Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Pre-release)
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Its possible that whilst the tree was growing it will have put out deep growing roots that may have encountered rare elements (such as tiny kyber crystals) or microscopic organisms ( such as the midichlorians) that have combined with its own cellular biology, making it "Force" enabled.
I imagine either this will be "passed on" to humans and aliens by close contact with it, by either ingesting or breathing it in or perhaps the sheer quantity of midichlorians in a living organisim start to generate a "Force" field.
Which is a bit of a ripoff of the basis of Larry Nivens "Protector" novel, though that was a clever riff on the Adam and Eve fable, but science fictionalized.
Its as unromantic as hell incomparisson to ANHs Obi-wans description, that had grandeur and didn't need any explanation, you just accepted it with your heart. This is as boring as a biology lesson but if they intend to keep it as close to Georges prequel "description" as to how the Force may work it may be the way they may go ( unless they leave it as a mysterious experience of the soul ( as opposed to a hallucinogenic compound like angel dust with LSD visions,which again are generated by biological chemistries). I know Rian DOES write alot about that into his scripts ie Brick and Looper ,not to mention his involvement with "Breaking Bad".
But if Disney want "magical" I guess that may be it, but I keep remembering how "weird" the cast found the story when they commented on it ages back.
PS and I guess seedlings from THE TREE could be planted on other worlds.
Its possible that whilst the tree was growing it will have put out deep growing roots that may have encountered rare elements (such as tiny kyber crystals) or microscopic organisms ( such as the midichlorians) that have combined with its own cellular biology, making it "Force" enabled.
I imagine either this will be "passed on" to humans and aliens by close contact with it, by either ingesting or breathing it in or perhaps the sheer quantity of midichlorians in a living organisim start to generate a "Force" field.
Which is a bit of a ripoff of the basis of Larry Nivens "Protector" novel, though that was a clever riff on the Adam and Eve fable, but science fictionalized.
Its as unromantic as hell incomparisson to ANHs Obi-wans description, that had grandeur and didn't need any explanation, you just accepted it with your heart. This is as boring as a biology lesson but if they intend to keep it as close to Georges prequel "description" as to how the Force may work it may be the way they may go ( unless they leave it as a mysterious experience of the soul ( as opposed to a hallucinogenic compound like angel dust with LSD visions,which again are generated by biological chemistries). I know Rian DOES write alot about that into his scripts ie Brick and Looper ,not to mention his involvement with "Breaking Bad".
But if Disney want "magical" I guess that may be it, but I keep remembering how "weird" the cast found the story when they commented on it ages back.
PS and I guess seedlings from THE TREE could be planted on other worlds.
harrisonp
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If you're referring to how Rey has the visions when touching the saber I think that is within her, not the hilt itself, though it could be said that such storied usage had imprinted itself onto the object. I personally think she is an empath/telepath via touch, which allowed her to see what she did.
R2 I felt was given word from Luke that Rey would be coming, and so he ran in low power mode until she showed up, but there has always been something special about that little droid, even if I'm not one to accept that he is potentially Force sensitive
If you're referring to how Rey has the visions when touching the saber I think that is within her, not the hilt itself, though it could be said that such storied usage had imprinted itself onto the object. I personally think she is an empath/telepath via touch, which allowed her to see what she did.
R2 I felt was given word from Luke that Rey would be coming, and so he ran in low power mode until she showed up, but there has always been something special about that little droid, even if I'm not one to accept that he is potentially Force sensitive
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That was my original thought as well. Had it been just for the map to Luke, R2 would have powered up when BB8 arrived and removed the cover off of him. The two of them could have put the map together and Leia could have flown off to find Luke. But that wasn't the case - at all. It wasn't until Rey showed up that R2 powered up. And it was Rey who flew off to find Luke - not Leia. It's almost as if Luke wanted Rey to find him. Could he have had a Force vision of the future?
During Rey's Force vision we see Luke touching R2s dome. Was this Luke's attempt to reach out to Rey through R2 or are we seeing Luke saying goodbye to his old friend before R2 powers down? Rey is also having dreams of the ocean and the island - the very place Luke is in hiding.
Also, it would be very interesting to find out if Lor San Tekka was on Jakku to watch over Rey much like Ben watched over Luke. There is nothing to connect the two yet but didn't early concept images show Tekka and Rey together?
This furthers my belief that Rey is a Skywalker.
That was my original thought as well. Had it been just for the map to Luke, R2 would have powered up when BB8 arrived and removed the cover off of him. The two of them could have put the map together and Leia could have flown off to find Luke. But that wasn't the case - at all. It wasn't until Rey showed up that R2 powered up. And it was Rey who flew off to find Luke - not Leia. It's almost as if Luke wanted Rey to find him. Could he have had a Force vision of the future?
During Rey's Force vision we see Luke touching R2s dome. Was this Luke's attempt to reach out to Rey through R2 or are we seeing Luke saying goodbye to his old friend before R2 powers down? Rey is also having dreams of the ocean and the island - the very place Luke is in hiding.
Also, it would be very interesting to find out if Lor San Tekka was on Jakku to watch over Rey much like Ben watched over Luke. There is nothing to connect the two yet but didn't early concept images show Tekka and Rey together?
This furthers my belief that Rey is a Skywalker.
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joshvanrad
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I think the finer points of the force don't matter. Let it be mystical. Let it be shrouded in darkness. If you need an explanation as to how the force works, you've missed the point of the force.
I think the finer points of the force don't matter. Let it be mystical. Let it be shrouded in darkness. If you need an explanation as to how the force works, you've missed the point of the force.
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Sourdoh
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I don't want to put too a fine point to this, but I keep fearing that we are going to have to agonize like this for ages to come before Episode VIII is released, and then the disappointment and griping will begin all over again (Episode VIII Post-Release), Then the Episode IX (Pre-Release) blather starts anew! It's a little scary, to be honest. Groundhog Day? Whew!
I don't want to put too a fine point to this, but I keep fearing that we are going to have to agonize like this for ages to come before Episode VIII is released, and then the disappointment and griping will begin all over again (Episode VIII Post-Release), Then the Episode IX (Pre-Release) blather starts anew! It's a little scary, to be honest. Groundhog Day? Whew!
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The mention of Dagobah and the Tree recalls I always wanted to know what Luke meant when he said " there is something familiar about this place "
Maybe the Tree could tie and it could be done in a cool way. Just don't go over board and all midichlorian again like most have said.
The mention of Dagobah and the Tree recalls I always wanted to know what Luke meant when he said " there is something familiar about this place "
Maybe the Tree could tie and it could be done in a cool way. Just don't go over board and all midichlorian again like most have said.
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I can see it both ways. They're basically antennae to help someone connect to the Force, and in the movie they needed to have a way for them to measure Anakin's Force ability. I would have rather had Qui Gon kind of reach out to Anakin's head (kind of like Obi Wan when healing Luke) to "read" Anakin and then say something like "By the Force... This is the most powerful person I've ever encountered!" and then have Yoda do the same to confirm it. BOOM, you've done the same thing without the midichlorians. Now if you did that there's no way to tell the audience that he might be the most powerful Force user ever because Yoda wasn't alive to know them all. When they give a number count for his midichlorians, the audience instantly knows that.
I can see it both ways. They're basically antennae to help someone connect to the Force, and in the movie they needed to have a way for them to measure Anakin's Force ability. I would have rather had Qui Gon kind of reach out to Anakin's head (kind of like Obi Wan when healing Luke) to "read" Anakin and then say something like "By the Force... This is the most powerful person I've ever encountered!" and then have Yoda do the same to confirm it. BOOM, you've done the same thing without the midichlorians. Now if you did that there's no way to tell the audience that he might be the most powerful Force user ever because Yoda wasn't alive to know them all. When they give a number count for his midichlorians, the audience instantly knows that.
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Some footage shown to licensees.
http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/
Some footage shown to licensees.
http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/
JD
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Not really Star Wars news - but, John Boyega has been cast in Kathryn Bigelow's untitled Detroit Riots movie that will be filming soon. Exciting news as the movie is scheduled to film in the city I grew up in and work for - rumor has it that they've already agreed to have us on standby and pay any overtime that will accrue.
Exciting stuff - for me, at least.
Not really Star Wars news - but, John Boyega has been cast in Kathryn Bigelow's untitled Detroit Riots movie that will be filming soon. Exciting news as the movie is scheduled to film in the city I grew up in and work for - rumor has it that they've already agreed to have us on standby and pay any overtime that will accrue.
Exciting stuff - for me, at least.
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I'm sure this has been discussed... however...
Have we touched on Rey's dreams of the ocean and island? Will these visions she's had be explained?
I'm sure this has been discussed... however...
Have we touched on Rey's dreams of the ocean and island? Will these visions she's had be explained?
Jaitea
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kristen jones
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yup... pretty much.
yup... pretty much.
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Has to be more to it... Was the Force guiding her to Luke or better yet... was Luke guiding her?
Has to be more to it... Was the Force guiding her to Luke or better yet... was Luke guiding her?
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Why? I think everything we see Rey experiencing in TFA has nothing to do with any outside influence other then the Force working through her. Luke may have been aware of her if he experienced similar visions that portended her arrival but I don't see Luke or snyone else's machinations orchestrating her journey other then The Force.
Why? I think everything we see Rey experiencing in TFA has nothing to do with any outside influence other then the Force working through her. Luke may have been aware of her if he experienced similar visions that portended her arrival but I don't see Luke or snyone else's machinations orchestrating her journey other then The Force.
kristen jones
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It could also have been as simple as her dreams being a premonition that she would go to Ach-To, and Kylo was able to glean that when he broke into her mind. I don't think she "knew" where the island was, or what it was. i think--for her at least--it was something that haunted her dreams.
It could also have been as simple as her dreams being a premonition that she would go to Ach-To, and Kylo was able to glean that when he broke into her mind. I don't think she "knew" where the island was, or what it was. i think--for her at least--it was something that haunted her dreams.
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Why? If it's nothing more than the Force then... ok... But... If Rey can see the ocean and the island, by the will of the Force, then, as you said, Luke saw and/or felt her or something that has to do with her? Sort of a connection to each other? If the Force combines and penetrates us then Luke should have been aware of Rey and her inevitable arrival just as Snoke felt an "Awakening". Luke must have felt something unless he has shielded himself from virtually everything.
But it also goes back to R2 suddenly waking up when Rey is on planet - not when BB8 returned with the map. Are the two connected? I don't know. It would be a neat twist.
We can't deny the expressions running across Luke's face at her arrival. What we dont know is what he was thinking. There was one expression where he showed sadness. Was this a reaction to seeing her? The saber? Han? We don't know. That's why I think there is something more.
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Oh I don't think she had any idea of what the dreams represented. But it's DEF a symbol of the Force working through her. How much of a symbol is the fun part. It's also very interesting that Kylo was so close to finding Luke at that very moment he mentions the ocean and the island.
Why? If it's nothing more than the Force then... ok... But... If Rey can see the ocean and the island, by the will of the Force, then, as you said, Luke saw and/or felt her or something that has to do with her? Sort of a connection to each other? If the Force combines and penetrates us then Luke should have been aware of Rey and her inevitable arrival just as Snoke felt an "Awakening". Luke must have felt something unless he has shielded himself from virtually everything.
But it also goes back to R2 suddenly waking up when Rey is on planet - not when BB8 returned with the map. Are the two connected? I don't know. It would be a neat twist.
We can't deny the expressions running across Luke's face at her arrival. What we dont know is what he was thinking. There was one expression where he showed sadness. Was this a reaction to seeing her? The saber? Han? We don't know. That's why I think there is something more.
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Oh I don't think she had any idea of what the dreams represented. But it's DEF a symbol of the Force working through her. How much of a symbol is the fun part. It's also very interesting that Kylo was so close to finding Luke at that very moment he mentions the ocean and the island.
Jaitea
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It's the same as Luke's vision in the tree/cave on Dagobah,....he saw the Bespin corridor as a premonition of his duel with Vader
& the Awakening/tremor in the force,.....because there are less players in the game,...the slightest disturbance is felt,.....as I've said before,.....like a fly landing on a spiders web
The R2 switch on, although feebly explained by JJ.....which could be him trying to conceal a sensible explanation by Luke in Ep 8......hopefully it was another one of R2's top secret missions,.....(stolen plans......Yoda, shhhh!!......Get a job as a barman for Jabba while hiding a lightsaber in your head type thing)
J
It's the same as Luke's vision in the tree/cave on Dagobah,....he saw the Bespin corridor as a premonition of his duel with Vader
& the Awakening/tremor in the force,.....because there are less players in the game,...the slightest disturbance is felt,.....as I've said before,.....like a fly landing on a spiders web
The R2 switch on, although feebly explained by JJ.....which could be him trying to conceal a sensible explanation by Luke in Ep 8......hopefully it was another one of R2's top secret missions,.....(stolen plans......Yoda, shhhh!!......Get a job as a barman for Jabba while hiding a lightsaber in your head type thing)
J
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