Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Pre-release)

Im still ok with emperor returning. I cant seem to figure out how it ruins ROTJ.

The OT is about Luke. It's his journey. Once he learned the truth he set out to save his father and he did just that. The emperor was only a means to help Luke achieve that. Anakin has returned. Emperor returning does not change that Anakin redeemed himself and saved Luke.

I am of belief that emperor is needed at the end because he controlled every event in the saga. How can you close something with out the force reasoning behind it all?

For me, it reduces the impact of Anakin's sacrifice. He killed the Emperor for what? Yes Luke's life, who then didn't do much in the next 30 years, except perhaps arguably causing Ben Solo's fall and didn't really get rid of the Emperor in the process
 
Has anyone discussed that odd clip from the trailer of the resistance/ rebellion riding space horses on a Star Destroyer in cloudy space (Because cloudy space looks cooler I guess). Am I the only one who eye rolls every time that scene pops up?

I'm nitpicking for the sake of it. I just think it looks horrible. I mean, one strafing run from a TIE, or turbo blast from a nearby SD, and bye-bye everyone in one shot.
 
Yeah having space horses riding on the hull of a space ship in orbit is idiotic. Even if it's in atmosphere it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Then again JJ has been quoted as saying, "**** it." with regards to making this movie. So there's that to keep in mind.
 
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I’ve always dreamed of herds of horses running across the hull of a capital starship, I mean, you should not be a member of this Board if you never dreamed that most impossible of dreams.

I remember when I first saw the opening scene of “Star Wars” and the star destroyer passed overhead. I turned to my brother and said, “wouldn’t it be cool if a herd of horses ran over that hull ?”. Then, 3 years later, along came came “Empire” and the opening scene again showed a star destroyer. I held my breath....would I see horses? Again, no herds of horses running across the hull. This, for me, ruined an otherwise perfect movie. Such a missed opportunity. If not horses, why not Tauntauns? Then, “Jedi” came and, again, an opening scene with a star destroyer...and again I was crestfallen...still no herds of horses running across that gigantic hull.

Such a missed opportunity and profound lack of vision.

For years, I had such a tough time getting through the OT films, In their entirety, because of this issue.

Then, the Special Editions came and Lucas made statements about “fixing” the OT. Finally, George would properly insert horses onto these star destroyers....maybe even have Boba Fett make a seemingly unneeded cameo riding one of the horses in a fleeting insert shot in the opening scene of “Star Wars”. It wouldn’t be too much to ask. But—alas, no. This did not happen.

But now...JJ Abrams you have made my dreams come true—first, by submerging the Starship Enterprise in an ocean—and now, by uniting horses with capital starships, as they were always meant to be. I wiped tears from my face as I saw this in the trailer. Tears of pure joy.

No dream is too big if you believe in it strongly enough kids...no dream is too big.

I dedicate this post to dreamers everywhere.

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I love ROTJ and tbh some days I actually like it more than ANH, but at the end of the day I have to admit its simply the least well put together of the OT films. It has some of my favorite moments in all the saga, but some parts feel really rushed, the ewoks simply never completely worked for me from a believability standpoint even as a kid.. hence why I wish they used Wookie slaves as the uprising force against the empire given the preexisting in universe knowledge of Wookies being dangerous (We gotta remember these were supposed to be the Emperors very best troops, so we truly need a equal adversary), and lastly the weird way the space battle suddenly turns for the better for the Rebels once the DS2 shield and Executor go down when they were still completely outnumbered by the Empires forces even before the DS2 superlaser came into play. Its not enough to pull me out of the film while watching it which is great and exactly why ROTJ is still an amazing film for me, but they are issues I can admit post watching
 
i agree. I think the original idea was wookies anyway so don’t really know why they went another way. I also don’t think to sell more toys was the right reason, given that the wookies could have been distinct.

I do like some of the goofy parts of Star Wars. The sand pickup line has kinda grown on me lol and I enjoy pointing out Luke’s force kick in RotJ (anyone can do a force push but only a master can do a force kick).
 
i agree. I think the original idea was wookies anyway so don’t really know why they went another way. I also don’t think to sell more toys was the right reason, given that the wookies could have been distinct.
I always thought this was a joke but I heard Mark Hamill say the reason they went with Ewoks instead of Wookies was simply that it was more budget friendly to make smaller Ewok costumes than Wookie ones. Half the size meant half the cost lol.
 
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I always thought this was a joke but I heard Mark Hammill say the reason they went with Ewoks instead of Wookies was simply that it was more budget friendly to make smaller Ewok costumes than Wookie ones. Half the size meant half the cost lol.

I thank God every day for the Ewoks. Some may call them the OT Gungans but I call them Comedy Gold.

If not for the Ewoks, we would never have been given this beautiful gift:


Yub Nub!!
 
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Honestly I think most people object to them because they were slightly goofy at times and because they were cute. Which are both valid reasons to dislike them. As an adult I can see that, but something about even my cynical heart still really loves them because that's not all they were. Plus I think they're adorable.

Not just that, it's the "primitives vs tech" disparagement that I take issue with on Ewoks over Wookies. Wookies have always been tech savvy, so it's easier to see them rising up and using weapons/vehicles stolen or taken off of dead stormtroopers, vs teddy bears not shown to be tech savvy with spears vs armored energy weapon firing opponents. Not to mention all the traps that they were able to set up in the area....minus the lines to catch the speeder bike riders...I like that one and still makes me go "OUCH" when watching it.

Now the reason for doing it, (costs, merch by jumpin on the "teddy bear craze", etc), I get it...but it's still stupid. And I like ROTJ, minus the Ewoks and song sequence...
 
i agree. I think the original idea was wookies anyway so don’t really know why they went another way. I also don’t think to sell more toys was the right reason, given that the wookies could have been distinct.
The concept Chewbacca was what ended up inspiring Zeb from Rebels:

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By the time they got to about the second draft of the screenplay and were making or planning physical representations, they were running into that they could find no way to not make it look awful. So George, when he lifted the Death Star from the end of his story notes, also took one of the sasquatch-like aliens the Empire was using as slave labor to build it. They were called "wookies" at that point, from something in a background-dialogue track recorded for American Graffiti (one of the loopers ad-libbed "Feels like I ran over a wookie") that stuck with George. Kinda like the inspiration for the astromech droid's name came when he was editing American Graffiti, talking about this specific thing with his co-editor, and interrupted himself to ask for the second tape of dialogue for the reel of the film he was working on at the moment. Everything is labeled, in this case the canister bore "REEL 2 DIALOG 2", which, in the verbal shorthand people in these jobs acquire, became "R2D2" when George asked for it. And something went "aha!" in his head.

Anyway.

After Star Wars was a hit, and he had been pushed into doing Star Wars 2, with plans to continue the story further, some of his "borrowing" was going to come due. He solved the earlier use of his ultimate maguffin by... just using a second -- but bigger! -- Death Star. But the Wookiees (as it was now spelled) were a problem for him. He had spent two films establishing Chewie as an intelligent, tool-using, blaster-shooting, spaceship-flying being. It wouldn't do to now portray his people as primitives. It never occurred to him that, just maybe, if the Empire were keeping them as slaves, they would be denied access to any technology or advanced weapons.

Instead he decided to invert the concept. Instead of being very tall, he made these new aliens very small. And he inverted the syllables from wook-EE to EE-wook, streamlined, obviously. But I feel the costumes looked a little too fake, like manufactured teddy bears rather than organically-evolved beings. At least the ones that featured prominently needed to have been done to a higher standard. I still would rather they had been the Wookiee workers' children, held hostage by the Empire to force their parents to work and not resist, who had gone a bit Lord of the Flies on their own...
 
The only way to save Star Wars is to get the old band back together: Marcia Lucas, Paul Hirsch and Richard Chew. They were the guys that did the final editing to the original that even George Lucas messed up on. They made it the movie we know and love to this day.

 
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Save Star Wars? No fan edit can fix the fundamental script flaws in the ST or PT. The revisionism only came about in the OT because George could never make up his mind. This is the problem with trying to expand a complete trilogy and build it into a 9 part saga.
 
This is the problem with trying to expand a complete trilogy and build it into a 9 part saga.
...After it had been compressed from twelve to nine to six parts already, then back to nine... When it should really have been nine for each central character (Obi-Wan, Luke, Rey? Ben? Leia? Whoever?) all along to avoid many of the problems being chewed over here.
 
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