Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Pre-release)
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DARTH ANIBAL
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See, nothing personal or specifically directed at anyone in particular, but anyone who can trash the ST, but give the PT a pass must be a bit off (tongue in cheek, of course). One would have to apply such a generous grading curve to the PT to do this that it's obvious that the ST is being measured by a completely different metric. I can't see how anyone can sing the praises of the PT, and turn around and say the ST is utter garbage.
PantheraGem
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I'm not a bit off. I'm very off.
Joek3rr
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What I'm finding the most intriguing is the new symbol. Are the Sith (re)emerging as a political faction and not just a religious order? Something we have yet to see in the films? Or are these Sith Troopers a part of some other 3rd faction? Oooh I can't wait for Ep 9!!!!
I hate the PT and the ST.
Your not alone
d_jedi1
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No, same metric..
Do they tell a cohesive story, start to finish?
Do the individual films (largely) work on their own?
Do they follow the same elemental formulas established by George in the OT?
The answer is obvious.
While the prequels CERTAINLY have flaws (as I've stated, I'd have gone a completely different direction or just not done them at all) they check all three boxes. Even AOTC which is definitely the weakest, is FAR from being an outright terrible SW film.
The sequel trilogy has already failed on all three.
The Last Jedi was so incorrect on EVERY LEVEL that it not only breaks this trilogy but it breaks the franchise, it's not conducive to a cohesive story and it doesn't work as an individual film, either.. TFA, Largely DOES work as an Individual film but mainly because it's (almost) a remake of ANH.
TFA SEEMS to use most of the elemental formulas established by George (although neutered by Disney) but TLJ completely abandoned them. We have yet to see if TRS does any of these three.
Do they tell a cohesive story, start to finish?
Do the individual films (largely) work on their own?
Do they follow the same elemental formulas established by George in the OT?
The answer is obvious.
While the prequels CERTAINLY have flaws (as I've stated, I'd have gone a completely different direction or just not done them at all) they check all three boxes. Even AOTC which is definitely the weakest, is FAR from being an outright terrible SW film.
The sequel trilogy has already failed on all three.
The Last Jedi was so incorrect on EVERY LEVEL that it not only breaks this trilogy but it breaks the franchise, it's not conducive to a cohesive story and it doesn't work as an individual film, either.. TFA, Largely DOES work as an Individual film but mainly because it's (almost) a remake of ANH.
TFA SEEMS to use most of the elemental formulas established by George (although neutered by Disney) but TLJ completely abandoned them. We have yet to see if TRS does any of these three.
patrickivan
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It's neat to see yet another Storm Trooper. I'm being a little facetious, because I think the last 2 Trilogy films, plus R1 and Solo, have really been milking Trooper designs.
I love the all red. The grooves are a neat element. The body suit texturing looks good too.
What I don't like is the helmet. I didn't care too much for the last 2 movie helmets either. The reason is simple. The PT designs went from a Republic utilitarian look, that evolved slowly into that evil organic grotesque OT helmet that paralleled the change from the Republic to the Empire. That was the helmet that made me wonder what evil was under it. Was it robot, alien, human? It didn't matter. It was alien, different than anything I've seen. But then the ST came alone and turned them into motorcycle helmets. Bland, boring, helmets. And this Sith Trooper helmet just doesn't convey that same feeling of terror. It's just a helmet... I think a big part of that is the visor. Before it was eyes. droopy melting looking eyes in the OT. Then it became just goggles. Boring, contemporary goggles.
And since I saw the rear of a Kia Soul, I can't stop associating it with the ST First Order Trooper helmets!
And the blaster. It just looks too contemporary sci-fi. It doesn't have that Star Wars feel and style. But I suppose that I'm nitpicking.
I love the all red. The grooves are a neat element. The body suit texturing looks good too.
What I don't like is the helmet. I didn't care too much for the last 2 movie helmets either. The reason is simple. The PT designs went from a Republic utilitarian look, that evolved slowly into that evil organic grotesque OT helmet that paralleled the change from the Republic to the Empire. That was the helmet that made me wonder what evil was under it. Was it robot, alien, human? It didn't matter. It was alien, different than anything I've seen. But then the ST came alone and turned them into motorcycle helmets. Bland, boring, helmets. And this Sith Trooper helmet just doesn't convey that same feeling of terror. It's just a helmet... I think a big part of that is the visor. Before it was eyes. droopy melting looking eyes in the OT. Then it became just goggles. Boring, contemporary goggles.
And since I saw the rear of a Kia Soul, I can't stop associating it with the ST First Order Trooper helmets!
And the blaster. It just looks too contemporary sci-fi. It doesn't have that Star Wars feel and style. But I suppose that I'm nitpicking.
d_jedi1
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Joek3rr
Master Member
I may be incorrect... but isn't that a repainted NERF Longshot?
It's hard to tell, but it look to be mashup of things. I think I'm spying a GLOCK pistol grip. And an AK dust cover
Joek3rr
Master Member
'Master the Prequels and The Force Awakens is one thing. But The Last Jedi is totally different.'
'No! No different! Only different in your mind.'
I’m not going to unsee this now
Eh, I'm not feeling this Crimson Guard stormtrooper. Not as bad as the red guards in 8 bad, but not great either. It looks too G.I.Joe for me and not really Star Wars. Though the use of texture is an interesting technique. I'm all for new designs but where is the practical element of it? For example the OT troopers had different armor to suit them depending on the environment they fought in. Snow troopers on Hoth, Biker scouts on Endor. Even for a fantasy story there was some intention behind the design so that you didn't question it too much.
If a design calls too much attention to itself and pulls you out of the movie, to my mind it's a poor design. This may well fit perfectly with the story for 9 so I could be completely off base but just my first impression is that I don't care for the look.
If a design calls too much attention to itself and pulls you out of the movie, to my mind it's a poor design. This may well fit perfectly with the story for 9 so I could be completely off base but just my first impression is that I don't care for the look.
Given I fell in love with the Royal Guards back in 1982 when I first saw publicity materials, given that was immediately and no question the costume I wanted to do when I found out about the 501st almost nineteen years ago, and given all of the other aspects of those troops I've absorbed and internalized over the years and how that's added to my costume queue, and especially given how long I've struggled to get the SpecOps Detachment to uncollapse the Magma Trooper from the Royal Guard Stormtrooper (especially because the former has never been seen or described)... Please don't call them Crimson Guard Stormtroopers. *lol* Palpatine's guards get called that too often. These are apparently explicitly "Sith Troopers", and I'm waiting to see whether that's justified.
The only Crimson Guards I recognize and accept are the COBRA elite troopers (which I'm also doing a costume of, natch).
As for the overabundance of armor variation, George is more guilty of that. Look at the Prequels and Clone Wars. Why do we have separate variants for Clone pilots, AT-RT drivers, ARF Troopers, Light Infantry (aka the Kashyyyk Troopers), BARC Troopers, Clone stealth pilots, ARC-170 pilots, V-Wing pilots... And so on. In the OT, pilots and armored-vehicle drivers wore minor variations of the same battle-dress, and the helmets were almost identical. Scout Troopers have been used with minor variation as force recon, snipers, and commandos (not to be confused with the similar but distinct Storm Commandos). So far, this, Phasma, the pilots, the walker drivers, cold-assault troopers, and the Flametroopers are the only significant variants from the standard First Order Stormtrooper. They seem to be following more of an OT take on this than the Prequel era. And yes, I'm ignoring the Praetorian Guards, because, as a decades-long Royal Guard fanboy, all I can say is "eccchhh..."
First anything remotely Royal Guard-esque in Star Wars I've had zero interest in re-creating.
I was pointing out that, to me, they more resemble the Crimson Guards from G.I. Joe than they do Stormtroopers variants. Though the Cobra soldiers to me were always cool.
I'm not against the variations in design, I just don't care for the look of this one.
I love the Royal guards from ROTJ. It was a menacing look with such a simple design. Plus as I said this design could very well fit the story so I can't make a final judgement on it. It was more my initial impression of the look which I don't care for.
I hated the Tumbler when I first saw it but when I finally saw Batman Begins I fell in love with it, so I know my tastes for certain designs can be malleable.
I'm not against the variations in design, I just don't care for the look of this one.
I love the Royal guards from ROTJ. It was a menacing look with such a simple design. Plus as I said this design could very well fit the story so I can't make a final judgement on it. It was more my initial impression of the look which I don't care for.
I hated the Tumbler when I first saw it but when I finally saw Batman Begins I fell in love with it, so I know my tastes for certain designs can be malleable.
The Scout Trooper variant in 'Return of the Jedi' always puzzled me. I approach design as driven by function and having a helmet designed with less vision with that large surrounding shroud seems to be the opposite of what you would expect.
Maybe it is supposed to reflect the blinders on a race horse look, but from what we see on screen they need as much vision, including peripheral, as possible
Maybe it is supposed to reflect the blinders on a race horse look, but from what we see on screen they need as much vision, including peripheral, as possible
Oh the Biker scout trooper helmets are totally impractical but damn do they look cool!
Tastes are subjective though and what I like, not everyone else will like and vice versa.
I think this Sith trooper costume is ugly, but that's just my opinion. It could very well be perfect for their function in the story and look incredible on screen.
Tastes are subjective though and what I like, not everyone else will like and vice versa.
I think this Sith trooper costume is ugly, but that's just my opinion. It could very well be perfect for their function in the story and look incredible on screen.
To me the new Sith Trooper (blood trooper, crimson warrior, red rampager or whatever) screams of "what havent we tried yet" rather than "what will work well".
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