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I was pleasantly surprised at this series. While too many shows have nonsensical dialogue, I found very little wasn't too the point and related directly to the story. And it was a story that had some genuine twists that I didn't see coming. Only a few were predictable. One spoiled here from a poster was unfortunate and ruined a reveal.
The flashback ep bored me for the most part except for the parts ramping up towards the end. And the second last ep repeated a lot of that ep from another perspective that was too similar to the first. So that kind of bored me. But overall, I really enjoyed this. Even the twins weren't as annoying as I expected them to be... I hate anything twins in TV. I don't know why. Could have been worse though. They could have been gingers.
As far as this being a mystery, they did a FAR better job that Andor, that bored the hell out of me with what, two-three eps in a forest talking about a heist, and three eps of Andor staring up at a guard house while learning to make things faster and faster. I love political intrigue, spy, dialogue drive movies and I had huge expectations for Andor that fell hard into a steaming pile of garbage. I hope season 2 is better. But I digress.
The Acolyte Season 1 was pretty solid.
I didn't like their ship designs though... They bored me greatly.
The flashback ep bored me for the most part except for the parts ramping up towards the end. And the second last ep repeated a lot of that ep from another perspective that was too similar to the first. So that kind of bored me. But overall, I really enjoyed this. Even the twins weren't as annoying as I expected them to be... I hate anything twins in TV. I don't know why. Could have been worse though. They could have been gingers.
As far as this being a mystery, they did a FAR better job that Andor, that bored the hell out of me with what, two-three eps in a forest talking about a heist, and three eps of Andor staring up at a guard house while learning to make things faster and faster. I love political intrigue, spy, dialogue drive movies and I had huge expectations for Andor that fell hard into a steaming pile of garbage. I hope season 2 is better. But I digress.
The Acolyte Season 1 was pretty solid.
I didn't like their ship designs though... They bored me greatly.
NakedMoleRat
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Luke was pushed to the edge when Leia was threatened. He went full barge on Vader, cutting his hand off, bearing him down.
But he got to that precipice and pulled himself back. He realized what he’d done and where it was leading.
But I’ve always asserted that he was a ‘grey’ Jedi. He used force choke on the guards at Jabba’s palace.
Heck, he killed almost everyone in Jabba’s palace for not turning over his bestie, when Jabba had a legal right to him.
Even George showed us a flawed Jedi, who gets redeemed by his own conscience.
I think todays problem is quantity over quality.
We spent 4 billion on this, crank out product.
George was thoughtful in who worked with him, from directors to scoring. They shared his vision.
But he got to that precipice and pulled himself back. He realized what he’d done and where it was leading.
But I’ve always asserted that he was a ‘grey’ Jedi. He used force choke on the guards at Jabba’s palace.
Heck, he killed almost everyone in Jabba’s palace for not turning over his bestie, when Jabba had a legal right to him.
Even George showed us a flawed Jedi, who gets redeemed by his own conscience.
I think todays problem is quantity over quality.
We spent 4 billion on this, crank out product.
George was thoughtful in who worked with him, from directors to scoring. They shared his vision.
jts1031
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Even in my younger days, I always had this head-canon that a Jedi couldn't beat a Sith unless they tapped in to their emotions/dark side a bit. That's how Luke beat Vader. It was kinda how Obi-Wan beat Maul. We never really saw a Jedi straight up win against a Sith without tapping that emotional side until Obi-Wan beat Anakin in Revenge of the Sith.
All that is why I didn’t even flinch when Luke turned his saber on at Ben for a moment.
After all he went through with friends vs Vader, then stands over Kylo, sees his future (screams… maybe even Han’s death… maybe the planets exploding) and for one second turned on the blade…
I mean the last time he saw the future it was Han and Leia being tortured and it was true. Spent 3 years and killed a lot of people to get Han back…
It never bumped. It’s weird it’s such a thing that even typing this I’m like “is this gonna cause a creepy uncle thread?”
NakedMoleRat
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Interesting perspective. I never looked at it from that point of view. I appreciate you sharing this.
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