Stranger Things (Netflix)

It took me a while to work up interest in watching this season. I feel like it’s one of those things that, once it runs out of steam, it’s hard to pick back up. That being said, I did binge it over two days once I finally got around to doing it, and finished the season around 3 AM.

I honestly cannot see where people are calling this season a “return to form”, “the best since season one”, or even “the best season”. Sincerely. The show has always managed to hit its emotional beats—it’s one of the main reasons I think the show has run as long as it has. But this had far more in common with season three than the first two seasons. Barring the Pittsburgh episode, which I hardly think counts because you can skip it and not miss anything, season two has been my favorite so far. The way the characters were deepened, their relationships changed, everything. Moreover, it felt like a natural, planned continuation of season one.

Seasons three and four, in my eyes, do two things: hit you over the head hard with direct comparisons to their source material, and retcon major plot points and previous narratives to fit the new directions of the show. I mean, I thought the “new Coke vs. Coke is like the original Thing From Another World vs. John Carpenter’s The Thing” was unsubtle, but the direct comparison to Freddy Krueger? Really? As if anyone wouldn’t get that the dude with the jacked-up face and the long fingers who haunts teens and then kills them in a dreamlike state wasn’t an obvious nod to Nightmare on Elm Street?

Again, I’m not bashing this season or last season (that much). But the narrative—the actual plot events—as well as some of the characters has gotten very muddled. I mean, you build up Jonathan and Nancy for three seasons and then turn him into a deadbeat stoner and split them up? I mean, they sort of already did something similar by making Hopper too silly and bumbling in season three, what with the fixation on Magnum PI and stuff like that, but still.

Like I said, the emotional moments still hit. Watching Eddy die was hard. It sucked. Watching Max…have whatever it is that ultimately happened to her was too. And there were other moments in this seasons I felt were great. Erica, for the first time, felt distinctly funny and likable. Max’s story was great, just killer. Watching Hopper and Eleven reunite made me tear up just as bad as the finale to season three. Murray was fantastic—he just seems to get better and better. But this was in no way a “well-written return to form” for the show.

I mean, retconning everything so that there would be a human (or more easily personified) antagonist responsible for everything? It felt cheap. The whole season I sat there watching Vecna Krueger do his little teen killing spree wondering “how the hell does this tie in to the other seasons?” And the answer ultimately was “it doesn’t, so we’re just going to retcon them”. I was also getting major Phantom Menace vibes with the “everybody’s got to be doing something during the finale so we’ll give them all a part to play”. This was all I could think over during some of these segments.
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I would have been glad that there was a planned final season regardless of whether or not I felt this season hit the narrative points needed, but now I’m very glad, because I feel it’s clear that the show runners, while still capable with the interpersonal writing and hitting those heartstrings just right, have lost the thread on the overall plot, if there ever was one.
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Thank you! I had not seen much mention of this but I thought the same exact thing! There were brief little moments and facial expressions throughout the season where he reminded me so much of a young RDJ.

I was really wondering if he took inspiration from young RDJ!
 
Finally finished watching S4 just now. Best season yet.

Superbly written except for just a couple of tny points, many a couple of little dialog oopsies—
• Eddie would absolutely not know what “unambiguous” means.
• Dustin would be highly unlikely to know the word “prosaic.”
• Will would be highly unlikely to understand what “on the nose” means.

Those are the only little gaffes that took me out of the narrative for a moment, because it sounded more like the writers’ voices than the characters’. But overall, that’s pretty trivial stuff.

Also:

What happened to Paul Reiser? That whole thread with Dr. Owens and the Army just kinda dropped off the edge of the Earth.

All in all, though, I was absolutely floored. Some of the “surprises,“ like Eddie’s fate, weren’t surprising, but that didn’t really bother me.

What impressed me most, though, was Millie Bobby Brown. That was an Emmy-level performance. She has really come into her own as an actress.

Can’t wait for the final season!
 
Waited till I could binge the entire thing in one hit, today was the lucky day. Truly magnificent. It was soul enriching to see crafted story telling and delivery can still exist in an age of to actual trash. Disney Star Wars, Marvel and Nu Trek are not worthy to wash the feet of the creative energy of this. It may be the Jameson's whiskey speaking at this point but this had Tolkien themes running from start till finish. Bravo.
 
I agree. It far surpasses the legacy properties that have been plagued with deconstructed narratives and subpar concepts. Bravo Duffer Brothers, cast, and crew! This season was just phenomenal. Finally a show worth raving about. I really hope they release the entire series on bluray because it's a necessary one to add to my library. One I'll happily revisit over and over.
 
Finally caught up tonight.

Near leapt out my chair and shouted "He's got the fkn Atlantean!". Scared the crap out the wife and she had no idea what I was talking about. Can't believe we aren't discussing that more on a prop forum!

Yeah, monologues and containment tanks, this whole show is a tribute to early 80s stuff. Season 1 was essentially a mash up of Alien and E.T. Thats how it was back then.

As a massive Metallica fan, Puppets was awesome, but can't help but think that Ride the Lightning, Fight Fire with Fire or Battery would have fit better. From a lyrical stand point, as Puppets is a song about drug addiction, those others are about facing certain death or hitting something head on full force, and all time appropriate.

But thoroughly enjoyed the season, can't wait for more.
 
I think they used Master of Puppets, besides being awesome, because Eddie and Dustin (and the others in the mission) were becoming the puppeteers by luring the bats and trying to make Vecna go along with their plan. I would have loved anything though (except St. Anger...). BTW, they said that was actually Robert Trujillo's son playing the song in that scene.
 
I think they used Master of Puppets, besides being awesome, because Eddie and Dustin (and the others in the mission) were becoming the puppeteers by luring the bats and trying to make Vecna go along with their plan. I would have loved anything though (except St. Anger...). BTW, they said that was actually Robert Trujillo's son playing the song in that scene.
 
Near leapt out my chair and shouted "He's got the fkn Atlantean!". Scared the crap out the wife and she had no idea what I was talking about. Can't believe we aren't discussing that more on a prop forum!

Yep. In Hopper's head as he picked up Conan's sword, he silently prayed: "Crom, I have never prayed to you before. I have no tongue for it. No one, not even you, will remember if we were good men or bad. Why we fought, or why we died. All that matters is that one man stood against a demogorgan. That's what's important! Valor pleases you, Crom... so grant me one request. Grant me revenge! And if you do not listen, then to HELL with you!" And Crom looked down upon Hopper in that moment and said, "You got a lot of spunk, kid. I grant you your request. Give it hell, Jim!" XD
 
Cute, but I’m sure they got paid, and plenty. Remember in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, when Wonka says “Good morning, starshine, the Earth says hello?” The guy who wrote Hair got $30k for that one line.
The meme makes it quite clear that the fictional character in the TV show did not pay for the rights before using the song to save the world.
In fact it was probably this event that ultimately set Lars on his litigious quest against Napster.
 
The meme makes it quite clear that the fictional character in the TV show did not pay for the rights before using the song to save the world.
In fact it was probably this event that ultimately set Lars on his litigious quest against Napster.
I’m quite confident that, fictional or no, such a performance would constitute fair use. :p
 
I really enjoyed S4. On the whole, I felt like it was a good continuation of what they'd built in the previous season and was a reasonable progression. Expanding the universe to more places than Hawkins was ultimately necessary. Likewise, killing off (and killing off?) certain characters was also necessary. I do wish that Jason had perhaps had a bit more of a comeuppance, but in the end, he and his crew of morons were kind of disposable. Of the story threads introduced in this season, the "Satanic Panic" stuff is probably my least favorite, mostly because I felt like it didn't really end up mattering a ton other than to provide some mild tension mid-season with Eddie on the run and getting very "'MEMBA THIS?!" about the phenomenon in the mid-80s.

It introduced some minor complications (Oh no! A town-wide curfew!) but it still felt sort of shoehorned in, considering the role it ultimately played. And then, like, a hellmouth LITERALLY opens up in the center of Hawkins, so I guess the Satanic Panic was vindicated (in the minds of the panicked, anyway)?

But ultimately, Jason and their crew just felt...disposable. His fight with Dustin didn't have any real impact or stakes to it, because he never directly threatened Max, and if he'd killed her...what then? Wouldn't that have actually stopped Henry? Deprived of a victim, wouldn't he have had to regroup and find someone else? I dunno. It just felt like that part of the story didn't "fit" with the rest of it. Might also have to do with the delay between the release of the season portions, which I expect were filmed all at once, but post production took longer for the more f/x-heavy back end.

I'm curious where they're going to go with several threads that they also introduced this season:

1. The nature of Mike and El's relationship. A big point this season was how Mike didn't say he loved El, which we're later given to understand is because he's afraid "she won't need him." (Side note: yikes. Co-dependency may be common in teenage relationships, but still...someone needing you ought not be the basis of your relationship.) I gather we're also meant to understand that he thinks through that and realizes it's not about being needed in the end? I dunno. That part felt a little...off to me.

2. The love triangle between Jonathan, Nancy, and Steve. I was kinda hoping they'd decisively wrap up one end of that triangle (Jonathan/Nancy) at the end of the season, but I guess not. Alternatively, maybe Steve's maturation process needs to also include letting go of Nancy. Jonathan felt like he was more pushed to the side this season, so I kinda care less what he wants. Plus there was that whole "Neither one of you seems to want to BE in this relationship, in a normal world, so what's the point?"

3. Will Victoria play more of a role in the upcoming season? They'd better not "Barb" her. She's adorable.

4. What is going on with the government in-fighting? That was definitely left hanging. Kinda wondering if this isn't part of the setup for the spinoff show the Duffer Bros. want to run.

5. Holy crap I hope that Will can confess his feelings and his rather obvious homosexuality to Mike. If only to unburden himself and be able to move on to finding romance with someone else. Miserable, closeted Will is painful to watch. I mean, Noah Schnapp's performance is amazing, and him being closeted and miserable is certainly understandable in context (doubly so, given the time period), but boy is it rough to watch. I don't need him to actually find romance in the show (not everyone needs to be paired up happily by the end), but I do need him to not be stuck in this awful purgatory. Of course, the events of the finale (much like with Jonathan, Nancy, and Steve) will likely push all that to the side.

6. Finally, what of Max? Is she the vessel for Henry's return? Is she just psychically buried in her own mind? Is she truly dead and the body is just a hollow shell now? I'm leaning against "not" for that latter part, but we'll see.

Side note: About 2 weeks before the final two episodes dropped, I picked up a 1st edition hardcover copy of Stephen King's The Talisman from a local used book store. First time I've ever had the experience of buying what will likely be an "everyone wants these all of a sudden" item shortly before it gets hot (doubly so, considering the Duffers are in talks to adapt it for Netflix).
 
I hear you on the satanic panic but it is kind of difficult to ignore between the time period its set in and whats going on in the town.
But yeah, it didn't really go anywhere past leading up to breaking Max's walkman at the crucial moment.

I really enjoyed S4. On the whole, I felt like it was a good continuation of what they'd built in the previous season and was a reasonable progression. Expanding the universe to more places than Hawkins was ultimately necessary. Likewise, killing off (and killing off?) certain characters was also necessary. I do wish that Jason had perhaps had a bit more of a comeuppance, but in the end, he and his crew of morons were kind of disposable. Of the story threads introduced in this season, the "Satanic Panic" stuff is probably my least favorite, mostly because I felt like it didn't really end up mattering a ton other than to provide some mild tension mid-season with Eddie on the run and getting very "'MEMBA THIS?!" about the phenomenon in the mid-80s.

It introduced some minor complications (Oh no! A town-wide curfew!) but it still felt sort of shoehorned in, considering the role it ultimately played. And then, like, a hellmouth LITERALLY opens up in the center of Hawkins, so I guess the Satanic Panic was vindicated (in the minds of the panicked, anyway)?

But ultimately, Jason and their crew just felt...disposable. His fight with Dustin didn't have any real impact or stakes to it, because he never directly threatened Max, and if he'd killed her...what then? Wouldn't that have actually stopped Henry? Deprived of a victim, wouldn't he have had to regroup and find someone else? I dunno. It just felt like that part of the story didn't "fit" with the rest of it. Might also have to do with the delay between the release of the season portions, which I expect were filmed all at once, but post production took longer for the more f/x-heavy back end.

I'm curious where they're going to go with several threads that they also introduced this season:

1. The nature of Mike and El's relationship. A big point this season was how Mike didn't say he loved El, which we're later given to understand is because he's afraid "she won't need him." (Side note: yikes. Co-dependency may be common in teenage relationships, but still...someone needing you ought not be the basis of your relationship.) I gather we're also meant to understand that he thinks through that and realizes it's not about being needed in the end? I dunno. That part felt a little...off to me.

2. The love triangle between Jonathan, Nancy, and Steve. I was kinda hoping they'd decisively wrap up one end of that triangle (Jonathan/Nancy) at the end of the season, but I guess not. Alternatively, maybe Steve's maturation process needs to also include letting go of Nancy. Jonathan felt like he was more pushed to the side this season, so I kinda care less what he wants. Plus there was that whole "Neither one of you seems to want to BE in this relationship, in a normal world, so what's the point?"

3. Will Victoria play more of a role in the upcoming season? They'd better not "Barb" her. She's adorable.

4. What is going on with the government in-fighting? That was definitely left hanging. Kinda wondering if this isn't part of the setup for the spinoff show the Duffer Bros. want to run.

5. Holy crap I hope that Will can confess his feelings and his rather obvious homosexuality to Mike. If only to unburden himself and be able to move on to finding romance with someone else. Miserable, closeted Will is painful to watch. I mean, Noah Schnapp's performance is amazing, and him being closeted and miserable is certainly understandable in context (doubly so, given the time period), but boy is it rough to watch. I don't need him to actually find romance in the show (not everyone needs to be paired up happily by the end), but I do need him to not be stuck in this awful purgatory. Of course, the events of the finale (much like with Jonathan, Nancy, and Steve) will likely push all that to the side.

6. Finally, what of Max? Is she the vessel for Henry's return? Is she just psychically buried in her own mind? Is she truly dead and the body is just a hollow shell now? I'm leaning against "not" for that latter part, but we'll see.

Side note: About 2 weeks before the final two episodes dropped, I picked up a 1st edition hardcover copy of Stephen King's The Talisman from a local used book store. First time I've ever had the experience of buying what will likely be an "everyone wants these all of a sudden" item shortly before it gets hot (doubly so, considering the Duffers are in talks to adapt it for Netflix).
 
The Talisman is a good read. I read it about twenty years ago but I never did get to the sequel. I think where King tends to go off the rails Straub's contributions balance out Kings idiosyncrasies pretty nicely.

The performances by the young cast this season, especially the core group of friends from S1 only cements my faith in their talent. It was impressive enough to see a well crafted story about kids in S1 and the fact that each of them could genuinely act. By now their growth as actors really shines this season and I know each of them will go on to have enormously successful careers after the show has ended.

As for Mike's arc with El this season I don't think it was dependence in their relationship so much as Mike still being a nerdy kid in high school and recognizing that the cute girl with super powers could do better than him. If anything it was more an issue of him pushing her away as a defense mechanism to avoid getting hurt. If she did break things off then at least in his mind it would lessen the pain.

He never struck me as being needy. Far from it. He was always the leader of the group and the one who forged his own path to which others followed. I thought his arc, though more simple than the other characters this season, was very realistic. I think many people have experienced dating someone they felt was out of their league and often do stupid things to push them away to reinforce their personal insecurities, instead of recognizing their worth or value to the other person and respecting them enough to make up their own mind.

Unlike so many of the 1980s tropes where the nerdy kid wins the girl but has to sort of keep her in the dark to other options for romance for fear of losing her, Mike turns that idea on its head by building her up and believing in her as a person but he also doesnt prevent her from having male friendships either which could potentially take her away from him if she were to develop feelings for one of them. Frankly that's one of the most refreshing things about this show. Instead of Mike idealized El, he treats her like a normal person without talking down to her or making her feel like a freak of nature. He doesn't put her on a pedestal, despite his admiration for her either. He accepts her as she is, flaws and all. That's the type of person you want in your life romantically speaking.

I've been aware upon rewatching certain older movies how often there was this trope of men being somewhat controlling over letting their love interest being independent for fear they may lose their lady to a more viable option. While those stories can and do work this aspect hasn't aged well and inadvertently exposes an uncomfortable insecurity of the protagonist for being unintentionally misogynist.

Instead of being confident that despite their physical appearance or wealth, or strength, or sexual prowess, or intelligence perhaps not matching an ideal that the woman they love will still choose the nerdy guy, despite any perceived deficiencies. Sadly the men have to actively suppress any chance for the woman to meet other men who might be a better match for them, even if it's just when walking around in public.

It's an unfortunate flaw in the writing of some of these older stories but on the flipside one that modern stories have over corrected for too, which is how we end up with Mary Sue tropes that get equally exhausting. The ideal place is to be somewhere in the middle and thankfully Stranger Things handles this problem with excellent writing that paints the characters realistically.

Even the best romantic comedies know how to balance this problem. The nerdy guy trusts that his supermodel girlfriend loves him for his personality and that is enough to keep her from straying in the end. That shows maturity on both their parts because he's respecting her independence and she's choosing him of her own free will.

Hell, this is part of what made Eddie so loveable as a character too. He treated Chrissy as a person and not just as the hot cheerleader, which makes Jason that much more of a creep and his mission to avenge her feel so disengenuous. He may have loved her but its clear she couldnt go to him with her problems and suggests their relationship was fraught with shallowness, all while not having to expressedly state that.

Jason doesn't hate Eddie so much as he hates himself for not being there for his girlfriend and he's jealous that she had a male friend. Jason wasn't avenging Chrissy, he was projecting his failure to be there for her onto everyone else which is what made his death a relief for the audience and the protagonists. If anything he's the antithesis of Mike. While Eddie wasn't necessarily a romantic interest for Chrissy, it still showed his empathy as a character by being a true friend to her when she needed help.

This show excels at writing genuine friendships. Just one aspect among many that has propelled it to being one of my absolute favorites.
 
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The Talisman is a good read. I read it about twenty years ago but I never did get to the sequel. I think where King tends to go off the rails Straub's contributions balance out Kings idiosyncrasies pretty nicely.

The performances by the young cast this season, especially the core group of friends from S1 only cements my faith in their talent. It was impressive enough to see a well crafted story about kids in S1 and the fact that each of them could genuinely act. By now their growth as actors really shines this season and I know each of them will go on to have enormously successful careers.
It's a testament to their acting skills that nothing felt false in fact almost felt ad-lib at times which again makes you love these characters more and more..
Four Seasons down and not a duff(get it) episode or one that felt like a filler. Every sentence seems to either mean something to the gangs friendship or to propel the story along..
I think there might be more death on the cards to test the
Hell Fire Clubs metal.
 
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