Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Pre-release)
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Egon Spengler
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Sadly, I doubt it because Yoda would have known.
JoMamma_Smurf
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Would he though? He didn't even know who Palpatine was and he worked with him for years. Yoda is dead. Is he stronger or weaker now? "The dark side clouds everything."
Oh my God...
I just woke up from a complete nightmare! Episode 8 had finally come out and I was in the theater watching it with my brother and nephews. We were pumped to see it. Anyway, the film begins, the music trumpets in, all is good... this movie is gonna be awesome!!! And as it goes on, little issues pop up from time to time. There’s Luke... sort of, and big tittied sea cow... okay, and Snoke hmmmmm. Overall, it wasn’t great but it still looked pretty good, but then, close to the end, Laura Dern is somehow commanding a Mon Calimari ship and she saves the day by jumping to lightspeed through this huge First Order ship!
Thank God it was only a nightmare.
Oh ****... this isn’t Hill Valley 1985 is it?
I just woke up from a complete nightmare! Episode 8 had finally come out and I was in the theater watching it with my brother and nephews. We were pumped to see it. Anyway, the film begins, the music trumpets in, all is good... this movie is gonna be awesome!!! And as it goes on, little issues pop up from time to time. There’s Luke... sort of, and big tittied sea cow... okay, and Snoke hmmmmm. Overall, it wasn’t great but it still looked pretty good, but then, close to the end, Laura Dern is somehow commanding a Mon Calimari ship and she saves the day by jumping to lightspeed through this huge First Order ship!
Thank God it was only a nightmare.
Oh ****... this isn’t Hill Valley 1985 is it?
The Brahma Bull
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Sorry pal, but this was true. This is what happened. That's how Star Wars died.
kalkamel
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Solo4114
Master Member
While in theory that would be a fun way to try and redeem the character it would ultimately leave a whole mess of continuity errors and beg the question why would Snoke make a clone of Luke in the first place if he was so hell bent on destroying the Jedi once and for all?
At this point it's just damage control. I've heard a rumor about Han, Luke and Leia but even if it turns out to be true it's still a bitter end to their legacy. For the saga films to have continued after Ep. 6 we know on some level that their defeat of the Empire would have to be undone by some new threat, at least on a level that would allow for a new story to unfold, as Solo4114 has argued and I agree with him on that point. I'm just disappointed with the way they chose to do it.
I still feel that there really isn't much more for Star Wars to say as a series and that they should have left well enough alone, but since it was inevitable that Disney was going to continue the Skywalker Saga, how I would have loved to see the Thrawn trilogy be the storyline of 7, 8, and 9. If they had altered a few key elements to account for the age of the original cast they could have pulled it off. Alas, to dream!
At this point it's just damage control. I've heard a rumor about Han, Luke and Leia but even if it turns out to be true it's still a bitter end to their legacy. For the saga films to have continued after Ep. 6 we know on some level that their defeat of the Empire would have to be undone by some new threat, at least on a level that would allow for a new story to unfold, as Solo4114 has argued and I agree with him on that point. I'm just disappointed with the way they chose to do it.
I still feel that there really isn't much more for Star Wars to say as a series and that they should have left well enough alone, but since it was inevitable that Disney was going to continue the Skywalker Saga, how I would have loved to see the Thrawn trilogy be the storyline of 7, 8, and 9. If they had altered a few key elements to account for the age of the original cast they could have pulled it off. Alas, to dream!
Well, we will have to see if it’s the next far-fetched “daily plot leak” claimed by Mike Zeroh. I don’t think he has pitched that one yet.
I like the ST more than many, not as much as some. But I feel anyone who 1) likes Star Wars and 2) knows anything about the demands of narrative storytelling and the development thereof... feel Disney shouldn't have pushed/LFL should have held firm that the Sequels take the time they need to come together. Lucas sold his company to Disney and gave them his story treatments in late 2012. If they had everything sorted out with where they wanted to go, the typical three-year span between films in the OT and PT means, yeah, I'd think we'd see Episode VII around Memorial Day weekend of 2015...
But the truth was there was no coherent vision for where they were going with Star Wars right out of the gate. It could be argued the degree to which they have that sorted by now. My take, from everything I've run across or sniffed out, is that they had a vision of what the whole post-ROTJ period looks like, in general... but didn't have a clear timeline of what to give us when. It makes sense that we'd start getting things pretty quickly after the sale, and it makes sense that we'd get something on the big screen in 2015. I just feel like it shouldn't have been TFA.
Filmed the ST? Sure. Pragmatically, Harrison, Carrie, and Mark weren't getting any younger. But maybe hold onto the raw footage and give us the Aftermath Trilogy and Shattered Empire and Battlefront II and Resistance and a few other things before dropping TFA on us. Use that time also to better determine what happens in which film and how many the story will take.
robn1
Master Member
I think you're all missing the finer point of the article. The real reason the films are doing so poorly is because they just aren't very good, they've been mediocre to terrible (Rogue One being the exception, it was pretty good IMO). But the shill media won't ever admit it, so this article is making the excuse that it's the frequency of films that are the problem. Which is a soft way of laying blame on the fans by implying that we're suffering "Star Wars fatigue", instead of the hack-fraud creative team behind it all.
oblagon
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For me the new SJWars actually rekindled my interest in the OT. But I agree with you on the future of the franchise; Disney seems to be doing everything they can to remove the fun and escapism from the series.
DARTH ANIBAL
Sr Member
Actually, I think it's clearly making the point that the frequency and shorter production times are detrimental to the franchise in that they're not allowing sufficient time to properly flesh out and fine tune these stories before the next chapter is in full swing. I loved VIII, but I agree that it shouldn't have been almost completely written by the time VII was just premiering.
Axlotl
Master Member
I still can't believe they didn't have a complete outline for a 3 movie story arc before they started filming the first one.
That was a really careless and reckless decision to make on such a hugely popular franchise.
I also can't believe that no one at those initial roundtable discussions brought up the fact that Star Wars is a fairy tale, and reminded everyone that fairy tales are what Disney does best. Man, they sure dropped that ball...
The impression I get is that no one over there has even the slightest clue what they're doing.
They hired the popular kids to renovate the house and they burned it to the ground.
That was a really careless and reckless decision to make on such a hugely popular franchise.
I also can't believe that no one at those initial roundtable discussions brought up the fact that Star Wars is a fairy tale, and reminded everyone that fairy tales are what Disney does best. Man, they sure dropped that ball...
The impression I get is that no one over there has even the slightest clue what they're doing.
They hired the popular kids to renovate the house and they burned it to the ground.
Cephus
Master Member
It's why you see so many movies where the Hollywood elite reviewers love it but the audience hates it. It's because the reviewers are operating on ideology and the audience is just there to see a good movie. It isn't Star Wars fatigue, it's "these movies suck". Rogue One wasn't a very good movie. In comparison to the rest of the Star Wars drek that's come out it was better, certainly it is the only one that I've even come close to enjoying, but taken by itself, it really isn't that good. It isn't a traditional Star Wars movie. None of them are. But Hollywood is desperate to save their own skin so they want to blame everyone but themselves. They're just making bad movies. That's all there is to it.
Cephus
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But I really don't think that's it. You can put out good movies relatively quickly, you just have to be making a good movie in the first place. Most of Hollywood doesn't have a clue what a good movie is anymore. They want to make movies with themes that appeal to a particular political demographic, then throw in a ton of absurd references to actual good movies to remind everyone else that they're supposed to be nostalgic. These movies have to be good on their own and they're just not. There is nothing in the plots that is worth watching, I don't care if they took 10 years to make it. The whole concept is terrible. Rey is an absurd feminist Mary-Sue. Kylo is a discount Darth Vader with a childish attitude. The people making Star Wars today have no clue how to tell a compelling story, much less how to make worthwhile characters because that means that their heroes would have to have faults and they can't have that! It might hurt someone's feelings!
It seems so obvious to me but it's fairly simple. Pick a theme. Create characters to illustrate that theme. Then structure a plot that will challenge the characters in such a way that will further illustrate that theme.
It's one thing to reference other movies too, but that has to be done with some tact. Often using a reversal to pay homage to a movie or even combining elements from other films, otherwise you are just copying verbatim. For example:
C-3PO is a humanoid looking robot which is similar in design to the robot from Metropolis, but male instead of female. He is also mirrored off of one of the peasants in Akira Kurasawa's The Hidden Fortress. In this way subconsciously he is familiar even though he was new in 1977.
Also certain shots can be filmed in a similar way, or even blocked to look just like a shot from an older movie so subconsciously they appear familiar. It's one of the techniques George used on the first film that helped make it such a massive hit.
It all comes down to the script. If the story sucks, the movie will suck.
It's one thing to reference other movies too, but that has to be done with some tact. Often using a reversal to pay homage to a movie or even combining elements from other films, otherwise you are just copying verbatim. For example:
C-3PO is a humanoid looking robot which is similar in design to the robot from Metropolis, but male instead of female. He is also mirrored off of one of the peasants in Akira Kurasawa's The Hidden Fortress. In this way subconsciously he is familiar even though he was new in 1977.
Also certain shots can be filmed in a similar way, or even blocked to look just like a shot from an older movie so subconsciously they appear familiar. It's one of the techniques George used on the first film that helped make it such a massive hit.
It all comes down to the script. If the story sucks, the movie will suck.
Jaitea
Master Member
The worst thing they did was to bring back an Empire-like bad side,....inc updated Stormtroopers, TIE fighters etc,...I remember when the announcement was made that they were to continue the saga, & we were just in shock & excitement of the news, I posted a comment on how I hoped it could go:
Because the OT drew on our own recent history, with the Empire striking resemblances with WWII Germany,...& the Rebels being a group of allied forces, I was hoping that a new enemy in the ST would have been one of those old allies, much like the USSR, perhaps the Mon Cal or Bothans,
Sadly the ST set off on the wrong foot, it had to be just like what we already knew
J
Because the OT drew on our own recent history, with the Empire striking resemblances with WWII Germany,...& the Rebels being a group of allied forces, I was hoping that a new enemy in the ST would have been one of those old allies, much like the USSR, perhaps the Mon Cal or Bothans,
Sadly the ST set off on the wrong foot, it had to be just like what we already knew
J
THIS!!! ALL THIS! I had so wanted to see allies now the enemy, just like in real life!
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