HanSolo2187
Active Member
Agree that the first shot of Yoda is terrible - looks like a cartoon. The subsequent close-ups, however, do resemble ROTJ Yoda. Was my favorite scene in the whole movie - was smiling the entire time.
Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release)
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Didn't Poe and Rey meet in The Force Awakens?
Toadmeister
Sr Member
Let's sit back and look at the 3 trilogies at a high level. The good and bad
E4-6: Luke's story. Vader's redemption. Rebels against the Empire. Epic Sci-Fi fantasy. Droids. The Force. Breakthrough in Hollywood visual effects storytelling. Spawns a merchandising empire and a generation of fans.
E1-3: Anakin's fall. Jedi Knights. Rise of Sidious, fall of the Republic. Clone wars. Lots of parallels between trilogies without being a copy. Gratuitous use of CGI storytelling.
E7-8 (& 9). Disney reboot of the OT. Mary Sue and a Vader wannabe. Kill off beloved OT heroes. RESISTANCE vs First Order. Visual feel of OT restored. Established EU cannon essentially trash-canned.
Where exactly is the Sequel trilogy going with one film left? What is the story arch?
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E4-6: Luke's story. Vader's redemption. Rebels against the Empire. Epic Sci-Fi fantasy. Droids. The Force. Breakthrough in Hollywood visual effects storytelling. Spawns a merchandising empire and a generation of fans.
E1-3: Anakin's fall. Jedi Knights. Rise of Sidious, fall of the Republic. Clone wars. Lots of parallels between trilogies without being a copy. Gratuitous use of CGI storytelling.
E7-8 (& 9). Disney reboot of the OT. Mary Sue and a Vader wannabe. Kill off beloved OT heroes. RESISTANCE vs First Order. Visual feel of OT restored. Established EU cannon essentially trash-canned.
Where exactly is the Sequel trilogy going with one film left? What is the story arch?
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Father
Sr Member
I was too distracted by the inconsistent ghost effect and how bad Yoda looked to enjoy the scene.
It also felt like the first time Luke had seen Yoda since ROTJ which would be pretty lame considering he and Annakin and Obi could have guided him with training the next gen of Jedi. Bad story telling and proof that they just shoehorned in OT characters without any real depth to any of them.
gedmac66
Sr Member
Yeah , considering both had a ( seemingly strong ) connection to Finn . It’s should be a given that he ( Finn ) from what we know about his character ( and his admiration for both ) would have been talking up a storm about them to the other !?
That's what I don't get. Star Wars is arguably the most nit-picked filmed series in history, and while this instance is just a minor detail, if you're gonna get this one wrong, it's easier to understand some of the bigger problems some people are having. To deliberately add the scripted line, "I'm Poe" is a head scratcher - certainly someone(s) in the production chain would have pointed this out? And if they did, was the answer, "Oh, they're not gonna care."
Kind of like Chewie and Leia after Han's death at the end of Force Awakens.
Kind of like Chewie and Leia after Han's death at the end of Force Awakens.
Nitz146
Well-Known Member
Yea I don't quite get this. Do they think we didn't assume that they met here? Either that or that Poe Dameron fella is one smooth flirting character.
Fawbish
Sr Member
Don't think there is anything wrong with them being in the same room but never having met officially. Do we know all the names of all the characters in every scene? So why would they?
Haven't seen that scene again for a while to check, so if there is something more fair enough.
But just because you're in a room with multiple people doesn't mean you've been introduced to each other.
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Top - it is, but what % of those nitpicks are valid? I'd wager its actually quite a low %.
Bottom - this one was a definite valid one though. It was a very missed moment - I hope that at least it existed in the script.
gedmac66
Sr Member
@ Fawbish ,
Fair point regarding knowing the names of all the characters in any given scene , but taking into account that these three are major ones with a common link between them ( from screen time / plot spent in TFA ) , it just seems ‘ weird ‘ !? It doesn’t ‘ feel right ‘ . It’s almost as if RJ didn’t care to embellish upon what was already happening !? LOL !!!
I agree that , in the scheme of what didn’t make much sense in this film - it’s pretty small .
Fair point regarding knowing the names of all the characters in any given scene , but taking into account that these three are major ones with a common link between them ( from screen time / plot spent in TFA ) , it just seems ‘ weird ‘ !? It doesn’t ‘ feel right ‘ . It’s almost as if RJ didn’t care to embellish upon what was already happening !? LOL !!!
I agree that , in the scheme of what didn’t make much sense in this film - it’s pretty small .
Shadow345
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Pretty good movie. Not really sure that everywhere I look on YouTube has to be a negative review.
But if the franchise can survive the fan fallout of The Phantom Menace I guess it can survive this.
This movie had lightsaber fights with all the balletic majesty of a samurai swordfight in a Kurosawa film. That alone is a major strength.
But if the franchise can survive the fan fallout of The Phantom Menace I guess it can survive this.
This movie had lightsaber fights with all the balletic majesty of a samurai swordfight in a Kurosawa film. That alone is a major strength.
Tan Djarka
Sr Member
I went to see it yesterday, thinking not too many would be there. My show of choice was sold out and the next only had two seats left in the front, so I gave up on seeing it all (that day, I've already seen it twice). For what it's worth, good, bad, or otherwise, it is still making money.
I wasn’t going to do this because something about these new films makes people get weird, but then I decided not to care.
I liked the film overall, it was enjoyable and the new cast is great, but picking apart Star Wars is kind of what we do.
So…some problems I had:
Laura Dern. I’m surprised this hasn’t been mentioned honestly, but I thought this was terrible casting. I love her as an actress, she’s actually one of my favorites and I just saw her in another movie (The Founder) where she was excellent…and to be fair to her, she did an excellent job with what she was given in this too, but the fact is, not every actor can play every role and she’s just not believable as a general. I can see her “resisting” by making signs or running an anti-first order underground newspaper somewhere on Coruscant, or even, in a real pinch helping out with the fighting when I came down to it…but not joining the military and spending years there moving up the ranks.
Running out of Fuel is lazy writing…I’ll have to watch again, but did they actually say “run out of fuel?” I think they did. The reason this is lazy is that it could have been fixed without changing the story simply by changing it from “Run out of fuel in X hours” to “They will burn out their power cells if they run that hot for X hours”. The plot stays exactly the same, but instead of Star Wars ships suddenly needing gas stations, it just goes to “You can’t red line for hours on end without some kind of overload.” Maybe they did...am I remembering this wrong?
Others have said it before: Rey is officially Mary Sue now. It was VERY odd in the last movie that she had so many abilities with zero training, but it was implied that explanation was incoming. Maybe she had powerful parents, maybe she learned some as a small child and forgot…Now the explanation is: because sometimes that happens, even though we’ve never heard of it before, not even in the chosen one. Sometimes Joe/Jane-no-one can just come along and not need any training at all to be as badass as someone who studied from a master. I know that makes a lot of people angry, but I’m sorry that really IS what a Mary Sue is.
We really DO need some backstory on Snoke. It’s NOT like the Emperor in the OT simply because in this case WE DO know the backstory of the major players in the galaxy…six movies worth and no one ever mentioned having Gollum as an apprentice in any of them. He had to come from somewhere to become the most powerful figure in the Galaxy.
I didn’t mind the casino that much. It did remind me a bit of the PT, but that’s fine.
Also, not sure if anyone pointed this out yet, but the reason the guy had to point out that it was salt is because in every other way that whole set up was Hoth. I was actually wondering if they were ON Hoth. They had the trench, the big door, the bad guys had to approach with AT AT walkers…It was a little bit of an eye roll…the second movie in the trilogy…gotta go to Hoth.
I didn’t mind that Snoke died, but the whole, “Burn the tree, burn the books, kill the past” thing was heavy handed. Pretty much everything they did with Luke was disappointing up to and including the “He’s dead! Oh wait he’s not dead! Yes he is!” thing. Also, it was odd that he chose to use the Graflex in his astral projection. There was a lot of weird with the Graflex in this movie. No one even asked where it came from.
Also…”I’ve only sensed power like this once before…I fear what it can become! So…I’m totally going to send you directly to the guys who 100% want to turn you to the dark side without bothering to help prep you for that”. I’m wondering…can we come up with any option that might be even a little worse or more poorly thought out than what Luke actually does in every single scene of the movie? Not once does he actually do something that makes sense to what he claims to want in a given scene. Other than drinking milk when thirsty.
Also…after your apprentice started to turn but was obviously still so conflicted that everyone including a total nobody with no connection to him who only just met him can see it plain as day that he’s not totally gone over to the dark yet…shouldn’t you…as the only person ever to successfully redeem someone who HAD completely gone over to the dark…maybe…give it a try? At least once? Even a text message?
Seriously Luke not only has, but as far as we know is the only one who ever has redeemed someone who has gone full tilt dark. Kylo is not even full tilt dark, just mostly dark, and Luke is just like “Eh…what can you do? Kids amiright?”
…anyway…
There was some good. I like all the actors playing the new leads, especially Daisy Ridley. There’s some good unknown tension between Rey and Kylo…I can see both turning before the series ends. And I liked the Porgs. I also didn’t feel like the humor bothered me and some of it was actually funny. Overall I didn’t feel like I wasted my money, just that Disney wasted some potential.
I liked the film overall, it was enjoyable and the new cast is great, but picking apart Star Wars is kind of what we do.
So…some problems I had:
Laura Dern. I’m surprised this hasn’t been mentioned honestly, but I thought this was terrible casting. I love her as an actress, she’s actually one of my favorites and I just saw her in another movie (The Founder) where she was excellent…and to be fair to her, she did an excellent job with what she was given in this too, but the fact is, not every actor can play every role and she’s just not believable as a general. I can see her “resisting” by making signs or running an anti-first order underground newspaper somewhere on Coruscant, or even, in a real pinch helping out with the fighting when I came down to it…but not joining the military and spending years there moving up the ranks.
Running out of Fuel is lazy writing…I’ll have to watch again, but did they actually say “run out of fuel?” I think they did. The reason this is lazy is that it could have been fixed without changing the story simply by changing it from “Run out of fuel in X hours” to “They will burn out their power cells if they run that hot for X hours”. The plot stays exactly the same, but instead of Star Wars ships suddenly needing gas stations, it just goes to “You can’t red line for hours on end without some kind of overload.” Maybe they did...am I remembering this wrong?
Others have said it before: Rey is officially Mary Sue now. It was VERY odd in the last movie that she had so many abilities with zero training, but it was implied that explanation was incoming. Maybe she had powerful parents, maybe she learned some as a small child and forgot…Now the explanation is: because sometimes that happens, even though we’ve never heard of it before, not even in the chosen one. Sometimes Joe/Jane-no-one can just come along and not need any training at all to be as badass as someone who studied from a master. I know that makes a lot of people angry, but I’m sorry that really IS what a Mary Sue is.
We really DO need some backstory on Snoke. It’s NOT like the Emperor in the OT simply because in this case WE DO know the backstory of the major players in the galaxy…six movies worth and no one ever mentioned having Gollum as an apprentice in any of them. He had to come from somewhere to become the most powerful figure in the Galaxy.
I didn’t mind the casino that much. It did remind me a bit of the PT, but that’s fine.
Also, not sure if anyone pointed this out yet, but the reason the guy had to point out that it was salt is because in every other way that whole set up was Hoth. I was actually wondering if they were ON Hoth. They had the trench, the big door, the bad guys had to approach with AT AT walkers…It was a little bit of an eye roll…the second movie in the trilogy…gotta go to Hoth.
I didn’t mind that Snoke died, but the whole, “Burn the tree, burn the books, kill the past” thing was heavy handed. Pretty much everything they did with Luke was disappointing up to and including the “He’s dead! Oh wait he’s not dead! Yes he is!” thing. Also, it was odd that he chose to use the Graflex in his astral projection. There was a lot of weird with the Graflex in this movie. No one even asked where it came from.
Also…”I’ve only sensed power like this once before…I fear what it can become! So…I’m totally going to send you directly to the guys who 100% want to turn you to the dark side without bothering to help prep you for that”. I’m wondering…can we come up with any option that might be even a little worse or more poorly thought out than what Luke actually does in every single scene of the movie? Not once does he actually do something that makes sense to what he claims to want in a given scene. Other than drinking milk when thirsty.
Also…after your apprentice started to turn but was obviously still so conflicted that everyone including a total nobody with no connection to him who only just met him can see it plain as day that he’s not totally gone over to the dark yet…shouldn’t you…as the only person ever to successfully redeem someone who HAD completely gone over to the dark…maybe…give it a try? At least once? Even a text message?
Seriously Luke not only has, but as far as we know is the only one who ever has redeemed someone who has gone full tilt dark. Kylo is not even full tilt dark, just mostly dark, and Luke is just like “Eh…what can you do? Kids amiright?”
…anyway…
There was some good. I like all the actors playing the new leads, especially Daisy Ridley. There’s some good unknown tension between Rey and Kylo…I can see both turning before the series ends. And I liked the Porgs. I also didn’t feel like the humor bothered me and some of it was actually funny. Overall I didn’t feel like I wasted my money, just that Disney wasted some potential.
kristen jones
Master Member
astroboy;4376070 At this point said:
DARTH SABER
Master Member
Christmas day had a boost in ticket sales.
Overall though, the second weekend took a major nose dive. I think its the highest gross loss in drop of any film.
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kristen jones
Master Member
Don't forget she HAD been fighting for years... just not with a lightsaber.
Do you suppose it was a walk in the park fro a small girl to survive on Jakku amid all of the scum and underhandedness going on around her? She had no problem dispatching the bad guys who tried to steal BB-8 from her... she clearly didn't need Finn's help... or anyone else's... because she had grown up learning to scrap and stay alive.
We learn later on that The Force was with her all along... helping her do this, despite her not being aware of it's existence. Her connection to The Force had been an instinctive one her entire life... and her skills were born out of it. Once she discovered what it actually was, then the Quantum Leap came...but only because she had that lifetime of instinctual training already.
Not to different from Luke, who also had this instinctual connection to The Force, which allowed him to bullseye Wamp Rats and other things that people on Tatooine couldn't do nearly as well as he could.
kristen jones
Master Member
kristen jones
Master Member
I will say for my part that i don't have animus in a vaccum. If I've got defensive it's because others have been vehement in their distasteful characterization of the film. And you are correct in that the moderation does help to keep it mostly civil.
But opinions often do take on a hard edge on the internet. Perhaps it's because one never need see the other at any real point, so they feel free to use as much force as they like.
I will admit that at times I have gone overboard making my point... and so i do try to temper it as much as I can when I chime in.
Unless someone decides to openly troll me.
kristen jones
Master Member
I agree that this is likely the root of the dislike in most cases.... that the direction chosen is out of sync with personal tastes/preferences/expectations. But then if the production tried to cater to those, wouldn't that then be called fan service?
Well in reality NONE of us are the same people anybody knew 30 years ago. We ALL look/act/think/believe differently. And yes, after 30 years have got on, mostly we may seem unrecognizable to someone from our past. but that is life, and it is very normal. that's being realistic having this happen to characters who we've not seen in three decades.
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