CT1138
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I guess I'm just cuckoo for caca puffs.
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Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Post-release)
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HeartBlade
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growing up with PT, no it has not aged well as a story and still fails compared to the OT.
I do think it is hard to appreciate just how big the impact of OT is given how much Star Wars has steeped into common culture with laser swords, Vader’s breathing, but what makes it a classic for me is the more you read and learn about it, the more love you see in making the film and adding it's unique take in sci-fI for its time.
the big problem with PT was the near slavish need for Lucas to reference everything from the OT as well as just good ideas, poor execution. The ending of episode 1 was too divided into many threads and episode 2 was not good. I get what Lucas was going for but it just didn’t work. Episode 3 was the best of the 3 with great moments but also some dumb decisions that were basically need to happen to setup for OT.
ST is honestly an even worse PT with fewer excuses. While PT is basically hampered with the need to set up OT, ST could have been anything. Rey could have been a completely different Star Wars character and Finn had amazing potential (first legitimate cowardly Star Wars character). Yet, they decide to retread OT, have an even more boring protagonist with Rey while regulating Finn to the bin and add cultural-specific jokes with episode 8 (your mama jokes were already dated by 2010). Essentially, these“funny” scenes will further date the film and almost ensure that the film can’t age well.
I do think it is hard to appreciate just how big the impact of OT is given how much Star Wars has steeped into common culture with laser swords, Vader’s breathing, but what makes it a classic for me is the more you read and learn about it, the more love you see in making the film and adding it's unique take in sci-fI for its time.
the big problem with PT was the near slavish need for Lucas to reference everything from the OT as well as just good ideas, poor execution. The ending of episode 1 was too divided into many threads and episode 2 was not good. I get what Lucas was going for but it just didn’t work. Episode 3 was the best of the 3 with great moments but also some dumb decisions that were basically need to happen to setup for OT.
ST is honestly an even worse PT with fewer excuses. While PT is basically hampered with the need to set up OT, ST could have been anything. Rey could have been a completely different Star Wars character and Finn had amazing potential (first legitimate cowardly Star Wars character). Yet, they decide to retread OT, have an even more boring protagonist with Rey while regulating Finn to the bin and add cultural-specific jokes with episode 8 (your mama jokes were already dated by 2010). Essentially, these“funny” scenes will further date the film and almost ensure that the film can’t age well.
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mattycsi
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Finally got round to seeing this recently.
I'll give JJ points for really trying to get that ship upright, but it was too little too late. It felt desperate.
It could have been a decent final act if the whole trilogy had been going that way in the first place, but it was too disconnected for my liking. I think Ep8 killed it dead in the water.
It's a shame as I was really pumped after Ep7 and couldnt wait for more. Now I have lost most of my interest in SW.
I'll give JJ points for really trying to get that ship upright, but it was too little too late. It felt desperate.
It could have been a decent final act if the whole trilogy had been going that way in the first place, but it was too disconnected for my liking. I think Ep8 killed it dead in the water.
It's a shame as I was really pumped after Ep7 and couldnt wait for more. Now I have lost most of my interest in SW.
I thought a “Dyad” is what children in the American South phonetically called their dads? All this time, I had thought that they were saying that the combined force of Rylo created an all-powerful paterfamilias.
Huh; I truly learn something new every day.
Huh; I truly learn something new every day.
Laspector
Master Member
No, phonetically, we call them "Deddy."
And on that subject, have you ever known anyone who actually called their father "Father?"...No, you haven't...Why do they do that in movies? When I was a kid, if we ever knew a kid who did that, we'd've beat the crap out of him.
CT1138
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mattycsi
Master Member
Over here in the North East of England it is used a lot. Although pronounced Fatha and Mutha.
Gotta be a little impressed that this thread is still active!
I still think JJ did the best that could be expected with the corner TLJ painted him into, but all in all, the entire trilogy (and in some ways even the Prequels) are like fan fiction in my personal canon. Like maybe Ben solo ended up NOT having force powers and instead grew up to be a writer, so he wrote these stories.
I think in a lot of ways we were lucky to grow up with the originals because there are things that were implied by the originals that were (in my opinion) pretty incredible that the later movies kind of ruined. Not always even things that actually WERE in the originals, just things my own imagination added, that later movies negated. So in the end I just made the decision to erase them from that timeline.
When I look at it like that..I can enjoy them more. When you can overlook the damage it does to the overall story, and just look at it as a stand alone...Rey becomes a very likable character thats fun to root for.
I still think JJ did the best that could be expected with the corner TLJ painted him into, but all in all, the entire trilogy (and in some ways even the Prequels) are like fan fiction in my personal canon. Like maybe Ben solo ended up NOT having force powers and instead grew up to be a writer, so he wrote these stories.
I think in a lot of ways we were lucky to grow up with the originals because there are things that were implied by the originals that were (in my opinion) pretty incredible that the later movies kind of ruined. Not always even things that actually WERE in the originals, just things my own imagination added, that later movies negated. So in the end I just made the decision to erase them from that timeline.
When I look at it like that..I can enjoy them more. When you can overlook the damage it does to the overall story, and just look at it as a stand alone...Rey becomes a very likable character thats fun to root for.
HeartBlade
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I personally felt that the Disney trilogy left the characters as wasted potential. I think Rey could have been much more relatable and thus interesting if she actually faced some struggles, notably in episode 8. I actually felt more sympathy and enjoyed Kylo Ren more because he went through a much deeper character arc of near constant failure back to reconnecting with his parents and redemption.
I also feel bad about Finn and dislike Poe for those reasons as well. Finn really doesn’t achieve much and honestly felt more like a C-3PO character than one of the new core 3, just being there and often as the butt of jokes. Poe, on the otherhand, was almost too competent as a pilot (he nearly takes down a star destroyer by himself with an X-wing). I do think the actor for Poe is good but his existence essentially removed the spot I think Finn was supposed to eventually fill by the end of the story.
Joek3rr
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Why does everyone assume that Palpatine could see and hear and more importantly feel everything that Snoke does? Palpatine wasn't possessing Snoke's body.
So much for "breaking barriers" in Star Wars.
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'Star Wars' star John Boyega says Disney used his race to market the movies then sidelined him
John Boyega has slated Disney for using his race to market 'Star Wars', before sidelining his character in the movies.
HMSwolfe
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It’s Disney. They want to straddle that line to get as many people to see their crap as possible. It’s the same reason they really didn’t do anything with romance in this trilogy. If they did a straight relationship, they risked alienating the LGBTQ community. If they did a gay relationship, they risked alienating more conservative types. What’s their solution? Don’t do anything! With Finn, they used him to play to progressive/inclusive crowds in the marketing here, but overseas they drastically reduced his character so the film would play well in China. (To be clear, I am not inviting a discussion about any perceived politics of the film, merely remarking on the scumminess of Disney in their handling of the films.)
And people have rebutted this before, saying “well they’re a business, they have to make money, what did you expect, yada yada yada,” but my point is that films use to be a marriage between art and business, riding a fine line of profitability and creativity, whereas nowadays, most big films are market-tested, soulless, committee-driven piles of bland. In an age where executives are more worried about public image, $2 billion box office returns, and sweet, sweet Chinese money, these big blockbusters pale in comparison to simpler times, when filmmakers weren’t handed $250 million and told to come back with eight times that amount with very little choice or creativity in the how that was done.
And people have rebutted this before, saying “well they’re a business, they have to make money, what did you expect, yada yada yada,” but my point is that films use to be a marriage between art and business, riding a fine line of profitability and creativity, whereas nowadays, most big films are market-tested, soulless, committee-driven piles of bland. In an age where executives are more worried about public image, $2 billion box office returns, and sweet, sweet Chinese money, these big blockbusters pale in comparison to simpler times, when filmmakers weren’t handed $250 million and told to come back with eight times that amount with very little choice or creativity in the how that was done.
I'm aware of all of that and also not surprised by any of it either. Nor am I surprised by John Boyega coming forward now that the trilogy is over and he is no longer under contract. He said as much at throughout the production of 8 and 9 that once it was all said and done he had some things to say about the whole experience and it wasn't going to be positive.
In fact I'm glad someone at the center of it all is speaking the truth about it. It may well severely diminish his career for speaking his mind but I have to respect him for doing it. It just makes me laugh in some ways because it shatters this false veneer of positivity that Lucasfilm seems to want to insulate themselves with as though they are making really significant strides in storytelling.
In fact I'm glad someone at the center of it all is speaking the truth about it. It may well severely diminish his career for speaking his mind but I have to respect him for doing it. It just makes me laugh in some ways because it shatters this false veneer of positivity that Lucasfilm seems to want to insulate themselves with as though they are making really significant strides in storytelling.
robn1
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Nothing, that's the point.
Joek3rr
Master Member
Leading First Order ex-stormtroopers like himself as a General in the Resistance in a charge to defeat evil.
HeartBlade
Sr Member
Saying Star Wars was making strides by casting Finn is BS.
Star Wars has a ton of diversity and would have had more if things had gone different.
Sure the OT main cast is all white but Ben Kenobi could have been Japanese as well as Vader (that would have really messed the reveal lol).
Star Wars is also heavily influenced by Japanese movies like Rashamon, nevermind the Jedi robes and Vader’s armor, hence why it is so loved in Japan. I really dislike the narrative that Disney made Star Wars “more diverse” when their “minority main character” Finn contributes less to the story than secondary minority character Lando.
Star Wars has a ton of diversity and would have had more if things had gone different.
Sure the OT main cast is all white but Ben Kenobi could have been Japanese as well as Vader (that would have really messed the reveal lol).
Star Wars is also heavily influenced by Japanese movies like Rashamon, nevermind the Jedi robes and Vader’s armor, hence why it is so loved in Japan. I really dislike the narrative that Disney made Star Wars “more diverse” when their “minority main character” Finn contributes less to the story than secondary minority character Lando.
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