Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release)

It's a tricky thing. He loves the editing process. But to get the raw material to edit together into a finished film, he felt he needed to control the camera positions and movement and the actors' performances, and the story they're acting out. But he sucks at those latter two, knows it, has admitted it, has said he doesn't like doing it, etc. But he felt so out of control of the created content for ESB he intruded himself back in with ROTJ. Much more script control, and even though he handpicked the director again, he micromanaged him so much the guy quit late in filming. Then he got a chance to be in utter control again on the Special Editions and thought it was best to maintain that into the Prequels.

He was just never been able to accept that while he has terrific ideas and much to contribute, his universe had outgrown him as sole creative force all the way back in 1977. The first two films owe their lasting quality to the influence of Marcia in the editing booth, Kersh on set in ESB and -- possibly most important -- Harrison Ford. He was unafraid to change his lines and tell George where he could stick it, and Mark and Carrie took their cue from him. I like to say Harrison "shadow-directed" Star Wars by having enough innate acting chops to perform in spite of George's "directing" and give the advice and direction the people he was on set with needed and George didn't provide. When you watch the Prequels, you can spot the actors who have the same instinctive talent and the ones who are accustomed to doing what the director tells them. But from ROTJ on, there's been no Marcia in the editing booth to tell George that burp and fart gags aren't good ideas or like that, and George was satisfied with performances that would have seen Kersh working the scene another half-dozen takes. Had George directed ESB, we would likely have ended up with Han's scripted "I love you, too" to Leia, rather than Harrison's exhausted ad-lib that caused him and Kersh to stop dead when setting up the next take and look at each other with a "that's it!" realization.

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i remember reading, but that doesnt matter now with the canon switch. but so far isnt it they cant keep the ghost form forever? they end up completely "crossing over" ?
That's entirely post-ROTJ EU creation because the authors didn't really know what to do with them. Luke's Force-ghost was used well in the Legacy comics a good century further on. If anything the OT gave us the opposite -- Obi-Wan went from disembodied voice to hazy static image to sharp mostly-static image to nearly-physical presence walking around and sitting on a fallen log. The original progression was going to have been that at the final confrontation with the Emperor a couple more films hence, he'd be able to step back across to physicality and help Luke against Vader and the Emperor. While I'm glad that didn't happen as such, I do definitely feel that qualifies as "more powerful than you can possibly imagine".

--Jonah
 
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... if he'd gotten to make the film exactly as it was envisioned in his head it would have been a 70s cult classic, at best, and at worst we'd have prequel storytelling and characters on a shoestring budget. What's wrong with saying so? It is what it is, and it couldn't have come about the way it did by any other path or with any other combination of people. I wouldn't change a thing.

Absolutely true. Did anyone ever do a comparison of the PT to the various SW-drafts? The similarities in tone and storytelling are IMO astonishing, i.e. he did return to his former "clunky" storytelling style when he did not feel the need to involve other writers. And in EP1 he simply seems to have forgotten what he learned from Campbell.
We´ll see if JJA and Disney are able to kind of recreate what GL did with ANH, but I doubt it. Times are different now, and when I read that The Hunger Games pt.4 surpasses TFA in the category "most highly anticipated movie of the year", then I can see that the audience itself has changed so much within the last two to four decades that I simply have to doubt that the new movie will have a similar impact. I personally expect a movie that may broaden my personal SW universe, entertain me and ... well, that´s it. I find it strange that I personally am far more interested to see what SW: Rogue one will bring us. Really strange. And that is because I find that ONE teaser photo more interesting than all the pics I have seen of EP7.
 
I find it strange that I personally am far more interested to see what SW: Rogue one will bring us. Really strange. And that is because I find that ONE teaser photo more interesting than all the pics I have seen of EP7.

I hate it, and I can't believe it, but I feel the exact same way. I was at the "Celebration" panel where they debuted the teaser. I momentarily forgot about "The Force Awakens".
 
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I think the source is commercials for HG...nothing scientific.

TFA trailer release shattered every trailer record there is it seemed. Nothing said about the HG one...

Oh yeah, that does not count.

"95% of teenage girls with Katniss Everdeen T-shirts who were surveyed said they wanted to see HG4 more than any other movie ever created!"
 
How dare someone call something trivial on a message board discussing movies! All of this is trivial! It's fun and I enjoy all of this, but none this matters even a little bit. Please don't throw stones on a site you are participating in where we discuss Spiderman's powers and if the sound of a TIE fighter engine can be heard in outer space and a light saber has too any blades. You are embarrassing yourself.

Get off your high horse. Even if it's name is Shadowfax. For some reason.

Brian

You've completely missed my point. My point is exactly as you said it. All of this is trivial compared to real lifes problems and my point was to say why waste energy hating someone for a movie and who has now passed the torch to somebody else because people weren't happy with him. It's pointless.This is a hobby. Hobbies are meant for enjoyment.Oh and at least quote me if your going to have a dig at me.


Ben
 
Just wanted to add that it's not the discussion of George's flaws as a director but more the fact that These threads often turn to "I hate George for doing this","He owes me an apology for that" or the best one ever,"George raped my childhood".We have a new future to embrace so I just don't see the point of hating the man.


Ben
 
i remember reading, but that doesnt matter now with the canon switch. but so far isnt it they cant keep the ghost form forever? they end up completely "crossing over" ?

I didn't mean to do exactly what happened in that book, just that that would be a way to introduce Anakin as a flashback.
 
Ben, Looking back, you are right. I did miss your point. That's my bad. I do apologize.

But I'll take a dig at you however I want. J/K. Sort of.

Brian
 
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