Mr Webber
Master Member
I always thought Darth Maul was an idiot for turning two into one, guess he leaned his lesson hard....Oh wait I forgot this is Disney Star Wars, he`s not dead either.
Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Post-release)
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Paul Andrew
Master Member
Actually he is, just not when you thought he died. But technically he came back during clone wars, before the sale, and George had Filoni bring him back. But I'm sure this falls into the "OT is a shining hill to which we may only aspire, and everything George did later I consider bunk" section.
Mr Webber
Master Member
Nah, its just the either you lap up rubbish compared to gold or you dont section. Its not complicated.
ADDITION : I`ve only seen Maul in two things, TPM and Solo, pardon my lack of knowledge of the side dish material. Was still a good joke anyway.
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Jagjaguwar
Sr Member
Yep, the one I got wasn’t even an issue. And someone did say there were a hundred, contained in a video, when there aren’t. There ARE a few, as I noted. And as there are in pretty much everything, as I noted.First complains about not getting 1 then now whines about not getting 100. Keeping up with the Kool Aid drinkers is nearly as hard as keeping up with the so called plot.
“Kool-Aid drinker” is an interesting description for someone who has shown the ability to like some things while being critical of other things in TROS. I think I’ve been more balanced in that than you have. But whatever.
Interceptors didn’t, as far as I know. TIE Advanced (Vader’s from ANH) did, according to sources outside the movies. In the movies alone, was it ever said that run of the mill TIEs lacked hyperdrives? I’ve always thought they didn’t, but the quote I can think of related to it is the one from ANH where they say the small fighter ”couldn’t have gotten this far on its own,” or something. I have no clue why they didn’t avoid this issue by just having Ben find a spare TIE Advanced.
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Joek3rr
Master Member
True. I am just guessing on that. Star Wars isn't clear on what allows people to disappear and become ghosts. Qui-Gon died, didn't vanish but could communicate with the living. Yoda and Obi-Wan both went through some kind of training, they vanished and appear as ghosts. Anakin didn't vanish, but still became a ghost. So who knows what's really going on.
Mr Webber
Master Member
You mean the video you said you didnt watch all of? Dont worry about it, its got nearly 700K views in just 24 hours anyway.
Didnt know it was a contest. I'll be sure to put in a good word for your participation medal.
Wow, they all come in at once, its like a Sith ability.
Jagjaguwar
Sr Member
I thought viewer numbers were meaningless? Or was that just about movies?
And it’s not a contest. The point was that the term used didn’t make sense.
Mr Webber
Master Member
What that has to do with anything is beyond me, you may have to expand on that.
What makes sense to some and not to others has been well documented already, and is still as it seems.
Jagjaguwar
Sr Member
For the first point- multiple times it’s been brought up that “most people” disliked the Sequel Trilogy movies. At which point someone would invariably bring up the box office numbers, which show that a huge number of people are buying tickets. And the response was that no matter how many people watch or pay for something, that doesn’t necessarily make that thing “good.” (I don’t disagree.)
So, then, does the fact that 700k people watched this YouTuber have any bearing on whether what he recorded is “good?”
As for your second point- care to elaborate? This seems like a veiled attempt at saying I’m not able to “make sense” of things that others can. Maybe I’m misunderstanding? If not, I’m pretty sure that sort of comment is frowned upon in the Community Guidelines.
Mr Webber
Master Member
If you feel like that is something against community guidelines then go right ahead and report it instead of making a "veiled" attempt at threatening to.
While we are talking about numbers, this is fascinating...
‘Star Wars’ Box Office: ‘Rise Of Skywalker’ Won’t Top ‘Rogue One’
While we are talking about numbers, this is fascinating...
‘Star Wars’ Box Office: ‘Rise Of Skywalker’ Won’t Top ‘Rogue One’
Jagjaguwar
Sr Member
I’m not making any veiled threats of anything. Let’s move on.
It’s a bit surprising how far short of the early projections TROS has ended up falling. I expected it would do worse than TLJ, as diminishing returns in each successive episode of a trilogy seems to be a bit of a Star Wars tradition (except maybe ROTS? I don’t remember off-hand.) As someone who preferred Rogue One to any of the ST movies I can say it doesn’t really bother me.
edit: I’ll add here that it probably does and should bother Disney. I don’t think we’re in a “sky is falling” situation where heads will start rolling from the top down, but based on the “We’ll figure out the overarching story as we go, it’ll be fine!” method of making this trilogy, it’s safe to say they thought this was going to be easy. It’s not.
Were it not for Mandalorian, I think there’d be reason to be skeptical of where the franchise goes from here, and what sort of lessons the people who made the ST might have learned about what to do and what NOT to do. My hope is that whatever movies do come next will have fresh faces at the helm. I’m obviously not one who thinks that Kathleen Kennedy has been the worst thing to ever happen to Star Wars, but I think a change there might be a welcome one.
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Mr Webber
Master Member
I agree about and really like Rogue One, it is far and away the best thing Disney Star Wars has produced from the film department but my opinions are more extreme in regards to how things have been handled overall and who is responsible for that. The fact that this is likely to come in around $300 million under TLJ, the film that in my opinion caused this demise, is a scathing indictment on the decision makers. The Mandalorian certainly shows the tide may be turning and the abandonment of the trilogy format also gives some hope. They have learned a very hard lesson about what to do and what not to do with Star Wars.
Jagjaguwar
Sr Member
It’ll always be weird to me that Rogue One was so ridiculously closely tied to ANH as far as time period, and the events in entailed, yet somehow they managed not to really “step on the toes” of the OT, from what I can think of. The movie literally runs right up against the start of ANH. (Now with a little time to think about what issues people had with R1, I remember discussion of Vader’s armor looking different between the end of R1 and beginning of ANH, and a few other things like that. But even still.)
Meanwhile this trilogy was long enough after the OT in both our years and in-universe years that it could have been the same, but in each movie there seem to be a few things that drive some die-hard SW fans nuts. Not sure if they just didn’t realize these as they were going along, or if they didn’t care. It’s odd either way.
Meanwhile this trilogy was long enough after the OT in both our years and in-universe years that it could have been the same, but in each movie there seem to be a few things that drive some die-hard SW fans nuts.
Not sure if they just didn’t realize these as they were going along, or if they didn’t care. It’s odd either way.
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ConvergencePro
Master Member
Mostly because R1 doesn’t really do anything to harm the OT or it’s characters. Meanwhile the ST is a slaughter-fest of our original hero’s having all their achievements and character arcs stripped from them before being unceremoniously killed off so that our new hero’s can do all the same things again but this time with horrendous writing and no real character arcs or substance of any kind
I like R1 but I can fully acknowledge it has a ton of issues. The world, events, and how characters act and react to things also feels substantially more believable as a whole (not always, but if we want to quantify the issues for sheer numerical comparison we certainly can) when compared to how people act in the ST.
also the excuse for why the FO don’t fire at the Radis can’t be the shields because if I remember right they immediately train their “fleet killer” guns on the Radis after destroying the base, so it’s sheer incompetence for the sake of the movie needing to happen
I like R1 but I can fully acknowledge it has a ton of issues. The world, events, and how characters act and react to things also feels substantially more believable as a whole (not always, but if we want to quantify the issues for sheer numerical comparison we certainly can) when compared to how people act in the ST.
also the excuse for why the FO don’t fire at the Radis can’t be the shields because if I remember right they immediately train their “fleet killer” guns on the Radis after destroying the base, so it’s sheer incompetence for the sake of the movie needing to happen
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Jagjaguwar
Sr Member
That’s one way of putting it
I actually thought Han’s arc was pretty good, his character in the sequels (the one he was in, at least) didn’t roll back what his character had been, I don’t think, and his death seemed to have the most resonance both for characters in the movies and for audiences, but I would agree that the send-off for Leia in particular kinda flopped.
I know Luke’s death was the most controversial of the 3, but I didn’t hate it as much as some, it’s not how I would’ve written him out but dying while deep in a meditative sort of state like he did worked for me, as far as the sort of ending of life that Jedi would aspire to, in a spiritual sort of sense. I know most disagree so we don’t need to argue that again, just IMO.
As for the more minor heroes like Ackbar and Nien Nunb dying off-screen, well... that’s just sad, and as fans we deserved something a bit better.
Still can’t believe they brought paps back.. I stayed spoiler free from this movie and figured he was a tease
We were going to see a flash back, or a hologram.. maybe just voices of a sith cursed artifact..
3 weeks before the movie came out cable started promoting the hell out of it with commercials.. I closed my eyes during the commercials because I felt they were showing way too much
It wasn’t until they started with all the lines from the emperor.. I kept saying “naaah they aren’t going to do this.. no way”
First paragraph in the scroll we heard the entire audience .. which was maybe half the theater full if lucky go
Heeeeeeehhhhh...
Can not believe this is what we got... I can not for the life of my believe what I’m going to say next... but I’m gonna say it
It’s coming out... here we go...
I like the last Jedi better...
We were going to see a flash back, or a hologram.. maybe just voices of a sith cursed artifact..
3 weeks before the movie came out cable started promoting the hell out of it with commercials.. I closed my eyes during the commercials because I felt they were showing way too much
It wasn’t until they started with all the lines from the emperor.. I kept saying “naaah they aren’t going to do this.. no way”
First paragraph in the scroll we heard the entire audience .. which was maybe half the theater full if lucky go
Heeeeeeehhhhh...
Can not believe this is what we got... I can not for the life of my believe what I’m going to say next... but I’m gonna say it
It’s coming out... here we go...
I like the last Jedi better...
Jagjaguwar
Sr Member
I think I’m gonna be sick
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