Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Pre-release)

[Jaitea]

It is insulting.. but unfortunately i'll still go see it, if just to look for moments like we saw with Luke and R2 in the last movie.

Can I ask you something, do you think you could wait a week or so, just to judge reactions?

I walked blindly into The Last Jedi screening on opening day with my two kids, to be greeted by Rian Johnston waiting to kick me in the nuts.....

I'll never make that mistake again

J

 

[David3]

Yeah, I could, but always better to go with your own judgement. Star Wars is quite a phenomenon and what it means to me isn't necessarily what it means to the majority of fans. If that means the hit to the balls scratches that itch I had (like Bond in Casino Royal) then so be it.

 

[ConvergencePro]

So how mad you guys gonna be when Rey defeats Palpatine and there’s a giant blue spiritual explosion just like in ROTJ when he dies? I fully expect JJ to be so unimaginative as to literally reuse this effect in the climax of the film, though probably 10x bigger because JJ
TBH I wish I had a Tom Servo and Crow T Robot to bring with me to the theater

 

[jhazard]

I won't be mad at all. TLJ killed the story for me, 110%. I'm not interested in the story.

I'm just curious to see what he makes the characters endure - I don't care why or what happens. I cannot be disappointed, or surprised. I know it can't be tied up nicely because it's already been trashed. I just want to see some tie fighters, spaceships and lightsabers (engaged on godawful choreography).

The Skywalker Saga concluded in ROTJ. For me anyhow.

 

[Psab keel]

I guess for some it may be a sense of loyalty to the idea, if not so much a love for this new trilogy. It's sad that the obligation is what is motivating you to see it rather than because you are genuinely excited to see the finale. I mean, I don't blame anyone in the least for that. It's just a sad state of affairs.

For those who are still in, whether you love this or hate it, I admire your dedication.

I bowed out two years ago and I don't think there is anything they could do to bring me back. I should have figured this out years before then, but alas, here I am. I really wish I could walk away completely, and just shut up about the whole thing. It's just difficult to say goodbye when you've loved a story like this for so long.

Star Wars is never REALLY gone......

Kill it if I have to.....

I am interested to see what people think of this story, because if it's anything like I've heard, there will be a LOT of angry fans. Maybe not to the extent of 8 angry, but it's not going to win many people back into the fold. Not by a long shot.

 

[David3]

I think i actually bowed out with the prequels. Hey look, no judgement its just if Han, Chewie, Leia and Luke, and the Falcon, (yeah, Obi Wan too) weren't in it it was just a fun space movie.. that's just me, old school, OT Star Wars.

For me I'm over the whole disney star wars thing now. Thanks to threads like this I've had a gripe and can move on. I'll see it when it comes out but if JJ goes for the nuts I won't even care. I'm there for ***** and giggles now, which means i'll see it just once and not ten times like I would if it was any good.

I haven't lost heart though, Star Wars is bigger than Disney. They may have bought the rights but they don't own it. We the fans own it, we make it what it is. We really say what's canon and what isn't.
There's lots of non Disney Star Wars out there to enjoy so Star Wars isn't dead, it lives through the fans. We see that in all the books and graphic novels (and increadible concept work btw by artists we see in 'the art of' books that were disapointingly overlooked for more banal versions. Geez.. ripped off) and some of the amazing fan episodes on youtube. They might be short and made on a budget by rebel fan scum but they're far more starwarsy, with more heart and soul, than million dollar movie empire knockoffs.

 

[sztriki]

Just rewatched this during breakfast cuz there was nothing on telly. 40:19 onwards, it’s amazing how much they got right (well except planning out the series of course). And this is before TFA was released mind you.

 

[BTTUK]

So how mad you guys gonna be when Rey defeats Palpatine and there’s a giant blue spiritual explosion just like in ROTJ when he dies? I fully expect JJ to be so unimaginative as to literally reuse this effect in the climax of the film, though probably 10x bigger because JJ
TBH I wish I had a Tom Servo and Crow T Robot to bring with me to the theater

Won't be mad in the slightest. At the end of the day, there's nothing stopping me or anyone else, just shrugging my shoulders, say "okay", then go home to load my xbox and pressing play on my OT downloads.

 

[BTTUK]

I’m not familiar with the who/what or how of Mauls’ resurrection , but how’d he not bleed to death after such a devastating injury ? And please don’t say the wound was cauterised !

Humans in real life can survive devastating injuries. I've seen blokes survive horrific blast injuries etc, and others die in seconds from single wounds. It may be a stretch in Maul's case, but it's not impossible in some regards.

Soldier blown apart by war stages stirring comeback

So much of Joseph Grabianowski is gone, lost to war.

www.usatoday.com

 

[The Terminator]

Some of the people in charge really do seem to be, pretty damn….. clueless(yes, lets use that, seems nicer than, some other, possibly more appropriate colorful metaphors).

"It's dead, Jim."

 

[Joek3rr]

Yeah he fell down a long shaft, DIED, let off a shock wave and to just to finish it off, the structure he fell in to was VAPORIZED and if any large pieces were left behind, which is shown clearly not happening, they crashed into a MOONS SURFACE. How many more ways do you need to see a cat skinned? Your first reply was basically Jar Jars explanation verbatim and now you come back trying to drag Lucas in to it with pure guess work about a comic no less. LOL.

And?

The guy was had limbs cut off, burned, electrocuted, "died", his body cremated, and yet. Here he is!

 

[Psab keel]

That's not even remotely the same thing.

 

[cboath]

Clearly someone doesn't get it at all.

 

[Joek3rr]

That's not even remotely the same thing.

In a universe where ghosts, spirits, and specters exist, how is this not similar?

 

[Psab keel]

There is a world of difference between a character physically surviving a devastating fall after suffering catastrophic injury and a ghost.

If there wasn't then death has no meaning in this story. If death has no meaning in this story then every conflict we see is robbed of all its dramatic tension, therefore it can't be taken seriously because we know it's just a matter of time before they return.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

I hope that some parties in this discussion are not just trying to win the gold medal in their own personal Contrarian Olympics, and disagreeing with every legitimate criticism regarding bad writing, plot holes, and inconsistencies of logic related to the Sequel Trilogy.

If the current creative guidance for “Star Wars” is that nothing needs to make sense, because it’s a “space fantasy”, then I’m not even remotely interested.

That’s the kind of “Star Wars” universe my friends and I created when I was 7 years old and playing in the backyard; giving action figures abilities that they never had in the movies and creating situations that had no logical relation to reality:

“Hoth Luke Skywalker can fly now and use The Force to shoot laser beams from his eyeballs like Superman!”

“Bespin Han Solo can duel Darth Vader with a lightsaber too now!”

“Look, I put C3-PO’s head on Zuckess...now C3-PO can fight! And, look...I put Han’s head on C3-PO’s body; now Han is a robot!”

“Let’s pretend that the Emperor didn’t die in the last movie and lives in the Ewok Village playset!”

“Endor Princess Leia can breath and fly in space now without a spaceship!” Oh, wait a minute...there’s something very familiar about that.

Did one of my 7 year old friends have a hand in writing TLJ?

 

[Psab keel]

Which is why the argument:

"It's space fantasy, you just don't like having fun!"

Is total garbage. If you can't have a reasoned stance in a discussion forum then it begs the question why you participate at all.

It just dismisses all forms of discourse and frankly is insulting. You might as well call me an idiot.

 

[ThreadSketch]

I hope that some parties in this discussion are not just trying to win the gold medal in their own personal Contrarian Olympics, and disagreeing with every legitimate criticism regarding bad writing, plot holes, and inconsistencies of logic related to the Sequel Trilogy.

If the current creative guidance for “Star Wars” is that nothing needs to make sense, because it’s a “space fantasy”, then I’m not even remotely interested.

That’s the kind of “Star Wars” universe my friends and I created when I was 7 years old and playing in the backyard, giving action figures abilities that they never had in the movies and creating situations that had no logical relation to reality:

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“Hoth Luke Skywalker can fly now and use The Force to shoot laser beams from his eyeballs like Superman!”

“Bespin Han Solo can duel Darth Vader with a lightsaber too now!”

“Look, I put C3-PO’s head on Zuckess...now C3-PO can fight! And, look...I put Han’s head on C3-PO’s body; now Han is a robot!”

“Let’s pretend that the Emperor didn’t die in the last movie and lives in the Ewok Village playset!”

“Endor Princess Leia can breath and fly in space now without a spaceship!” Oh, wait a minute...there’s something very familiar about that.

Did one of my 7 year old friends have a hand in writing TLJ?

It's the kind of Star Wars universe created in The Glove of Darth Vader series.

FRICKIN' LASER BEAMS.

 

[Psab keel]

"It's a story for 12 year olds."

Is another lame argument used to dissuade any reasonable thought and is often used to justify bad writing.

It also mocks the intelligence of 12 year olds. They may be kids but not all of them are morons.

Just be honest. If you like it and you can't articulate why, but you just enjoy it, then say so. At least I can get behind that and say I'm happy you are getting something out of this.
Creating elaborate defenses that make no logical sense and then shoving off people who dislike it by saying, "you're just a hater" is the way children settle disputes.

I'd like to think we as a Fandom are more evolved than that.

 

[sztriki]

I hope that some parties in this discussion are not just trying to win the gold medal in their own personal Contrarian Olympics, and disagreeing with every legitimate criticism regarding bad writing, plot holes, and inconsistencies of logic related to the Sequel Trilogy.

If the current creative guidance for “Star Wars” is that nothing needs to make sense, because it’s a “space fantasy”, then I’m not even remotely interested.

That’s the kind of “Star Wars” universe my friends and I created when I was 7 years old and playing in the backyard, giving action figures abilities that they never had in the movies and creating situations that had no logical relation to reality:

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“Hoth Luke Skywalker can fly now and use The Force to shoot laser beams from his eyeballs like Superman!”

“Bespin Han Solo can duel Darth Vader with a lightsaber too now!”

“Look, I put C3-PO’s head on Zuckess...now C3-PO can fight! And, look...I put Han’s head on C3-PO’s body; now Han is a robot!”

“Let’s pretend that the Emperor didn’t die in the last movie and lives in the Ewok Village playset!”

“Endor Princess Leia can breath and fly in space now without a spaceship!” Oh, wait a minute...there’s something very familiar about that.

Did one of my 7 year old friends have a hand in writing TLJ?

This post deserves a gold medal.

It's the kind of Star Wars universe created in The Glove of Darth Vader series.

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FRICKIN' LASER BEAMS.

Ah ffs, I read all those rubish junior jedi books when I was like 10 cuz they were the only SW books in the local library...my brain has not been the same since...

To be completely fair btw we still don’t know what is going to happen in TROS (please don’t quote me leaks and whatnot, I still wanna give it a chance to surprise me and leaks are not that reliable anyway). So who know the trailer is prob deliberately edited in a way that will result in 250+ pages of discussion between weirdos on a web forum...
At this point we’re only speculating. I remember people losing their **** over certain lines dialogue in TFA trailer and in the end they went down different in the movie. I remember people thinking Leia’s gonna be the big jedi character cuz of the shot when Maz gives her the lightsaber. The scene is not even in the movie. And let’s not forget that the trailers for TLJ implied a completely different movie that we got.
Do I think bringing back Palps as a corporeal flesh and blood character would be a bad idea? Yea. JJ openly admitted they had no plans for that at all until now. Would I buy into it if the story is good and it’s a creative and sensible way? Yea. I would have bought into Luke being bitter and considering the whole Jedi business too dangerous if it was told well. Do I think this one will be told well? Doubt it but haven’t seen the movie yet so I don’t even know what the story is that needs to be told well.