Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Post-release)

[Joek3rr]

18 pages, did I miss that part where someone said that this would have been a lot better if......


Rey had sacrificed herself to kill Palpatine and Ben had lived to be the one the one in the last scene?



Seems pretty obvious to me

For me I see as Ben and Rey's inverse of Anakin and Padmé. Rather then Anakin drawing on his wife's life force to stay alive. Ben does the reverse and gives his life so that Rey can live.

 

[Joek3rr]

A lot of the stuff not related specifically to this movie do make sense.

Balance to the force means the removal of the dark side, not a balance of light and dark as stated by FPJ. The elimination of Palpatine and Vader was bringing balance (Anakin’s destiny) as was the defeat of Palpatine at the end I guess.

Everything else are critical problems brought up in this movie or this trilogy that also make the previous movie’s nonsense in the process though.

Why didn’t Yoda and Obi Wan fight Vader as force ghosts?

Why didn’t force ghosts intervene in order 66.

What is the point of the one? Is Rey the one? Is the one a generation thing?

As I see it balance is still equal parts light and dark. The thing is people like Palpatine have grown the Dark Side, so that it's so much more powerful then the Light. So that killing him balances out the Force.

 

[edge10]

Looks like punch guy got escorted out and phone guy got to stay.
Backwards world we're living in...

Please tell me you forgot the sarcasm tag. Rudeness sucks, but you can't just punch someone, as an adult.

 

[Joek3rr]

So with Palpatine wanting Rey to kill him, so that him and all the Sith can transfer to her. Is that what Palpatine was wanting when he was wanting Luke to kill him?

 

[Axlotl]

Please tell me you forgot the sarcasm tag. Rudeness sucks, but you can't just punch someone, as an adult.

I don't punch people. But I also don't go to the movies anymore because of jackoffs who can't stay off their phones.
Happens to me EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

 

[Paul Andrew]

Adam's last line was "ow!"

 

[RodanAZ]

Many people display rude, selfish and incosiderate behavior in public because they've never in their lives experienced any real consequence from it.

In general, I'd agree that adults shouldn't just punch each other. Then again, some people need to be punched.

 

[the Pawn]

Looks like punch guy got escorted out and phone guy got to stay.
Backwards world we're living in...

It’s a crime to hit someone even if you LOVE Star Wars. Punch guy overreacted or should have told management and had phone guy moved or removed. Punch guy is lucky if he wasn’t arrested.

 

[AJTaliesen]

18 pages, did I miss that part where someone said that this would have been a lot better if......


Rey had sacrificed herself to kill Palpatine and Ben had lived to be the one the one in the last scene?



Seems pretty obvious to me

I get How that might be cool, but here's why I disagree. I had a bit of an eye roll when I thought Rey died fighting Palpatine. Because that completed the Mary Sue cycle. Believe or or not, having her live is less of a Mary Sue thing that the sacrifice.

Add to that, her struggles with herself for most of the film, I felt like she was a much mote balanced character this time and it made me actually like her again.

 

[Potroclo]

This movie was the only time I could see any merit to the “Mary sue” argument. She kind of sleepwalks through a greatest hits of the OT, gets to play with all of the main characters toys (the Falcon, Red 5, Leia’s saber even) and then gets the happy ending after defeating the grandest evil that we’ve ever seen.

Yes but in this film we see her training! (And with none other than Leia) Which was the main argument of the Mary Sue critics. But you just give them time, they'll come up with something

 

[Captain Dunsel]

The Critical Drinker has weighed in...

 

[Halliwax]

Just noticed: NO Captain Phasma in this movie

When the hero’s get caught saving chewie and are on the ground looking up, Finn looks up towards the audience and I thought for sure she was going to step Into frame.. it was just a troopers leg lol

 

[Halliwax]

End Game was so perfectly paced...

I wonder if some of my issues would have been fixed if they had the 3 hours...

I don’t WANT a three hour movie, cuz I think End Game is a fluke... But the idea of some breathing room is nice...

End Game had to do a lot as well,

- intro killing thanos
- setup world post thanos
- ant man returns with idea
- tony turns down helping
- successful testing and reuniting
- all the collecting of the stones... all 6 in 3 different timelines
- combining and snapping back
- Final battle
- funeral

and they still got in a million quiet moments to pull at heart strings.

But you try and take 40 minutes out of that movie and they are going to chop the quiet long moments first.

And maybe thenEnd Gamewould’ve then felt to me like this flick... just rushing rushing rushing... trying to wrap it all up.

40 minutes is a lot of time.

a whole previous 8th movie run time would have been even better!

No 3 hour movies! I have a hard enough time holding it for 2.5 lol

 

[Captain Dunsel]

I couldn’t help but notice that this self-proclaimed “Real Star Wars Fan (tm)”, and man of the people, appeared to be a party of one in his mission to counter rudeness with even greater rudeness.

And, yes, if you boost the volume on the video, you can hear the unmistakable sounds of a diaper crinkling as he waddled out of the theater.


God be with you in your quest to see this film sir, as it appears that no one else will be.

 

[edge10]

I get How that might be cool, but here's why I disagree. I had a bit of an eye roll when I thought Rey died fighting Palpatine. Because that completed the Mary Sue cycle. Believe or or not, having her live is less of a Mary Sue thing that the sacrifice.

Add to that, her struggles with herself for most of the film, I felt like she was a much mote balanced character this time and it made me actually like her again.

But she got to have it both ways. She died, making her Mary Sue training complete, but got to come back, because... Rey!

 

[harrisonp]

streetjudge79

I THINK it’s implied that this is a cloned body, so no damage from the lightning in the Mace fight. It’s not really explained that well (or at all)

 

[Captain Dunsel]

streetjudge79

I THINK it’s implied that this is a cloned body, so no damage from the lightning in the Mace fight. It’s not really explained that well (or at all)

It’s a “Mystery Box” that need not be explained, remember? JJ doesn’t always open these mystery boxes and prefers that explanations as to plot and character motivations remain mint in box.

I love it when filmmakers say things like: “it’s not my job to tell you everything in a movie—it’s your job as a participant in the movie-watching experience to subjectively infer what is happening on-screen.” It’s a very effective way to avoid explanations regarding poor writing.

 

[Toadmeister]

So with Palpatine wanting Rey to kill him, so that him and all the Sith can transfer to her. Is that what Palpatine was wanting when he was wanting Luke to kill him?

Yes, that's my interpretation but I think this falls into a retcon at best.

 

[Joek3rr]

streetjudge79

I THINK it’s implied that this is a cloned body, so no damage from the lightning in the Mace fight. It’s not really explained that well (or at all)

Except that's not Sith lightning damage. That's just Palpatine's true form.

 

[Toadmeister]

Yes but in this film we see her training! (And with none other than Leia) Which was the main argument of the Mary Sue critics. But you just give them time, they'll come up with something [emoji38]

I thought the training sequence was a poor attempt to show Rey's not a Mary Sue. Mostly wasted screen time IMHO.

I know they tried also using it to build her relationship with Leia but given Carrie Fisher was deceased it resulted in a weak sequence.