Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Post-release)

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That’s why I call Disney Star Wars ‘Disney Star Wars’ & Lucas’s Star Wars ‘Real Star Wars’
Just because Disney owns the rights to make new SW films doesn’t make the new films canon, they can say it is, because they own it, but it will never be.

If the rights for The Beatles were sold to a new company & that company started writing more Beatles tunes, or making new tunes out of samples of the old tunes,...would that be The Beatles?
The Lucas Star Wars films, were films conceived by Lucas & brought to a reality by a team of creators who moulded his vision

Disney Star Wars displays, ‘Based on characters created by George Lucas’,....because thats what it is,.....Expanded Universe written by people who don't 'get' Star Wars .....mostly....Rogue One & The Mandalorian, 'get' pretty close

It's only there to make money, not for art

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I've used this exact analogy with friends before also using the Beatles as an example and I usually add the provision that Paul McCartney makes a guest appearance on the first album to "legitimize" the new effort. Of course we would never accept it as a true Beatles album since the whole band as well as George Martin and his engineers are no longer involved.

Take books as another example. Would we accept a sequel to Lord of the Rings written by anyone other than JRR Tolkien? I certainly wouldn't. Or sequels to any Stephen King novel not written by him?

So if we wouldn't accept it from the music world, and we wouldn't accept it in the book world, why are we okay with it in cinema and television? Do the same standards not apply? Has there been a sequel where it did work? I'm asking this as an open question, not simply a rhetorical one.
 
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I've used this exact analogy with friends before also using the Beatles as an example and I usually add the provision that Paul McCartney makes a guest appearance on the first album to "legitimize" the new effort. Of course we would never accept it as a true Beatles album since the whole band as well as George Martin and his engineers are no longer involved.

Take books as another example. Would we accept a sequel to Lord of the Rings written by anyone other than JRR Tolkien? I certainly wouldn't. Or sequels to any Stephen King novel not written by him?

So if we wouldn't accept it from the music world, and we wouldn't accept it in the book world, why are we okay with it in cinema and television? Do the same standards not apply? Has there been a sequel where it did work? I'm asking this as an open question, not simply a rhetorical one.

Goldeneye?
 
Goldeneye?
That's actually a great example and one I've thought of before but completely forgot to bring up now. Thank you (y) . James Bond is definitely one where it has worked with different actors, directors, writers.

Also comic books as a medium mostly functions without the original creator and the accompanying movies sometimes are rebooted successfully.

Perhaps the stand alone episodic nature of Bond, or superheroes for that matter, lends itself to more flexible interpretations? Whereas with Star Wars or LOTR, continuity is more structurally critical to a long form story.
 
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I've used this exact analogy with friends before also using the Beatles as an example and I usually add the provision that Paul McCartney makes a guest appearance on the first album to "legitimize" the new effort. Of course we would never accept it as a true Beatles album since the whole band as well as George Martin and his engineers are no longer involved.

Take books as another example. Would we accept a sequel to Lord of the Rings written by anyone other than JRR Tolkien? I certainly wouldn't. Or sequels to any Stephen King novel not written by him?

So if we wouldn't accept it from the music world, and we wouldn't accept it in the book world, why are we okay with it in cinema and television? Do the same standards not apply? Has there been a sequel where it did work? I'm asking this as an open question, not simply a rhetorical one.
You know, when the ancient Greeks would put on plays, they went out of their way to let people know it was a play. Their theater was fully intended to be a farce of life—they didn’t want their audiences blurring the lines. While I don’t think we should take the same approach they did, I understand the sentiment. So many people get so invested in fiction and fantasy that they forget what it is—entertainment. That’s, to me at least, why some people allow the additions to Star Wars. They’re too invested in this other galaxy, in the brand of Star Wars, that they don’t allow themselves to step back and just appreciate them—or critique them—for what they are. I mean, I think this site is better off than a subreddit dedicated to Star Wars, because this site is mostly based around the props, costumes, and models of movies. Most here at least understand part of the making of that goes on behind the scenes, pulling back the curtain to see the wizard pulling levers.

For me, I appreciate good stories, and good storytelling. It’s why I love the OT. I don’t love Star Wars because I grew up with it. I’ve said it before—I was in the target audience of the prequels. When I was a kid, Revenge of the Sith was probably my favorite SW film, and Empire my least. Nowadays, as I have grown and matured and learned more and learned how to appreciate storytelling, my opinion has totally flipped. The OT were simple, mostly grounded stories told well, with passion put into the groundbreaking effects and production design. It’s why I’ve become less and less interested in “Star Wars” content through the past few months, starting with TROS. Nothing about that…product…appealed to me. Not only did I think the story was poorly told, I thought the concepts themselves were bad, and clearly came from non-creative places. They were born of the desperation of a company that spent $4 billion on a property they don’t understand, with a deeply divided fan base. But there are others that set different standards, that have different expectations of movies. Some are content to merely escape for a few hours, and not think too hard. I’d say power to them, except we no longer live in an age where I find that acceptable. Nowadays, with nostalgia being the big selling point, and with its biggest proponent becoming more and more of a monopoly every day, they have the power to put out lower and lower quality stuff. They don’t need to exert themselves. They don’t need to take risks. They can just string together some half-baked action, some glossy CGI, and a threadbare Alex Kurzman-level script, and as long as it has some things that people recognize, or bears the name of a popular franchise, it’ll get a free pass from a larger and larger audience. Once upon a time, I’d say fine. Enjoy your Michael Bay Transformers movies. But when that level of cavalier-filmmaking becomes the norm in Hollywood, when this risk-averse, nostalgia bait, low passion content gets continually pumped out with fewer and fewer options like those films from before that really stood out and stand the test of time? I get bummed. And I’ve been called a gatekeeper and a snob for saying “the prequels are bad” and “how do I know what’s even good” and “what makes a good film is subjective”. I’d disagree. What makes a film personally entertaining or appealing is subjective. But when something is made well, when it has passion and effort and hard work put into it—it’s good. I don’t have to watch The Shining to know it’s not my cup of tea. That doesn’t mean I don’t acknowledge the artwork behind it. So some people (a lot, apparently) enjoyed TROS. That doesn’t make it a good movie (or even, you know, deserving of being called a movie). It just means they enjoyed it.
 
That's actually a great example and one I've thought of before but completely forgot to bring up now. Thank you (y) . James Bond is definitely one where it has worked with different actors, directors, writers.

Also comic books as a medium mostly functions without the original creator and the accompanying movies sometimes are rebooted successfully.

Perhaps the stand alone episodic nature of Bond, or superheroes for that matter, lends itself to more flexible interpretations? Whereas with Star Wars or LOTR, continuity is more structurally critical to a long form story.

Yeah I did wonder when I posted, whether it could really be classed as a sequel, or whether any Bond film before Daniel Craig's run, could be considered sequels.

I'd agree that the standalone nature of Bond films lends a lot of leeway in expectations and what is released. Especially when the previous film was perhaps not up to standard like the later Brosnan ones, it can be essentially ignored going forward without it being detrimental to an overall story.
 
That’s why I call Disney Star Wars ‘Disney Star Wars’ & Lucas’s Star Wars ‘Real Star Wars’
Just because Disney owns the rights to make new SW films doesn’t make the new films canon, they can say it is, because they own it, but it will never be.

If the rights for The Beatles were sold to a new company & that company started writing more Beatles tunes, or making new tunes out of samples of the old tunes,...would that be The Beatles?
The Lucas Star Wars films, were films conceived by Lucas & brought to a reality by a team of creators who moulded his vision

Disney Star Wars displays, ‘Based on characters created by George Lucas’,....because thats what it is,.....Expanded Universe written by people who don't 'get' Star Wars .....mostly....Rogue One & The Mandalorian, 'get' pretty close

It's only there to make money, not for art

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I mean George sold the company, what were you expecting?

I think everyone that's been hired by Lucasfilm 'gets' Star Wars. The thing is, Star Wars is different to different people. JJ, Rian, Gareth, Ron, Jon, Dave, Deborah, and all the others who's names escape me. They all love Star Wars, but to each and everyone, Star Wars is different. So each person is going to make their movie or episode how they from how they view Star Wars.
 
I mean George sold the company, what were you expecting?

I think everyone that's been hired by Lucasfilm 'gets' Star Wars. The thing is, Star Wars is different to different people. JJ, Rian, Gareth, Ron, Jon, Dave, Deborah, and all the others who's names escape me. They all love Star Wars, but to each and everyone, Star Wars is different. So each person is going to make their movie or episode how they from how they view Star Wars.

But it’s evident to everyone that they don’t understand the product,...at all

That’s why they are in the chaos they are in,...the miss matched tug of war between the directors that we witnessed in the ST,...the planned films...then cancelled,...the hiring & sacking of writers & directors

It’s a shambles

I love Star Wars,....& I hope that Disney eventually gets it together,...but almost everything they have made can be written off and considered as baby steps

J
 
I mean George sold the company, what were you expecting?

I think everyone that's been hired by Lucasfilm 'gets' Star Wars. The thing is, Star Wars is different to different people. JJ, Rian, Gareth, Ron, Jon, Dave, Deborah, and all the others who's names escape me. They all love Star Wars, but to each and everyone, Star Wars is different. So each person is going to make their movie or episode how they from how they view Star Wars.

That only works if you get to tell the whole story. When it's a part of an ongoing series, i.e. a trilogy, it doesn't work. I hate to refer to Marvel, but, it's a good analogy. Those directors do largely get to do what they want - however, it has to be within the confines of the overall narrative. Whedon couldn't just up and make cap a member of Hydra or mess with anything else that was in plan at that point.

You can't tell a story with multiple view points. There were different directors for the OT, but they were all under George. He had the veto power on everything. Those guys had the balls to argue back, but it was still his call on the story. Kirshner doesn't get to make luke fall to the dark side because that's 'his vision'. If you want to go the different director route, you have to have a strong leader leading the way with a strong vision. That didn't exist in this either. Whether or not you like what George did on his own in the prequels, you can't deny he had a strong vision of what he wanted it to be and that it call came from a singular viewpoint.
 
That only works if you get to tell the whole story. When it's a part of an ongoing series, i.e. a trilogy, it doesn't work. I hate to refer to Marvel, but, it's a good analogy. Those directors do largely get to do what they want - however, it has to be within the confines of the overall narrative. Whedon couldn't just up and make cap a member of Hydra or mess with anything else that was in plan at that point.

You can't tell a story with multiple view points. There were different directors for the OT, but they were all under George. He had the veto power on everything. Those guys had the balls to argue back, but it was still his call on the story. Kirshner doesn't get to make luke fall to the dark side because that's 'his vision'. If you want to go the different director route, you have to have a strong leader leading the way with a strong vision. That didn't exist in this either. Whether or not you like what George did on his own in the prequels, you can't deny he had a strong vision of what he wanted it to be and that it call came from a singular viewpoint.
Yeah, I’m surprised that with all of those unhappy with the ST saying “it should have been planned out”, no one has tried to lean on “Well the OT wasn’t planned out either.” Maybe because some of them still think that the OT was totally planned as well. But the difference is, ANH was virtually the first big modern blockbuster. It redefined how movies would be made and stories would be told. They never expected to really make sequels, let alone successful ones. So they had the opportunity to take risks, because the ANH was a risk to begin with, and changing things up with sequels was something they wanted to pursue. The other difference is, the writers and others involved in the creative, narrative process took elements from ANH (and later from ESB) and used them to tell better sequels. Ben’s way of telling Luke that Vader had murdered his father was played straight in ANH. But in ESB and ROTJ, the way he had phrased things and spoken were twisted to seem more like uncomfortably lying to Luke, either to protect him or to protect himself (Ben). Leia wasn’t Luke’s sister in ESB. Ever. Not even in post-production. Luckily, having cut their brief romantic interaction in the deleted scene leading up to Han saying “you look like you could pull the ears off a gundark” meant that nothing explicitly prevented them from making Leia his sister in ROTJ. In fact, his communication through the Force with her at the end of ESB, while originally probably just a demonstration of Luke’s power, became a hint at their relation for ROTJ.

In the ST, both directors just played a game of “I don’t like what you did, so I’m reversing it. I’m not going to exert myself to try and tell an interesting story using the existing elements. I’m just going to throw out what I didn’t like and say it’s not important or it’s not true.” Heck, that’s why Colin Trevorrow left. He wasn’t creative enough to take what Rian Johnson had done and tell an engaging story. I’m sure some detractor of TLJ will say “no one could have fixed TLJ”, but I don’t think that’s true. I liked TLJ, but it does end with a sort of finality. It doesn’t leave anything particularly open to being resolved. It would have been a Herculean task, but a talented writer and director could have pulled it off. Not a director well-known and criticized for botching the ending to practically everything he’d ever touched and the writer to a ghastly nightmare like Justice League or Batman v. Superman.
 
Considering George has been writing the book of "What could have been great" with the OT re-releases, prequels and Indy 4 I would not put that much stock in his ideas anymore.

I agree GL has gone off the rails a little bit look at the backlash from fans when
But it’s evident to everyone that they don’t understand the product,...at all

That’s why they are in the chaos they are in,...the miss matched tug of war between the directors that we witnessed in the ST,...the planned films...then cancelled,...the hiring & sacking of writers & directors

It’s a shambles

I love Star Wars,....& I hope that Disney eventually gets it together,...but almost everything they have made can be written off and considered as baby steps

J

I agree that I don’t think the head honchos (KK, Bob Iger, JJ or RJ) actually understood Star Wars or were only fixated in giving their take.

Iger obviously saw it as a cash cow and nothing more. The quote that we can just open a Star Wars theme park in Disney World and the people will come, no advertisement needed, is evident.

KK not sure but it seems she sees it as a vehicle for a political message. Empire is bad racist fascist. Rebels good. And pushed her messaging across (women powerful and almighty)

JJ seems to see it as lots of cool shots and mystery boxes. VII is pretty much callbacks and mystery boxes galore (who is Rey? Why did the lightsaber get there? Why did it call out to her? Who is Kylo Ren? Who is Snoke? Etc).

OT only has one “mystery” in who was Luke’s father but it wasn’t the driving motivation for Luke. Luke wanted to go on an adventure. He wanted to fight to protect his friends and it’s what characterizes him.
 
That only works if you get to tell the whole story. When it's a part of an ongoing series, i.e. a trilogy, it doesn't work. I hate to refer to Marvel, but, it's a good analogy. Those directors do largely get to do what they want - however, it has to be within the confines of the overall narrative. Whedon couldn't just up and make cap a member of Hydra or mess with anything else that was in plan at that point.

You can't tell a story with multiple view points. There were different directors for the OT, but they were all under George. He had the veto power on everything. Those guys had the balls to argue back, but it was still his call on the story. Kirshner doesn't get to make luke fall to the dark side because that's 'his vision'. If you want to go the different director route, you have to have a strong leader leading the way with a strong vision. That didn't exist in this either. Whether or not you like what George did on his own in the prequels, you can't deny he had a strong vision of what he wanted it to be and that it call came from a singular viewpoint.
And as I see it, the Star Wars directors are exactly the same. They are following an overall narrative. Just take Adam Driver's comments that he new from the start how Ben's story ended. That was planned. Leia's arc was also planned. I mean just read this excerpt from The Art of The Rise of Skywalker.
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It's also the moment where Rey Skywalker is planned out. Some of this stuff was hammered out before hand.
 
Ironically, I think RJ understood the core principle of Star Wars but veered in a completely wrong direction and broke a ton of established rules in doing so.

RJ did seem to get that Star Wars is about war and does focus on that (Lucas originally wanted Luke and Leia to be lovers broken apart due to the war and there is evidence of the total destruction of war)

However, RJ made the point of how we shouldn’t fight to attack but defend and delved into war profiteering, two concepts that were never touched upon before in the movies and never have been again making them not fit with the movie at all.

RJ also messed up with not allowing future continuity, stunting growth for key characters while cutting the storylines for others. I think if RJ knew he was directing IX, he would have left some storylines for him to explore but since he was doing a one off, it did seem like he just wanted to subvert expectations and screw the director for IX, it’s not his problem.

that’s one big reason why I think the 3 different directors was a stupid idea. The first movie gets to setup and essentially dictates the story which screws the other 2 from creative freedom but doesnt get to deliver the final payoff.
The middle gets the worst treatment, having to connect the two and essentially do a lot of buildup without being able to give the payoff.
the third is completely dependent on the previous movies and has to wrap up the storyline. There is no creative freedom to explore because there is no time to.
 
Ironically, I think RJ understood the core principle of Star Wars but veered in a completely wrong direction and broke a ton of established rules in doing so.

RJ did seem to get that Star Wars is about war and does focus on that (Lucas originally wanted Luke and Leia to be lovers broken apart due to the war and there is evidence of the total destruction of war)

However, RJ made the point of how we shouldn’t fight to attack but defend and delved into war profiteering, two concepts that were never touched upon before in the movies and never have been again making them not fit with the movie at all.

RJ also messed up with not allowing future continuity, stunting growth for key characters while cutting the storylines for others. I think if RJ knew he was directing IX, he would have left some storylines for him to explore but since he was doing a one off, it did seem like he just wanted to subvert expectations and screw the director for IX, it’s not his problem.

that’s one big reason why I think the 3 different directors was a stupid idea. The first movie gets to setup and essentially dictates the story which screws the other 2 from creative freedom but doesnt get to deliver the final payoff.
The middle gets the worst treatment, having to connect the two and essentially do a lot of buildup without being able to give the payoff.
the third is completely dependent on the previous movies and has to wrap up the storyline. There is no creative freedom to explore because there is no time to.
That’s why I liked TLJ. RJ understood some of the core elements and themes of Star Wars that had fallen by the wayside due to the prequels, like all of a sudden, you can only be a Jedi if you’ve got magic blood, rather than it being a matter of spirituality and faith/belief. Of course, he had some strange execution of things, and also clearly wanted to “subvert expectations” over story some of the time. I totally understand why some dislike the film. I think credit should be given where it’s due, though.
 
Ironically, I think RJ understood the core principle of Star Wars but veered in a completely wrong direction and broke a ton of established rules in doing so.

RJ did seem to get that Star Wars is about war and does focus on that (Lucas originally wanted Luke and Leia to be lovers broken apart due to the war and there is evidence of the total destruction of war)

However, RJ made the point of how we shouldn’t fight to attack but defend and delved into war profiteering, two concepts that were never touched upon before in the movies and never have been again making them not fit with the movie at all.

RJ also messed up with not allowing future continuity, stunting growth for key characters while cutting the storylines for others. I think if RJ knew he was directing IX, he would have left some storylines for him to explore but since he was doing a one off, it did seem like he just wanted to subvert expectations and screw the director for IX, it’s not his problem.

that’s one big reason why I think the 3 different directors was a stupid idea. The first movie gets to setup and essentially dictates the story which screws the other 2 from creative freedom but doesnt get to deliver the final payoff.
The middle gets the worst treatment, having to connect the two and essentially do a lot of buildup without being able to give the payoff.
the third is completely dependent on the previous movies and has to wrap up the storyline. There is no creative freedom to explore because there is no time to.

I think that's one of the reasons I like TLJ. It ties in with alot of the stuff presented in The Clone Wars, what with war profiteering and Jedi order not being so blameless.
 
And as I see it, the Star Wars directors are exactly the same. They are following an overall narrative. Just take Adam Driver's comments that he new from the start how Ben's story ended. That was planned. Leia's arc was also planned. I mean just read this excerpt from The Art of The Rise of Skywalker.
It's also the moment where Rey Skywalker is planned out. Some of this stuff was hammered out before hand.

Kind of predictable storyline,...see my quote from Jedi below

...also if Carrie hadn't died before completing the Trilogy, do you think it would have been a masterpiece

I don't think it would have been a lot different to what we got,...TROS would have still been back pedalling, trying to undo the damage of TLJ,....Trevorrow or not


That’s why I liked TLJ. RJ understood some of the core elements and themes of Star Wars that had fallen by the wayside due to the prequels, like all of a sudden, you can only be a Jedi if you’ve got magic blood, rather than it being a matter of spirituality and faith/belief. Of course, he had some strange execution of things, and also clearly wanted to “subvert expectations” over story some of the time. I totally understand why some dislike the film. I think credit should be given where it’s due, though.

Star Wars had lineage at its core right from the first conversation Ben had with Luke talking about his father, going onto Luke's conversation with Leia in Jedi, "You're wrong, Leia. You have that power too. In time you'll learn to use it as I have. The Force is strong in my family. My father has it...I have it...and...my sister has it.",....so the magic blood was always there

In the Prequels we see a multitude of diverse creatures, male & female who are Jedi's, so obviously they aren't all related

The Last Jedi's broomboy told us nothing new

J
 
Kind of predictable storyline,...see my quote from Jedi below

...also if Carrie hadn't died before completing the Trilogy, do you think it would have been a masterpiece

I don't think it would have been a lot different to what we got,...TROS would have still been back pedalling, trying to undo the damage of TLJ,....Trevorrow or not




Star Wars had lineage at its core right from the first conversation Ben had with Luke talking about his father, going onto Luke's conversation with Leia in Jedi, "You're wrong, Leia. You have that power too. In time you'll learn to use it as I have. The Force is strong in my family. My father has it...I have it...and...my sister has it.",....so the magic blood was always there

In the Prequels we see a multitude of diverse creatures, male & female who are Jedi's, so obviously they aren't all related

The Last Jedi's broomboy told us nothing new

J
I wasn’t referring to broom boy as much as the idea that Rey’s parents didn’t need to be anyone special. I don’t like broom boy as much as anyone else out there.

I’m not against the idea of lineage playing a part in being more in tune with the force. Obviously family was always a part of that, like you said, from ANH right on to ROTJ. I just hate how the prequels stopped it from being something anyone could do, if they really wanted to, and made it a cold, sterile, sci-fi blood thing. “You can only use the force if you’re a force sensitive, and therefore we, the Jedi, the heroes of the saga, kidnap infants at birth if they got the magic midichlorians”.

If anything, this is just another example of TROS’s failure. It’s vaguely hinted at, and explained outside the film that Finn was beginning to feel the Force, and that more and more people were getting in touch with that. But Disney said, no, China doesn’t like black people in their movies, so we gotta reduce his role as much as possible so we can cut him out of the Chinese edit. In fact, I think that’s the real reason he wasn’t allowed to sacrifice himself in TLJ. Not because RJ wanted him to be part of Rose’s weird backwards theme, but because if he had stopped the battering ram, he would have affected the plot, and it would have been harder to minimize his role for the Chinese version.
 
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I actually liked that the PT introduced the Force as being open to being used only by Force Sensitive beings, rather than something anyone could do, as I feel that it made people like Luke, Vader, Obi-wan special, and actually created an extra burden on them in terms of having this connection to something most others found either "hokey religions", or now extinct by the OT timeline.

What I didn't like was how badly Lucas tried to force it into less of a mystical thing that just so happened to pass through the Chosen One to his family, into the weird symbiotic organism. It would've even further highlighted how strange Anakin was that he could pass that strength in the Force to his children, when others couldn't.
 
Kind of predictable storyline,...see my quote from Jedi below

...also if Carrie hadn't died before completing the Trilogy, do you think it would have been a masterpiece

I don't think it would have been a lot different to what we got,...TROS would have still been back pedalling, trying to undo the damage of TLJ,....Trevorrow or not




Star Wars had lineage at its core right from the first conversation Ben had with Luke talking about his father, going onto Luke's conversation with Leia in Jedi, "You're wrong, Leia. You have that power too. In time you'll learn to use it as I have. The Force is strong in my family. My father has it...I have it...and...my sister has it.",....so the magic blood was always there

In the Prequels we see a multitude of diverse creatures, male & female who are Jedi's, so obviously they aren't all related

The Last Jedi's broomboy told us nothing new

J
The only difference would have been way more screen time for Leia. And maybe she would have survived. Would it have been a masterpiece? No. But then again I don't think Star Wars was or ever will be a masterpiece.

I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I don't feel that TROS back pedaled TLJ. The biggest change is Rey's lineage(maybe? I keep going back to Jett Lucas's comments about Anastasia).
 
I actually liked that the PT introduced the Force as being open to being used only by Force Sensitive beings, rather than something anyone could do, as I feel that it made people like Luke, Vader, Obi-wan special, and actually created an extra burden on them in terms of having this connection to something most others found either "hokey religions", or now extinct by the OT timeline.

What I didn't like was how badly Lucas tried to force it into less of a mystical thing that just so happened to pass through the Chosen One to his family, into the weird symbiotic organism. It would've even further highlighted how strange Anakin was that he could pass that strength in the Force to his children, when others couldn't.
Okay, that would have been interesting, as a concept, where typically it never runs in the family, but it does for him. But only that. Not what actually happened. But I don’t consider the whole “prophecy/chosen one” thing a part of the OT, just as I feel it’s an incredible disservice to those films to consider them “Anakin’s arc”, rather than Luke’s story that some subpar prequels got tacked on to 20 years later.
 
I always wished mediclorians had just been a byproduct thing, something that went WITH being force sensitive, not caused it. "what did you do?" "I took your medichlorian count" "what's that" "they're these little organisms, the live in all of us, but they flourish in those with a strong connection to the force. You should see master yoda's count, the little devils love him."

The EU had "force detectors" that were used to find possible students during the old republic era, and the empire used them to hunt down jedi, or find new "students" for whatever the emperor wanted.

They also had force sensitive lineages in the EU too, but it was never a sure bet. being from one of those families just hedged your bets.

I was over all pretty please with how IX handled the shake up to its plot. They did about as good a job as they could with having to fit a whole 8th movie in the first 20 minutes of the film. Unfortunately, I think that sort of loss of time available for telling a new story, meant they had to go with "ehhh, I guess palpatine spent the last few decades building mini death star things. they'll have to blow those up"
 
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