Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Pre-release)

[Joek3rr]

Palpatine may have been meant to be the villain for the entire original 9 part saga, but George got weary of Star Wars and wrapped it up in ROTJ. That's it, the villain is dead and the story is over. Another trilogy is fine but it now needs a new threat, which is what we got with Kylo Ben and Snoke. But Ruin Johnson perverted expectations and killed off the big bad in the second act.

This is bad story telling.

And it backed Jar Jar into a corner, no big bad to kill so bringing this mess to a satisfying ending is more difficult. And Jar Jar doesn't normally do satisfying endings anyway (just ask his wife ). So he pulled resurrected Palpy out of his ass just to have a baddie for part 3.

Which is also bad story telling.

JJ and Lawrence tossed the idea around at the beginning. This isn't a new idea.

 

[Joek3rr]

Of course you do, I would expect nothing less. Let me update you on what happened. He is DEAD. Anakin/Darth Vader KILLED him. Bad story telling is being so devoid of original thinking that you have to retcon a conclusion that has been praised and accepted for over THREE DECADES either because you have absolutely no plan (Jar Jar has been exposed by Trevorrow for coming up with this idea after he was dragged back in) or you have to prop up an existing black hole of a character by undermining existing ones, or both.

So just because a fell down a long shaft, he's dead?

And as I told robn1 this isn't a new idea. George had the idea way back when. Before he trimmed the saga (temporarily) down to 6 films. Heck it was either George that pitched the idea or approved of the idea for Palpatine returning in Dark Empire comic.

 

[Psab keel]

You can't blame George for Disney's choices.

Yeah. He's dead. If you fall many stories typically you die. Bringing Maul back with spider legs is moronic too.

George also didn't have anything to do with the old EU.

As far as death goes in a story it has to have some sort of consequences or it means nothing.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

So just because a fell down a long shaft, he's dead?

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I have added this to my “Rules For Star Wars Cinema”, and rules for life in general.

You can’t kill someone by throwing them down a long shaft or cliff; they will always return.

All these supposed tragic stories I keep reading about people falling backwards off of cliffs while taking selfies; their families should stop their mourning. Why, I’m sure the person that they thought was long gone will be walking back through the front door any minute.

“No one’s ever REALLY gone...”

 

[Psab keel]

Your responses always kill me ALLEY!

I mean you can write anything into a script but it doesn't mean it's always a good idea, even if it's a beloved character. No matter how interesting the idea, it has to make some sort of sense. It shouldn't be in the story just because it's sounds cool. It should be in service to the story. It's the difference between good writing and amateur writing. The sad part is that this stuff is coming from professionals.

 

[gedmac66]

I’m not familiar with the who/what or how of Mauls’ resurrection , but how’d he not bleed to death after such a devastating injury ? And please don’t say the wound was cauterised !

 

[Joek3rr]

You can't blame George for Disney's choices.

Yeah. He's dead. If you fall many stories typically you die. Bringing Maul back with spider legs is moronic too.

George also didn't have anything to do with the old EU.

As far as death goes in a story it has to have some sort of consequences or it means nothing.

This wasn't Disney's choice. It was George's decision to have the saga continue. That's why he brought on Kathy. That's why he sold to Disney. That iswhy he hired Michael Arndt to write episode 7 before he sold to Disney.

"The original idea for Dark Empire revolved around the Empire using an impostor in Darth Vader's armor (or a replica of it) to use as a continuing symbol of fear to help force far-flung worlds into obedience. George Lucas personally shot down this concept, and instead directed them to bring back the Emperor through cloning. It is unclear whether Lucas suggested the concept himself or merely approved it when pitched; Veitch has made conflicting comments regarding this."

 

[sztriki]

JJ and Lawrence tossed the idea around at the beginning. This isn't a new idea.
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And George also had the idea to make Luke into a girl in ANH. If he turns out to be a trans in TROS that’s justified then...
Also if Han turns out to be alive because he was a gilled alien as George’s original idea only he was wearing a Harrison Ford mask then that makes sense too...
And if C3PO turns out to have orchestrated the entire saga just to get his hands on the fastest ship in the galaxy therefore every owner of the Falcon has to die because the original idea was that 3PO is like a smarmy used car salesman that also falls into place...
Ideas come and go, that’s why story discussion and script rewrites take place. Unless you’re George writing the prequels or Rian writing TLJ.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

I’m not familiar with the who/what or how of Mauls’ resurrection , but how’d he not bleed to death after such a devastating injury ? And please don’t say the wound was cauterised !

And there are, no doubt, vital organs and part of his life-dependent circulatory system that were just severed from the rest of his body...

Cut a human being in half, whether the wound is cauterized or not, and let’s see how long they last...

Not to be indelicate, but how does waste leave the body of this biomechanical nightmare? How does he eat food at all? Does he have a stomach, partial kidneys, liver?

Yeah, I know, the EU explanation is that since he is part of the “scary tattooed horned-head species” he has no vital organs and all waste is excreted as steam out of his ears, nose, and mouth (I can only imagine what that breath must smell like).

Whatever...his life support system is based solely upon the most awesome colossal power in the “Star Wars Universe”...the power of plot holes.

 

[jhazard]

Maybe it was bad idea. But you got to put the blame on George. He's the one that wanted there to be a 7-9, but have someone else do them.

So you agree, it's bad? . Sure, I'll blame George too.

Blame who you like. The outcome is the same.

The story told was Disney's choice, ultimately.

They were under zero obligation to do anything with the new trilogy, and even George was butt hurt they didn't use the outlines he sold them.

 

[ConvergencePro]

Maybe it was bad idea. But you got to put the blame on George. He's the one that wanted there to be a 7-9, but have someone else do them.

No, DISNEY wanted there to be a 7-9 because they knew folks much like yourself will always want more StarWars regardless of the inherent quality put into it, and thats exactly what they did; took advantage of your inherent life long love and investment in something and made poorly engineered product because they knew it would sell with the StarWars brand label alone. George has no real blame in this, and I feel it unfair and well... bizarre that people are now attempting to pull him into this as if he shares some blame because of a base idea that was altered 40 years ago
I get it, I really do because I used to defend Starwars like you do back until George started tinkering with the OT in the 04 DVD release, and I’ll never tell you you shouldn’t like these movies because I think its great you’re still able to find enjoyment in them. But for the betterment of film, writing and storytelling in general I will 100% call them out on ******** everytime I see it being put on plate and attempted to be served to me. I dont ask for a lot, but dont serve me brisket while telling me its prime rib..

 

[Psab keel]

Bad ideas are bad ideas, no matter who they come from. Assigning blame is kind of moot at this point though. These things exist. If you love it, I'm genuinely happy for you. I just happen to set my standards a bit higher and expect more from my favorite stories. So I'll just stick to what I love and try to ignore the rest. Though I do have fun making fun of it. It's really getting hard to take it seriously at this point.

Maybe inside Maul's spider legs are colostomy bags.

The fact that fans embraced his return just to see more of him makes me laugh.

 

[sztriki]

The fact that fans embraced his return just to see more of him makes me laugh.

That’s really unfair of you I mean he was a fantastic character in TPM, why would you not want to see more of him?

 

[jhazard]

No one is ever really gone, in Star Wars.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

No one is ever really gone, in Star Wars.

Even Han Solo (a non-jedi) could come back, if the offer of money to Harrison Ford is high enough....er, I mean, if the quality of the writing and the “truth of the story”, is such that Han’s place within that “truth”, is integral and clearly defined (I love it when actor’s say that kind of stuff). If all those things are sufficient enough to merit Harrison Ford’s interest, Han could always return.

Yeah, that’s the ticket—quality above all else. It’s not like you could write a script with characters swinging through a jungle with monkeys, like Tarzan, and expect an actor to sign-up for the job.

I mean, pragmatically, they did also toss Han Solo down a shaft so he could also always come back riding on a set of robotic tarantula legs, right?

Shafts and “Star Wars” are like “Star Trek” and Genesis devices....always leaving a door open for a possible return.

 

[ConvergencePro]

Oh god there really is gonna be a Han Solo force ghost in this isnt there

Also JJ’s “Ace up the sleeve ” as it were very clearly seems to be hinging entirely on the “Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen” line. Which is both smart and a hack job because you can literally use it for the remainder of time to bring Palpatine back
Maybe in the next “Skywalker” trilogy he’ll just be a head attached giant robotic body or some crap

 

[David3]

Its not the ideas that are the problem, or who lives and dies in Star Wars, its the writing, directing and editing those ideas so they don't insult the intelligence of the audience. Of course Luke tosses aside Anakin's lightsaber its a Jedi and yougling killer! (that called to Rey, that should tell ya somethin') Of course Palpatine didn't die, he's a powerful Sith lord, for force sake! Controlling his fall from a great height is force powers 101. Once Vader turned he knew he couldn't defeat both Luke and Vader together.
As much as I've bitched about ep8 I'm hoping Disney has got the message from fans not to stuff this up. If they can make a great Star Wars movie like Rogue One then there's good reason to think they can do the same for TROS and make all that bs in the last movie make sense.
Despite the uninspiring trailers, I live in hope.

 

[Mr Webber]

So just because a fell down a long shaft, he's dead?

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And as I told robn1 this isn't a new idea. George had the idea way back when. Before he trimmed the saga (temporarily) down to 6 films. Heck it was either George that pitched the idea or approved of the idea for Palpatine returning in Dark Empire comic.

Yeah he fell down a long shaft, DIED, let off a shock wave and to just to finish it off, the structure he fell in to was VAPORIZED and if any large pieces were left behind, which is shown clearly not happening, they crashed into a MOONS SURFACE. How many more ways do you need to see a cat skinned? Your first reply was basically Jar Jars explanation verbatim and now you come back trying to drag Lucas in to it with pure guess work about a comic no less. LOL.

 

[Jaitea]

The sad thing is its just basically adjusting the Classic Trilogy to fit into their panic money grab....no matter how much it tarnishes the greatness of what everyone loves

Don't go to see this crap, it's insulting

J

 

[David3]

It is insulting.. but unfortunately i'll still go see it, if just to look for moments like we saw with Luke and R2 in the last movie.