Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Pre-release)
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Well by that definition I am a "new customer" too being born in 1981 (Raiders of the Lost Ark baby!!!). I grew up with Star Wars on television tapings on VHS back in the 1980's and 90's.
I'd imagine the title being something like Rise of the Resistance or something to that effect.
Or Death of Kybo Ren:
I'd imagine the title being something like Rise of the Resistance or something to that effect.
Or Death of Kybo Ren:
Waiting for Mike Zeroh to put his backwards rally cap back on and give us the next scoop.
He is, no doubt, feverishly finishing up the details regarding how his sources have leaked that “Bespin Ice Cream Maker Guy” retrieved the Graflex from the bowels of Bespin, and has been slowly executing an elaborate plot to drive everything that has transpired since the events of “The Empire Strikes Back”.
His motive: revenge.
The sudden evacuation of Cloud City, during the Imperial occupation, caused him to lose his precious batch of prize winning Bespin Carbon Frozen Sherbet Ice Cream that he tried so desperately to save. He has never forgiven the Skywalkers for this outrage and was consumed by the dark side of the force.
This is the true face of evil in the galaxy. Move over Snoke and Kylo...
He is, no doubt, feverishly finishing up the details regarding how his sources have leaked that “Bespin Ice Cream Maker Guy” retrieved the Graflex from the bowels of Bespin, and has been slowly executing an elaborate plot to drive everything that has transpired since the events of “The Empire Strikes Back”.
His motive: revenge.
The sudden evacuation of Cloud City, during the Imperial occupation, caused him to lose his precious batch of prize winning Bespin Carbon Frozen Sherbet Ice Cream that he tried so desperately to save. He has never forgiven the Skywalkers for this outrage and was consumed by the dark side of the force.
This is the true face of evil in the galaxy. Move over Snoke and Kylo...
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"And now I have let the dog out for a piss, I am going back to bed" - best new title yet!
patrickivan
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Ya know, he's going to use what you just wrote as a leaked information source....
He's an old dog and I'm getting to be an old man. These whippersnappers don't remember what it was like to have just three television channels and also have to wait at least three years between a films cinema release and it finally turning up at Xmas on the tele !!!!! ( Hell, when "Jaws" was first shown on British television, the streets were emptied!!!)
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I am just about to turn 61 myself-
the weirdest adjustment to this day and age is having a library full of all my favorite films which I can watch whenever I want- no longer waiting for a theater or an edited broadcast on network TV you had to schedule around to see.
I'm used to waiting- having these Star Wars films released in rapid fire gives them a rushed feeling, like they needed to sit back and ponder more before rolling the cameras
I'm not too far behind you Richard. Interestingly I made a list of all the sci fi films and series I wanted to rewatch , before, you know, I might never again and ended up with about 120. It is a bit weird to just be able to go a stick a DVD on and presto theres the movie "Just like that!!!" ( only Tommy Cooper fans will get that joke!).
Beginning with the B& W 50's/ 60's classic end I've watch "Them", "The Incredible Shrinking Man ," "Village of the Damned", "The Day the Earth caught Fire," cut between with later colour classics like "Forbidden Planet", "Fantastic Voyage ", ""2001", "CE3K", " Dark Star".
And you know what? Its been damn great fun!!!
G W Zipper
Sr Member
I'm with you there in my advancing age, along with (likely) many of us following this site. Looking forward to my impending dementia, where I'll get to see Star Wars for the first time, over and over again!
Cephus
Master Member
I can't help that, I hadn't been born yet
I didn't say you could. I was just pointing out that Disney isn't catering to the old school fans, they are catering to the people too young to know better.
Cephus
Master Member
But you grew up on the originals, your first contact with the Star Wars mythos wasn't the prequels or anything like that. You saw how it started, that was the "norm" for you. Podracing wasn't your thing.
Cephus
Master Member
We do that kind of thing all the time. It wasn't that long ago that we sat down and watched the entire Universal Monsters back catalog, starting with the original 1923 Hunchback of Notre Dame silent movie. I have a huge collection of black and white films and really don't get people who say "that's too old". And most of these movies, even ones made before I was born, are qualitatively better than a lot of movies coming out today. They just knew how to write and direct.
Axlotl
Master Member
I was one of those who wouldn't watch silent films when I was younger because they were "too old".
Then one day I watched the original "Phantom of the Opera" with Lon Chaney.
Wow! What a film! I think it may be one of the best movies ever made, and it doesn't even have sound!
I wasn't averse to black and white films as a kid, though. Bogie and Bacall were my jam, man.
Joek3rr
Master Member
So the Star Wars fandom has a caste system? I grew up, just like Psab Keel, watching Star Wars on VHS. I didn't see the prequels until much later on, when we borrowed the DVD's from a friend. I nearly wore my VHS's out, from watching them so much. I even watched the entire original trilogy in reverse!
Joek3rr
Master Member
I am completely and intentionally going off topic, but this, this is one of best things ever captured by a camera
cboath
Master Member
The 'new customers' are those i'd say born after '90, or maybe '99 even. Those around and who were fans when the only thing that existed was the OT. And quite honestly, i meant it as new people who they were going to get into the fandom through the ST and not really anyone prior to that, frankly.
I mean the trashed the OT connections for the most part. "who cares, give them crap lives, we're killing them all off anyhow" and gave the PT a throwaway line. Han/Luke/Leia have brought ILM/Disney more money than the new crew ever will, but they could be bothered to treat them with respect. Or so it appears.
I said after 8 and i'll say again, 9 can redeem 8. It's hard to completely rate the middle of a story without knowing the end.
Joek3rr
Master Member
I find it interesting how we see things completely opposite.
You see the original characters as being stomped upon. I see original characters being treated with utmost of respect. Just look at Han Solo. Inot ANH he's a unbelieving cynic, that dismisses the notion of an all controlling Force. But in TFA he's person to give our new characters their first history lesson about the Jedi and the Force. He's a believer now, he trusts the Force as he sacrifices himself in hopes of saving his son. That's big!
Also let's not forget that this isn't their (OT characters) story anymore. This is the next generations story. And if you are going to continue that story it can't be the old characters with their flowers, butterflies, and rainbows. This is Star WARS. War and conflict is front and center. Not only that but it's an opera, a romance, a fantasy, a myth. It's a story for 12 year-olds, about imperfect people, living in an imperfect world. It's a story that has been told over and over again, and will be continued to be told for generations to come.
Also, um, there's been more references to the Clone Wars and the fall of the Republic in these new films then there was in the original trilogy.
Cephus
Master Member
It feels like Disney is trying to reboot the entire Star Wars universe as their own. They've flushed all of the OT characters down the toilet, they're ignoring the PT (and that's a good thing), they got rid of the SW Extended Universe, now they want their own characters and their own franchise. The problem is, their franchise is a shallow and pale shadow of the original.
I was talking to an author friend of mine a couple of days ago and he pointed out some interesting things. Han/Luke/Leia all had their own specialties, they all had their own strengths and their own weaknesses and to overcome those weaknesses, they had to go through trials and tribulations to become better people. They had to follow Joseph Campbell's Hero's Journey. But when you look at Rey, she's a perfect combination of all three. She's an amazing warrior, she's an amazing pilot, she's an amazing mechanic and she never had to do anything on-screen to earn any of it. She's just a perfect Mary Sue that can't fail. This is especially absurd when you realize that between the second she first laid eyes on a light saber in TFA and the time she was kicking everyone's butt in TLJ, less than 10 days of overall story time had gone by. 10 days. Luke had to spend a ton of time training under a master and he still got his butt kicked by Vader the first time they met. Absolutely none of this is earned for Rey. It's all just given.
The same is true of Kylo Ren. He's a low-rent, whiny Vader clone. They're all just clones after all. But he goes from seeing Rey for the first time to betraying Snoke is less than 10 days. And he's supposed to have the same journey as Vader did, but he does it without any of the effort and in a fraction of the time. There's none of the payoff. Absolutely none. Disney copied the journey but threw away any weight that it had. It's all meaningless.
I don't think 9 can redeem 8 because Disney doesn't understand what has made their entire trilogy so far so bad, You can't fix what you can't comprehend. You can't fix Rey or Finn or Poe because we have no reason to care about any of them because it's all been handed to them on a silver platter by Darth Mouse. Not one thing that has happened in any of these movies has been earned. Not one. Rey didn't have to go running through the woods with a Muppet on her back to earn any of her expertise with the Force. She just had it. It's just magic. In fact, Luke, who was supposed to be her Yoda, walked away to sulk and she trained herself! I'll repeat that because it's just that stupid, she TRAINED HERSELF TO BE A JEDI! That's not possible! But that's the way Disney is doing it. And anyone who doesn't see how bad it all is, they neither understand Star Wars, nor basic storytelling. Because all of this is just crap.
Joek3rr
Master Member
Actually I think you'll find that Rey follows the Hero's Journey quite closely.
Rey starts in the known- Jakku
She receives a call to adventure- the Skywalker lightsaber literally calls to her
She refuses the call to adventure
She crosses the threshold and accepts the call when claims the lightsaber (some real Excalibur stuff going on here)
She then proceeds to the unknown meeting the mentor- the is the end of TFA
TLJ is all about challenges and temptations. Her challenges are not the same as Luke, her challenges have nothing to do with learning about the Force. Rather her challenges and temptations is learning who and what she is. She continually looks for parents, whether that be her literal parents or parental substitutes. Additionally she is looking for a hero to save the Resistance and the galaxy. She is even willing to take a Dark Side trip to find the answers. She searches in vain for someone, finally turning Ben Solo for help. Not realizing that SHE is the one that she is looking for.
And finally that brings us to the abyss. Which for Rey is moment Ben refuse come back to the light, and she is acknowledges and accepts that her parents were nobodies. (If they were her birth parents)
And speaking of the that scene between Ben and Rey. Where else have we seen something similar play out? (Give you a hint, it's not ATOC or ESB[I think I might have had a bit of a light bulb moment tonight
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