Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release)

Well you can make that argument for just about any aspect of SW, if you really get down to it. Why does anything work? Obviously I'm interested in the "in galaxy" explanation to how a metal staff with some sort of electrical component to it blocks a laser or plasma blade. If Boba Fett's EE-3 had been electrically charged or whatever, would it not have been cut it half like it was butter by Luke's saber? My guess is these staffs must have some sort of energy field/shield that's being produced. Of course, I'm still in the camp that a lightsaber should be the ultimate weapon and not able to be countered by any other weapon than another lightsaber, but that ship has sailed. Not sure why, if there was a commercial non-lightsaber solution to counter lightsabers (themselves a weapon presumably very difficult to make and a product of true skill), they weren't used all over the place by enemies of the Jedi, at least in the era of the PT. Maybe that will now be the case in the ST, as SteveStarkiller suggests?
 
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Best bleeding-edge physics explanation for lightsabers involves high-temperature superconductors, ultradense energy cells, and far more advanced plasma technology than we have now. To exhibit all the properties seen in the films (blade casts a shadow when a light-source is behind it, blade core is intensely bright but illumination drops off drastically and can't light a room, heat effects in materials the blade comes in contact with, near-microscopic cuts [ROTJ sail barge fight], near-massless but difficult to wield, and so forth), the best guess is:

- High-energy plasma arcing between opposing nodes
- Multiple node pairs arrayed in a circle, cycling on and off
- Something akin to an electron gun below the nodes that distorts the arc out dramatically in the direction of the emitter
- Toroidal electromagnets in said emitter further narrowing the "blade" to near-one-dimensionality

We could build one today, but the blade would be as tenuous as out other contemporary plasma experiments, the emitter housing would be th esize of a small car, and it would require several daisy-chained power plants to keep it running for any amount of time. Throw in thirty thousand years' worth of amplification and miniaturization and the results would be far more impressive -- and portable. A single set of nodes would result in a two-dimensional plasma windo with, basically, a chainsaw edge (from the plasma arcing from one node to the other). This conveniently explains Pre Vizsla's "darksaber". Mounting multiple node pairs, with superconductors allowing them to cycle at near-lightspeed, means the cutting edge faces any/every direction almost simultaneously. The timing of that cycling would be controlled by -- wait for it... crystals. We like quartz here on Earth, but I imagine they found their own preferred properties in kaiber crystals, in-universe.

Also, though almost massless, the blade "rotating" that fast would impart gyroscopic effects, so it would definitely take (Force-enhanced?) strength and skill to use. And depending on how highly-tuned a blade is would make it potentially a more effective weapon, at the trade-off of being harder to control. Kinda like how the best dogfighting aircraft are so unstable, if it weren't for onboard computers constantly tweaking things so they fly straight and level, they'd stall and fall right out of the sky. That instability means they can "fall" any direction at a twitch. Great responsiveness, but at greater risk. The "default" tuning is Luke's ANH silvery-with-a-tinge-of-blue. Jedi who don't have the equipment to tune their blade properly, or for whom combat is less of a priority, would see it shifted toward the green, or even into the yellow. Those who have to make do with substandard materials and makeshift tools would end up with blades all the way down in the red. Very likely if one finds oneself and ones comrades exiled from the Order and on the far side of known space. Meanwhile, Mace is, once again, the ultimate Jedi badass, with his saber tuned all the way up into the violet.

As I mentioned elsewhere, though, because plasma is uncoupled electrons, something with high amounts of free electrons in its atomic structure would be able to resist the blade longer than something that is electron-poor. Plastic? Flesh? Wood? Voop -- right through. Crystalline structures such as metal? Reference Luke's saber bouncing off Vader's shoulder armor in ESB or Qui-Gon's saber taking forever to slag the blast door in TPM. If you then apply a plasma field to a conductor like that, you raise its resistance even more. Like charges repel. And because there's no spinning massless blade, electro-staves or power-tonfas will be easier to wield -- but still dangerous to the wielder. Don't touch the live parts. Flamethrowers and flechettes are probably still better bets.

--Jonah
 
...I'm interested in the "in galaxy" explanation to how a metal staff with some sort of electrical component to it blocks a laser or plasma blade...

I just figure the staff emits an energy similar to the sabers. And it makes sense, most any type of weapon has a countermeasure of some kind. If I lived in a universe with people wielding light sabers, good and bad guys, I'd feel more comfortable knowing they could be defended against.
 
I always imagined C3PO was vain and was constantly changing out his outer shell for whatever he deemed fashionable in the droid world at the time . like Stewie from family guy with the hats
 
Best bleeding-edge physics explanation for lightsabers involves high-temperature superconductors, ultradense energy cells, and far more advanced plasma technology than we have now. To exhibit all the properties seen in the films (blade casts a shadow when a light-source is behind it, blade core is intensely bright but illumination drops off drastically and can't light a room, heat effects in materials the blade comes in contact with, near-microscopic cuts [ROTJ sail barge fight], near-massless but difficult to wield, and so forth), the best guess is:

- High-energy plasma arcing between opposing nodes
- Multiple node pairs arrayed in a circle, cycling on and off
- Something akin to an electron gun below the nodes that distorts the arc out dramatically in the direction of the emitter
- Toroidal electromagnets in said emitter further narrowing the "blade" to near-one-dimensionality

We could build one today, but the blade would be as tenuous as out other contemporary plasma experiments, the emitter housing would be th esize of a small car, and it would require several daisy-chained power plants to keep it running for any amount of time. Throw in thirty thousand years' worth of amplification and miniaturization and the results would be far more impressive -- and portable. A single set of nodes would result in a two-dimensional plasma windo with, basically, a chainsaw edge (from the plasma arcing from one node to the other). This conveniently explains Pre Vizsla's "darksaber". Mounting multiple node pairs, with superconductors allowing them to cycle at near-lightspeed, means the cutting edge faces any/every direction almost simultaneously. The timing of that cycling would be controlled by -- wait for it... crystals. We like quartz here on Earth, but I imagine they found their own preferred properties in kaiber crystals, in-universe.

Also, though almost massless, the blade "rotating" that fast would impart gyroscopic effects, so it would definitely take (Force-enhanced?) strength and skill to use. And depending on how highly-tuned a blade is would make it potentially a more effective weapon, at the trade-off of being harder to control. Kinda like how the best dogfighting aircraft are so unstable, if it weren't for onboard computers constantly tweaking things so they fly straight and level, they'd stall and fall right out of the sky. That instability means they can "fall" any direction at a twitch. Great responsiveness, but at greater risk. The "default" tuning is Luke's ANH silvery-with-a-tinge-of-blue. Jedi who don't have the equipment to tune their blade properly, or for whom combat is less of a priority, would see it shifted toward the green, or even into the yellow. Those who have to make do with substandard materials and makeshift tools would end up with blades all the way down in the red. Very likely if one finds oneself and ones comrades exiled from the Order and on the far side of known space. Meanwhile, Mace is, once again, the ultimate Jedi badass, with his saber tuned all the way up into the violet.

As I mentioned elsewhere, though, because plasma is uncoupled electrons, something with high amounts of free electrons in its atomic structure would be able to resist the blade longer than something that is electron-poor. Plastic? Flesh? Wood? Voop -- right through. Crystalline structures such as metal? Reference Luke's saber bouncing off Vader's shoulder armor in ESB or Qui-Gon's saber taking forever to slag the blast door in TPM. If you then apply a plasma field to a conductor like that, you raise its resistance even more. Like charges repel. And because there's no spinning massless blade, electro-staves or power-tonfas will be easier to wield -- but still dangerous to the wielder. Don't touch the live parts. Flamethrowers and flechettes are probably still better bets.

--Jonah

That's along the lines of what I was looking for!
 
I've hated for years the "blade of pure energy (whatever thehell that means) focused through magic crystals" model. Especially the versions that have it as a physical manifestation of the Force, or the color dependent on the user's "alignment" or the Force being necessary to be able to ignite/use it... *pfaugh!* There are actually theoretical models for everything in the Star Wars universe -- even the Force -- except for artificial gravity and tractor beams, since gravity still baffles us. They guy who's developed a real-world hoverboard due to his Back to the Future enthusiasm, is well on the way to repulsorlift technology (with the same sort of miniaturization and amplification as how we got from the transistor to the multimillion-transistor microchip, or from early internal-combustion engines to thousand-horsepower-plus car engines).

--Jonah
 
Yup! ^_^

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I just realized the Disney BTS spot has the first good look at one of the R6 astromechs Oliver built for the production:

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--Jonah
 
They must have told Harry something good...or paid him a LOT of money. I've never seen him so enthusiastic about SW.
 
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I've seen him enthusiastic about good scripts. He sorta fell into Star Wars, had a good time on Empire, but then Jedi he felt was a waste. He hasn't had any reason to be enthusiastic about Star Wars since 1980. His outings at Celebration and ComicCon and the interviews he's given give me more hope than anything that this film is well-written. He doesn't pull punches, he doesn't need the money. If he didn't like what he was shown, he wouldn't have signed on. If he wasn't pleased and surprised and excited by it, he wouldn't say he was. He's my barometer for the quality of a Star Wars film. *heh*

--Jonah
 
People go on about how the last Indiana Jones film sucked and Ford liked it too. I didn't think it sucked, but that's all opinion.

I've seen him enthusiastic about good scripts. He sorta fell into Star Wars, had a good time on Empire, but then Jedi he felt was a waste. He hasn't had any reason to be enthusiastic about Star Wars since 1980. His outings at Celebration and ComicCon and the interviews he's given give me more hope than anything that this film is well-written. He doesn't pull punches, he doesn't need the money. If he didn't like what he was shown, he wouldn't have signed on. If he wasn't pleased and surprised and excited by it, he wouldn't say he was. He's my barometer for the quality of a Star Wars film. *heh*

--Jonah
 
I actually liked it for the most part. The jungle chase was a bit long and contrived. I think Mutt could've been cast better, but enh. My only real beef was with how the crystal skull happened in the first place -- reverse the "activation sequence" at the end and ask yourself how the alien(s) went into stasis (or whatever), divided into twelve, and turned to crystal.

--Jonah
 
So that new TV spot: "hell no" "woo!" and BB8 rolling around in the corridor--yes. I was worried this flick might be dour, but those are great lighthearted moments.
 
I actually liked it for the most part. The jungle chase was a bit long and contrived. I think Mutt could've been cast better, but enh. My only real beef was with how the crystal skull happened in the first place -- reverse the "activation sequence" at the end and ask yourself how the alien(s) went into stasis (or whatever), divided into twelve, and turned to crystal.

--Jonah

probably like a threes company episode one of them slipped and hit the automated crystalize hibernation button they only pulled over on earth to stop and pop a quick squat .
 
People go on about how the last Indiana Jones film sucked and Ford liked it too. I didn't think it sucked, but that's all opinion.

i really enjoyed it, the beginning with hanger 51 was my favorite " this isnt going to be easy.." "not as easy as it use to be"
 
Maybe we're being hoodwinked but it really does seem like Ford is genuinely enthusiastic about the movie. Sure he is obligated to go through some of the motions of promoting it but it seems like it goes beyond just that.
 
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