Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Pre-release)

[sztriki]

You know what would have been a cool new start to this Sequel Trilogy?

Several generations past the Skywalkers and this unknown girl named Rey finds Luke's/ Anakin's lightsaber while scavenging on some wasteland world near Bespin. Some exposition to set the tone would be necessary obviously but they could start totally fresh without having to worry about how to deal with incorporating Luke, Han and Leia directly into the story but make them all legends that Rey learns about along her journey.

In this way the time gap would preserve the OT's victory at Endor and allow the writers to better come up with a story about some unknown that will carry on their legacy of triumph over evil by using the iconography of this special lightsaber. They also wouldn't have to directly rely on having the OT cast being a constant presence.

I think a lot of hardcore fans would have been totally on board for that. I know I would have.

This. I keep saying that the bits I enjoy the most from TFA are up until Han shows up and after he dies. Nothing against the guy but those are the bits where the new characters can actually properly interact and do their stuff.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

hilarious

If only George could have made up his mind. First he's like, 'there's gonna be 9,' then he's says 12, then 9 again, then 6, then back to 9.

This may sound cynical, but George seemed done with the Star Wars universe after being chewed up by the fans for the prequels.

In terms of the timing, I think that suddenly reversing his public statements that there would be no episodes 7, 8, and 9–and writing the rough outlines for them and initiating preliminary conversations with Ford, Fisher, and Hamill—was to sweeten the deal for any potential buyer for Lucasfilm (Disney).

 

[sztriki]

This may sound cynical, but George seemed done with the Star Wars universe after being chewed up by the fans for the prequels.

In terms of the timing, I think that suddenly reversing his public statements that there would be no episodes 7, 8, and 9–and writing the rough outlines for them and initiating preliminary conversations with Ford, Fisher, and Hamill—was to sweeten the deal for any potential buyer for Lucasfilm (Disney).

Lucas' opinion and beliefs change with the wind. He keeps maintaining that "I always thought of this like this" every time he comes up with a new idea.

 

[Joek3rr]

This may sound cynical, but George seemed done with the Star Wars universe after being chewed up by the fans for the prequels.

In terms of the timing, I think that suddenly reversing his public statements that there would be no episodes 7, 8, and 9–and writing the rough outlines for them and initiating preliminary conversations with Ford, Fisher, and Hamill—was to sweeten the deal for any potential buyer for Lucasfilm (Disney).

Oh yeah, I'm sure George was getting tired of some of the fans making him into some sort of devil incarnate. (Now George is the savior, Kathleen is the devil, and Rian is the anti-******)

I just watched an old interview that Leonard Maltin did with George, from the early or mid 90's. And George tells him that after he's done writing 1-3, that's it Star Wars is done, and he doesn't have, and never had plans for anything else. However I saw news report from when ROTJ came out, and the news reporter says it's part 3 out of 9 part saga. And Mark said at Star Wars Celebration in 2013, I think, that he remembers George talking about doing 12 movies, then he cutting it down to 9.

So who knows what George was thinking.

Also interesting, in that interview with George. He said he wasn't sure he wanted to direct all three prequels. He thought he'd like to do Episode 1, but he wasn't sure about 2 and 3.

 

[Psab keel]

Star Wars' Adam Driver reflects on working on the trilogy

Star Wars Episode 9 will finally be with us in December this year, completing the Skywalker saga, and the cast have revealed that the final film in this trilogy will feel a little "looser", as the actors have been improvising on set.

"The way they've been shooting it right now is looser than it's been for the last two times," Oscar Isaac, who plays Resistance pilot Poe Dameron, said. "It does feel like a relief to get on set and feel like, 'Oh, we can try things'.

"It's a testament to JJ [Abrams] coming back and feeling confident. There's less pressure for it to be right. We just want to make a good movie and have a really good time while doing it."

I'm all for the people involved in the movie wanting to have fun while making it and for some improvisation if it improves a scene but I don't think that will bolster a lot of confidence for many fans who think they've missed the mark with the overall story.

Seems like the overall attitude they have had making this entire Sequel Trilogy has been pretty blase. I could very well be misinterpreting that quote but to my mind they don't care so much about the fans the way they seemed to when TFA launched.

 

[Solo4114]

You know what would have been a cool new start to this Sequel Trilogy?

Several generations past the Skywalkers and this unknown girl named Rey finds Luke's/ Anakin's lightsaber while scavenging on some wasteland world near Bespin. Some exposition to set the tone would be necessary obviously but they could start totally fresh without having to worry about how to deal with incorporating Luke, Han and Leia directly into the story but make them all legends that Rey learns about along her journey.

In this way the time gap would preserve the OT's victory at Endor and allow the writers to better come up with a story about some unknown that will carry on their legacy of triumph over evil by using the iconography of this special lightsaber. They also wouldn't have to directly rely on having the OT cast being a constant presence.

I think a lot of hardcore fans would have been totally on board for that. I know I would have.

That sounds familiar...

Lucas' opinion and beliefs change with the wind. He keeps maintaining that "I always thought of this like this" every time he comes up with a new idea.

I mean, on the one hand, it definitely does seem like BS when he says that. On the other, who knows how voluminous his notes and ideas are. For all we know, he did in fact dream up XYZ thing at one point in coming up with Star Wars, decided against it, decided to include it, decided against it again, decided to include it, Marcia said "That's dumb, George," and took it out in editing, and now he wishes he could add it back in, except he's quit and moved on.

What I think is more important is that...it doesn't really matter what he "always intended to do." I'd argue that his intentions are precisely part of the problem with both the SEs and the prequels. They don't jive with the original movies he made. Oh, you always intended to do XYZ? That's nice. But shoehorning it back into the film that you actually shot doesn't work now. Saying "But it's what I intended" doesn't make it fit any better.

 

[Joek3rr]

Star Wars' Adam Driver reflects on working on the trilogy

Star Wars Episode 9 will finally be with us in December this year, completing the Skywalker saga, and the cast have revealed that the final film in this trilogy will feel a little "looser", as the actors have been improvising on set.

"The way they've been shooting it right now is looser than it's been for the last two times," Oscar Isaac, who plays Resistance pilot Poe Dameron, said. "It does feel like a relief to get on set and feel like, 'Oh, we can try things'.

"It's a testament to JJ [Abrams] coming back and feeling confident. There's less pressure for it to be right. We just want to make a good movie and have a really good time while doing it."

I'm all for the people involved in the movie wanting to have fun while making it and for some improvisation if it improves a scene but I don't think that will bolster a lot of confidence for many fans who think they've missed the mark with the overall story.

Seems like the overall attitude they have had making this entire Sequel Trilogy has been pretty blase. I could very well be misinterpreting that quote but to my mind they don't care so much about the fans the way they seemed to when TFA launched.

I can tell you right now why the attitude changed. I remember hearing JJ say on numerous occasions saying that they wanted to make a film that the fans would enjoy, that they would love. I know some like to say that TLJ divided the fans. But the thing is fans were divided over TFA. TLJ just widened the division. Some hated TFA, some loved it, some thought it was okay, some thought it was meh. This leads to problem, how does Disney/Lucasfilm make a film for the fans now? Which group of fans to they make the next movie for? If they make a film for the one that love TFA, the one that hate are going to fall away even more. If they make a film for the fans that hated TFA, it's slap in the face to the fans that loved TFA. And you risk loosing that group for the other half.

So what can they do? Disney/Lucasfilm is facing a Kobayashi Maru scenario. It's a no win situation for then. No matter what they do, it's going to anger/upset one portion of the fandom.

 

[Halliwax]

Have Ezra show up in 9, go back in time
And stop the ST from happening

 

[Joek3rr]

Have Ezra show up in 9, go back in time
And stop the ST from happening

To what end? That would still upset fans.

 

[Halliwax]

To what end? That would still upset fans.

Not going there with you

 

[Joek3rr]

Not going there with you

I was meaning it to be a rethorical question anyways

 

[Potroclo]

Star Wars Episode 9 will finally be with us in December this year, completing the Skywalker saga, and the cast have revealed that the final film in this trilogy will feel a little "looser", as the actors have been improvising on set.

"The way they've been shooting it right now is looser than it's been for the last two times," Oscar Isaac, who plays Resistance pilot Poe Dameron, said. "It does feel like a relief to get on set and feel like, 'Oh, we can try things'.

"It's a testament to JJ [Abrams] coming back and feeling confident. There's less pressure for it to be right. We just want to make a good movie and have a really good time while doing it."

The following might seem unrelated, but Disney has just claimed the Vader fanfilm that youtuber recently made, which essentially means the guy dumped a lot of money into it for nothing, as Disney execs told him he couldn't monetize it, which I guess is fair, but now they go and claim the video, monetize it and pump all the add revenue from it...

Not that I even follow the channel but between one thing and the other, I might be inclined to suspect they've just dropped the "respect the fandom" thing and just went all out-"whatever, I do what I want" so... I can't even imagine what to expect from episode 9... maybe more salt?

 

[Psab keel]

I'm not much for fan films at all, but it comes as no surprise that Lucasfilm would try and take ownership (to some degree) of it considering it's popularity. The days of good will towards the fandom (fan film awards charity groups like 501st and Rebel Legion) which Lucas embraced as being a great way to promote good in the communities and bolster recognition of his films, seems to be sorely lacking under Kennedy.

It does make you wonder what that will mean for Star Wars 9 and the future films / shows. I don't suspect they will have much tolerance if there is another massive backlash against the movie or will they back pedal and try to appease fans?

Time will tell.

 

[PantheraGem]

Yes, this development will do wonders for the strained relations.

If only Gustav Holst were here.....

 

[russellsch]

All I know is, as of right now, I have NO intention of seeing Ep. IX

 

[Goldhawk]

Yes, what they did to that youtuber was shameful. If he went to the lengths of asking what would be allowed, leave him alone as long as he's following the rules. I had already made up my mind not to see Ep. 9, but now I'm debating any other Disney/Star Wars content. I'm happy with what I have from the old days, and the more Disney does the less it seems to work for anyone.

 

[Joek3rr]

Yes, what they did to that youtuber was shameful. If he went to the lengths of asking what would be allowed, leave him alone as long as he's following the rules. I had already made up my mind not to see Ep. 9, but now I'm debating any other Disney/Star Wars content. I'm happy with what I have from the old days, and the more Disney does the less it seems to work for anyone.

I understand it, he asked permission from Lucasfilm. Not Disney. And supposedly this is Disney claiming rights. And if look at the message sent by YouTube, it's over the use of the Imperial March.

And well the music doesn't belong to him. And he's not the only one who's had their videos marked. Film Score Media, was asked to take down scores to all the films. Though interestingly they didn't bother with the Battlefront 1 & 2 scores.

 

[PantheraGem]

Nobody cares joker.

Edit; George built up a lot of good will over the years by letting the fans really be a part of Star Wars. From what I understand, granting the fans leeway was a tradition he understood that Disney was going to continue. He knew that it was the fans who kept it alive through the dark years when Star Wars was barely a presence. It's now just another knife in his back.

 

[modelcitizen]

please define what an internet layperson means by "Claimed the Video".
some are making it sound like disney took his video, slapped disney's name on it and are now selling it. hogwash....

(insert Luke Skywalker " i care " gif here)

 

[Joek3rr]

Nobody cares joker.

Edit; George built up a lot of good will over the years by letting the fans really be a part of Star Wars. From what I understand, granting the fans leeway was a tradition he understood that Disney was going to continue. He knew that it was the fans who kept it alive through the dark years when Star Wars was barely a presence. It's now just another knife in his back.

If look at the screenshot he shows, there are several claimants including Warner/Chappell.