Stolen Orhader ZentaiZentai

[MrMondu]

As a new member to the forum, I am so glad to see a thread like this. It's wonderfully informative for someone like me. I never bought a suit from ZentaiZentai simply because I thought they never looked as good as the suits members built collaboratively with the help of other members. Now I'm even happier having bought a print from members on here who created their own, and not supported a cruel website's attempt at increasing their own profits at the expense of someone else's work.
I'm not entirely sure of the legalities of such things, but could there* possibly be a way for members who have had their work stolen from ZentaiZentai to make a lawsuit claim?

 

[s2000]

i am also new to the forum as of today. and ive seen plenty of stolen patterns while searching for one to buy. ive believe credit should be given where its due. ive contacted spideyfox myself and im considering one of his prints

 

[Spideyfox]

As a new member to the forum, I am so glad to see a thread like this. It's wonderfully informative for someone like me. I never bought a suit from ZentaiZentai simply because I thought they never looked as good as the suits members built collaboratively with the help of other members. Now I'm even happier having bought a print from members on here who created their own, and not supported a cruel website's attempt at increasing their own profits at the expense of someone else's work.
I'm not entirely sure of the legalities of such things, but could there* possibly be a way for members who have had their work stolen from ZentaiZentai to make a lawsuit claim?

They could but they cant at the same time because of Marvels copyright

 

[velazquezn36]

Some dude on YouTube was praising their "work." It really upset me because I knew if I had said something about it, I would've gotten chewed out by trolls saying cheap is cheap. He did say in his video you get what you pay for, and that is right.

 

[The New Blood]

Oh my god it pisses me of to see how many people bought the stolen suit and claim to have bought it before they knew it was stolen. Bull ****. Everyone I see on this fb page have this stupid stolen suit. You deserve more credit @orhader

I made this rant video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJu4ssUMits

 

[Soulgypsy]

I'm not endorsing the stolen pattern just pointing out that pretty much everything has "copies". People buy fake brands that they know is fake but it doesn't screw the original company up. People built replica guitars made to look vintage and spend 1000 bucks when the actual vintage is 30,000. Fake Rolex watches, shoes, burned cd's. I would be mad if something was stollen from me but their are still people who want sub dyed jobs and will pay good money for the suit. Again I'm not endorsing just saying everything gets ripped off.

 

[TheNickFox]

I'm not endorsing the stolen pattern just pointing out that pretty much everything has "copies". People buy fake brands that they know is fake but it doesn't screw the original company up. People built replica guitars made to look vintage and spend 1000 bucks when the actual vintage is 30,000. Fake Rolex watches, shoes, burned cd's. I would be mad if something was stollen from me but their are still people who want sub dyed jobs and will pay good money for the suit. Again I'm not endorsing just saying everything gets ripped off.

You're not going to find ANY support here with that view.

The main thing wrong with your analogy is that a knockoff of an expensive good doesn't affect the market of the real goods because the price differential is so high. Nobody who can afford a real mulitple-thousand-dollar Louis Vuitton bag pays $100 for a fake. Whereas a person who is in the market for a $250 print would be likely to manually justify buying a $70 knockoff print. The price is just too close and so the markets overlap.

And "It happens" is NEVER a defense. Murder happens, and will ALWAYS happen. Does that mean we should accept it?

-Nick

 

[Soulgypsy]

I see your point and I agree with you. Maybe I was looking at it different. I'm a musician and paid thousands of dollars for college, a few thousand on equipment. Record for a few thousand. Sell cd for 8-10 bucks and people wanna burn the cd for friends. It's irritating. I can see why the original makers of these prints would be angry.

 

[jrenemtz321]

I've been defending Orhadar's prints on fb in Heroes for Hire. So many people jump through hopes to justify buying a stolen print. I'm also amazed how many people purchase a stolen print and then find the rpf a week later (and start a thread showing off their purchase).

 

[Wallack]

I saw the suit and was very tempted to buy it but came here to inform and found out that it was stolen.

Is there any real cheap alternative? it doesn't have to be as cheap as zentai zentai, that's obvious but, being from Europe makes things complicated in this way, the suit, plus lenses, plus send it to FoD, then find someone to put the pieces together, send it again ...

I think I'll just wait until a legitimate site or place to buy it appears. Hope it does soon!

 

[dungparker]

Zentai zentai said pattern can be easily purchased on internet , and any designer can make it

 

[Wallack]

The thing is, if you buy directly the pattern and print it using zentai-zentai you are still legitimating a thief even if their prices are really good. Is there other any cheap alternative?

 

[jrenemtz321]

It depends what you consider cheap. You can print at FOD for about 125, and if you sew the suit yourself, that's not an excessive amount of money. Legit dye subs will always be somewhat costly.

You can always check the junkyard for used suits, though. Buying used can save time and a lot of money.

 

[Wallack]

It depends what you consider cheap. You can print at FOD for about 125, and if you sew the suit yourself, that's not an excessive amount of money. Legit dye subs will always be somewhat costly.

You can always check the junkyard for used suits, though. Buying used can save time and a lot of money.

So is buying the pattern, plus 125 for FOD plus shipping to somewhere to assemble it or does FOD assemble the costume? Buying it used is a problem because of the sies.

I wouldn't have any problem to buy the pattern and send it to FOD is everything that comes after, putting all the pieces together, plus lenses, plus invisible zips, plus adjusting everything to my size, is not that is cheaper is that is easier, that's the main problem I guess.

 

[jrenemtz321]

No, FOD won't assemble it. You'd have to send it to a seamstress, and that would add to the cost. There are members who offer sewing services on here (check the junkyard). You'd also have to purchase or make lenses and attach them to the costume. You'd have to attach shoes as well. These would be necessary even if you bought a zentai that was already sewn.

Used costumes are really the way to go if you want it less expensive an hassle free. My first costumes were all purchased second hand, and I never had an issue.

 

[Wallack]

No, FOD won't assemble it. You'd have to send it to a seamstress, and that would add to the cost. There are members who offer sewing services on here (check the junkyard). You'd also have to purchase or make lenses and attach them to the costume. You'd have to attach shoes as well. These would be necessary even if you bought a zentai that was already sewn.

Used costumes are really the way to go if you want it less expensive an hassle free. My first costumes were all purchased second hand, and I never had an issue.

And where is a good place to find those second hand costumes? I the junkyard only found one available and is for 600$

I don't want to buy for the stolen site, but that's just me, but you have to understand that there is no other cheap alternative right now (not asking for something as cheap as zentai zentai, is just that from EU there is no cheap option).

 

[ShaunDark80]

Can I just say that I'm pretty shocked at the attitude some members have towards ZZ customers. By all means explain to them that here at the RPF we actively protect each others work, but please understand that most people on the planet are not aware of the RPF, and if they want a Spiderman suit, they'll just Google it, and buy the best one they can afford. For $65 I seriously doubt any of them would consider doing any kind or research to see if there are alternatives.

Now that some of those customers have arrived here, and from what I've seen, have not tried to defend ZZ. It would be nice to see them receive the respect they deserve for standing up and admitting their mistake of buying a stolen design.

As far as ZZ, can they not be targeted by CD/Marvel directly? If they are having to resort to stealing RPF members designs, then presumable, they have not purchased the rights from Marvel/DC to sell their IP in bulk?

As I understand it, both Marvel and DC have a kind of informal policy of ignoring the IP violations of Cosplayers, as it promotes their business, without denting their profits. We're basically an extension of their PR department. ZZ however, are profiting from that IP. Could the designers who have been affected by ZZ get together and write a letter to Marvel/DC and explain the situation? ZZ may be able to ignore us, but I'm pretty sure that Disney's legal department are pretty aggressive when it comes to copyright infringement.

I hope I have not offended anyone with this post. That was not my intent. I would just like to see the anger this theft has caused to be focused at the perpetrator, rather than their unwitting victims.[/h]

 

[jrenemtz321]

The thing is, the victims are often not unwitting. I've spoken with several new members and people on other forums / sites and most feel no hesitation buying a costume made from a stolen print. While the price is attractive, the end result is unethical and seems contradictory to the ideals of the rpf. I'm actually surprised mods allow threads showcasing stolen costumes to continue rather than shutting them down.

Wallack, you might consider checking ebay for complete costumes (though steer clear of colorsuits - another thief). You can also post a Want-to-buy thread in the junkyard.

 

[Super9637]

I forget who originally made the spiderman costume that made me greener than the hulk with envy, but when I saw it cost about $600 to make I thought "I can do better." I asked ZZ to make me the costume. They said no. They said they were not selling the suit anymore, and I would have to purchase the print from gunheaddesign.com and then they could make it a custom order. So I did. This was back in Sep of 2013 BTW.. got the costume 3 weeks late. Just about cried when I saw this horrible costume. Looked like a child put it together on his lunch break. So yeah, ZZ screwed up the zippers, size, pretty much everything. Red spider on the back shaped like a heart. Had black marker lines all over it. HORRIBLE. It clearly says in their return policy if they screw up, they will pay for return postage and give you a refund. "Chuck Johnson" will not adhere to ZZ's return policy and will give you every excuse as to not give you a refund. His actual words "fix it your damn self". Blamed it on me. Pretended to be a supervisor. I am still emailing back and forth with this guy and I will not stop until I get a refund.

I filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau. Filed a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission. Filed a complaint with the IC3. Tried to get arbitration/mediation for the matter and nobody would help. Filed a complaint with SOSA, Secure Online Shopping Association in China. Filed a complaint with the Consumers Foundation in China. Still no help. I wont rest until zentai-zentai goes down. Even if I have to fly to China and kick "Chuck Johnson" in his balls and take my $90 back. Had I known ahead of time that Chinese zentai makers like ZZ and Milanoo were this bad, I never would have placed an order with them. Even with the free alteration services, the shipping back to China and back to my house is outrageous.

ANYWHO... if I'm saying anything... printing from Fabric On Demand and getting a seamstress or tailor to sew it together for you would only be good and cheap if you personally knew a friend or were a tailor/seamstress yourself. I found a zentai maker in New York, but I think they might be based in China.. not sure. There has to be a zentai/superfan/secondskin maker here in the US. There has to be a cheaper way to make this costume. I love Orhadars prints and want to get the print on a zentai suit for cheap so I can spend more money on cool accessories. If they can do it for $65 in China, there has to be someone in the US who can do better. USA #1

 

[jrenemtz321]

It's very true the prices of printing and sewing can seem excessive, but like the saying goes, you get what you pay for.