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Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Post-release)
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Got this email late last night...
so she checked to prove me wrong!!!
she was saying all this crawl stuff in front of Carrie!
how dare she!
When I think Star Wars opening crawl, I go right to the Star Wars without one!
FWIW: My understanding is she left social media because she wasn't ready for the sudden fame TLJ gave her.
My take on social media: It's a wretched hive of scum and villainy.
Joek3rr
Master Member
I don't how to answer. Yes? No? Maybe?
Let me see if I can put thoughts into words.
Star Wars is a universe where little alien 50 year old toddlers can heal people. 9 year old kid is driving racing vehicles, and a starfighter. And an old wrinkled man is shooting lightning from his fingers.
So a young man's sudden jump in power and abilities, is pretty low on the weird stuff that happens in Star Wars.
Does that make sense?
I left social media cuz I found I was getting all riled up about the end of the world, and none of my friends were remotely worked up... they were all chill.... because, unlike me, they didn't have twitter.
I got rid of twitter... sooooo much better.
I Think they say only 10% of US/CAN is on Twitter... but that 10 % are just AT EACHOTHER.
Best to live in MOVIE WORLD! where drama is getting shut down for suggesting the Holdo maneuver.
I bet Charlie was repeatedly smacking his forehead at 2 am that night "stupid... stupid...I knew they wouldn't let me do it."
ConvergencePro
Master Member
Lol I want it to be canon now that it was him that Holdo Maneuvered the SD over Endor in the end scene just as a "FU Now it's a 1/500,000 chance!"
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cboath
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He had weeks with Yoda in ESB - it's never really clarified. Faced Vader, got his butt handed to him.
In ROTJ which is a year or two down the road...starts off in crawl saying Luke is now an experienced jedi knight (IIRC), implies he's been training a lot in that time frame.
Yet, some want to have a problem with him being competent against vader in ROTJ?
Meanwhile In a span of what? 2-3 days? Rey goes from never seeing a saber before to easily outdoing a wounded Kylo and then whipping up on multiple royal guards and coming to a draw with a healthy Kylo - all with pretty much NO training at all - and the same people think that's just fine?
Lol I wan't it to be canon now that it was him that Holdo Maneuvered the SD over Endor in the end scene just as a "FU Now it's a 1/500,000 chance!"
Oh man yes. Him just sitting on the bridge... ready to pull the lightspeed.
"Show them... 1 in a million. Shut me down. jerk"
Luke didn't spend his entire youth fighting for his life.
We saw one day of Rey and she's fighting two guys for BB-8... then after getting shafted for her parts by the guy who owns her... fights off another two guys for BB-8
What she didn't say was "oh man! Suddenly I'm fighting for my life! What gives?!"
That's why its condescending to her for someone she's never seen (Fin), to come to her planet, and constantly lead her around like she's helpless.
Luke had his butt handed to him by a Sandperson. Cuz he's a coddled farm boy.
Rey carried a melee weapon with her whole life... enough so she made it into her saber.
Oh my god it is 2017....
Joek3rr
Master Member
It's around a yearish. ESB took place in 3 ABY, and ROTJ in 4 ABY. The real clincher is when he built his lightsaber. If we go off the deleted scene. He built it moments before putting in Artoo. So he hasn't had any time to practice with it.
The guards had magical disappearing weapons. Don't forget, Rey had practice with 'her stick'.
Jagjaguwar
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The passage of time is about as clearly laid out as the limits of the Force.
That is to say, it’s not really explicitly stated at all, in the movies themselves.
If that’s incorrect, I’d like to know where exactly in the films it states that Yoda trained Luke for several weeks, or how much time exactly passed between ESB and ROTJ (heck, how about between any of these movies?), or over how many days the events of TFA and TLJ take place.
I do know about the BBY/ABY system of measuring time, but that was created after the films, as far as I know, as a way of making sense of the EU. And according to some, as previously mentioned in this thread in relation to “plot holes” in TROS that are explained by accompanying books and other sources, if it’s not in the movie itself, that’s not good enough.
That is to say, it’s not really explicitly stated at all, in the movies themselves.
If that’s incorrect, I’d like to know where exactly in the films it states that Yoda trained Luke for several weeks, or how much time exactly passed between ESB and ROTJ (heck, how about between any of these movies?), or over how many days the events of TFA and TLJ take place.
I do know about the BBY/ABY system of measuring time, but that was created after the films, as far as I know, as a way of making sense of the EU. And according to some, as previously mentioned in this thread in relation to “plot holes” in TROS that are explained by accompanying books and other sources, if it’s not in the movie itself, that’s not good enough.
jettajeffro
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Excuse me while I go cry now:
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I couldn't really make out the pilots that well in the scene but I was wondering the importance of that closeup. I didn't realize the ship went down completely as well.
STAR WARS: THE RISE OF SKYWALKER Killed Off Another Original Trilogy Character And No One Even Noticed
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I couldn't really make out the pilots that well in the scene but I was wondering the importance of that closeup. I didn't realize the ship went down completely as well.
Jaitea
Master Member
In my head I'd like to think Luke returned to Yoda between ESB & ROTJ,....when he asks Yoda 'Is Darth Vader my Father' he emphasises 'Is' as though he had asked him before but Yoda had shrugged it off before,....he had a more mature attempt at training,....started assembling a new lightsabre with Yoda's guidance,....but had to leave to meet the others for Han's rescue
A year gives time for other things to happen, then Lando to infiltrate Jabba's Palace before they meet up for the rescue.....head-canon i suppose
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A year gives time for other things to happen, then Lando to infiltrate Jabba's Palace before they meet up for the rescue.....head-canon i suppose
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Joek3rr
Master Member
Hmmmm but in ROTJ Luke says he has a promise to an old friend. Which is meant to be his promise in ESB to return. Yes?
Joek3rr
Master Member
That's true. I think the only time in the films that the passage of time is talked about is in ATOC. When Anakin he says he hasn't seen Padmé in 10 years.
HeartBlade
Sr Member
sure you could say Luke’s training is a joke since it did go by quick on screen without a montage but he did still train and despite that training, he is toyed with by Vader.
it’s implied he trained a lot with the sole purpose of defeating Vader for RotJ so was more prepared. He was faring better but still not strong enough/kind of getting his butt kicked until he tapped into his rage to overwhelm Vader with strikes. I also think Vader was holding back due to several factors:
1) he knows Luke is is son for sure and that feeling has begun to stir hesitance in him to kill.
2) it’s implied Palpatine ordered him not to kill Luke (so Luke can replace him as his new apprentice).
3) he is freaking old. Vader is in his 50s at least and the force in the OT wasn’t was it was in the prequels. Force pushing/flashy combat wasn’t much of a thing so its implied that in a lightsaber battle, youth and stamina are still relevant to fights
I think It makes the Vader removing his mask reveal that much more effective. It both humanizes Vader but also shows significant weakness, that under all that black intimidating armor he is a crippled old man.
now the prequels do seem to alter this (Yoda and Sidious are jumping around despite being much older than Vader due to the force and Dooku is quite spry) but stamina and physical prowess are still factors in a fight (one of the reasons why Qui Gon lost to Maul was age and stamina while Obi Wan and Anakin show Obi wan being out of breath despite being on the defensive the entire time)
HeartBlade
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Regarding Rey’s former experience, it may have made more sense if she was using a sword all her life but it was a staff which is a different type of weapon with a different stance. Sure there is some cross-over skills but saying she would be equally proficient is like saying a boxer would be able to trade blows with a fencer despite it being the first time picking up a sword because he had prior boxing experience.
what’s weird is we also see that Rey is clearly out-matched at the beginning of the fight in TFA. She spends most of the time running away from Kylo and getting some thrusts deflected. It’s when she “taps into the force” she suddenly becomes incredibly proficient. This could be a fluke, hinting a hidden past, etc so is fine. I didn’t have a problem with this scene tbh.
what I did have a problem with is we learn in TLJ that she is a nobody, no one special. Which means she shouldn’t be any stronger in the force than anyone else, any special training, etc. yet in the throne room, she is fighting just as effectively as Kylo Ren against the guards, has equal force power proficiency to a skywalker who was chosen by Snoke because of his legacy, and achieves this without any real training except for swinging at a rock formation once.
to explain this as because she is a dyad she gets equal skills and powers to Kylo who worked his ass off is both bad writing and boring.
what’s weird is we also see that Rey is clearly out-matched at the beginning of the fight in TFA. She spends most of the time running away from Kylo and getting some thrusts deflected. It’s when she “taps into the force” she suddenly becomes incredibly proficient. This could be a fluke, hinting a hidden past, etc so is fine. I didn’t have a problem with this scene tbh.
what I did have a problem with is we learn in TLJ that she is a nobody, no one special. Which means she shouldn’t be any stronger in the force than anyone else, any special training, etc. yet in the throne room, she is fighting just as effectively as Kylo Ren against the guards, has equal force power proficiency to a skywalker who was chosen by Snoke because of his legacy, and achieves this without any real training except for swinging at a rock formation once.
to explain this as because she is a dyad she gets equal skills and powers to Kylo who worked his ass off is both bad writing and boring.
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