Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release)

[Jedi Dade]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

If the past rumors about what the new sequel trilogy would be (we're going back like 30 years or so) then these will be about "passing the lightsaber onto a new generation" (Mark Hamill said George asked him what he thought about that scenario circa 1976ish) the Trilogy was supposed to be about that... not just episode 7. I'd expect the original characters to play significant roles at least in 7 and probably 8 and 9. But whoever the lightsaber is being passed to - that is a good question - I like the idea of hit girl - she does have a good acting ability... and she's already been trained to fight, a plus if you're in an action flick .

As far as locations - I understand the desire to see new and cool places BUT part of the charm is that while the galaxy focuses on all the hotspots like Curuscant, Alderaan and Corellia - the real story is happening in Bum F' Nowhere... Tatooine, Dagobah, Bespin, a moon of Yavin... I kinda like that motif... and I expect it will continue to some extent.

Jedi Dade

 

[Solo4114]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

If the past rumors about what the new sequel trilogy would be (we're going back like 30 years or so) then these will be about "passing the lightsaber onto a new generation" (Mark Hamill said George asked him what he thought about that scenario circa 1976ish) the Trilogy was supposed to be about that... not just episode 7. I'd expect the original characters to play significant roles at least in 7 and probably 8 and 9. But whoever the lightsaber is being passed to - that is a good question - I like the idea of hit girl - she does have a good acting ability... and she's already been trained to fight, a plus if you're in an action flick .

As far as locations - I understand the desire to see new and cool places BUT part of the charm is that while the galaxy focuses on all the hotspots like Curuscant, Alderaan and Corellia - the real story is happening in Bum F' Nowhere... Tatooine, Dagobah, Bespin, a moon of Yavin... I kinda like that motif... and I expect it will continue to some extent.

Jedi Dade

Why not both? And for that matter, why not new boondocks instead of the same old stuff?

Look, the whole reason why Tatooine shows up in the films is because Luke is the "poor farm boy" who discovers he has power and is taken by a wise wizard on an epic journey. Tatooine's just where he grew up. There was no reason why Anakin had to be from there, either. Uncle Owen could've moved TO Tatooine with infant Luke, the better to hide. It could've gone a whole other way. The Jabba connection makes sense insofar as it's how Han gets involved with Luke, and therefore the unfinished business brings him back to Tatooine, but otherwise? No need to revisit it.

Hoth was just a place the Rebels ran to because it was remote and easier to hide. Imperials like Ozzel would overlook them, thinking them smugglers of no importance. Endor was picked for construction because it was, again, remote.

But there's no need to revisit these specific places. Revisiting something like Coruscant would make sense, if it's the Republic capital. The rest of the worlds? Pretty much boondocks that aren't that important.


I will, however, say this. For those who find the PT irritating (as I do) and would just as soon treat it as non-canonical (as I do), you do have to give the PT credit for using a bunch of new planets. Naboo, Kamino, Coruscant (technically newly depicted, if not newly created), Kashyyk (again, same deal), Felucia, Geonosis, Mustafar, etc.

While half of the first film and parts of the second do spend a lot of time on Tatooine, aside from that, there really wasn't all that much recycling. I'd just hope the trend of NOT recycling planets continues. That and that the planets and story are more interesting this time around...

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

About this cantina thing. I'm getting bad vibes here.
Over the years the cantina in Mos Eisley has achieved this Las Vegas-like status it seems, becoming some sort of galactic beacon where people flock to in order to socialize. I never thought that was appropriate. It's established very clearly in ANH that Tatooine is a complete backwater farming planet, basically a wilderness, with only slices of civilization that are extremely crude in nature and really only serve as stop-offs for long flights. Obi-Wan and Luke go to Mos Eisley because it's the only way to really get off the rock, not because it's a hangout. Nobody important ever hangs out on Tatooine. That's part of what made the meeting with Han in ANH so exciting - it was pure chance that he would be there, almost as if it were destiny.

Yeah I hope we don't see it again. There's no reason Luke would go back there unless he was trying to find info on his family. I think enough people were put off by the Prequels that that is best handled (as it has) in the EU. That's one of the things about the SEs that I didn't like, how they expanded Mos Eisley. In the original movie, it felt like a backwater that no one would want to stay at for too long.
BUT! As I said earlier in this thread, I kind of like the idea of Han going back to the Cantina, but this time the entire room parts way for him. That could work for Luke too and he could say "The droids are with me" because who's going to challenge him now?

Really I hope that other than maybe Coruscant, we see all new locations.

 

[Wolfsburg]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I agree in regards to The Cantina, and Tatooine in general. It has always annoyed me how often Tatooine has popped up in video games, books, and other media. The fact of the matter is, the famous cantina is a backwater establishment in a backwater spaceport on a backwater planet. Seems especially far fetched that any of our heroes would wind up back in Mos Eisley, let alone the Cantina itself. Returning to Tatooine in general is a stretch though I suppose they could concoct some reason why someone might need to return to Obi-wan's long abandoned hut?

 

[Zombie_61]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

...About this cantina thing. I'm getting bad vibes here.
Over the years the cantina in Mos Eisley has achieved this Las Vegas-like status it seems, becoming some sort of galactic beacon where people flock to in order to socialize...

If it has, it's only because the fans have made it so; it was only seen in one movie.

While I would agree there's really no reason to use Tatooine yet again, it is Luke's home planet and it's plausible that he might return there simply because it's familiar to him. Also, given the way we (the audience) were introduced to Han and Chewie, if they've returned to smuggling goods for a living it seems the Mos Eisley cantina was a location they used to drum up business for themselves in the past, so they would likely return there as well. And, of course, Luke would know that Han and Chewie used the cantina as a "base of operations" of sorts, so if he needed to contact them...well, surely you can see where this is going.

Personally, I couldn't care less about which planets they use, or don't use, as long as the movies are good.

 

[Lutso]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Maybe it could be Star Wars: Into The Darkness. That way for years you would have very confusing conversations when asked if you've seen Into Darkness or Into The Darkness.

I don't see why not, apparently Christopher Noland thought it was a wise idea to give two of his films the same title, after all.

If it has, it's only because the fans have made it so; it was only seen in one movie.

That's what I was getting at. I'm fairly confident that every fan-fiction story ever written has mention of it.

 

[rodneyfaile]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Mos Eisley is like the Atlanta airport. It sucks, but you always seem to have a connecting flight there, and chances are there is going to be some BS taking place. The cantina is like a dive bar in the middle of nowhere. Everyone is there because nothing else is around, so whatever you are up to is most likely going to eventually end up there at some point.

 

[Jedi-72]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I kind of understand why people might want to see new worlds. But, given the new planets we saw in the PT, so much of it was just goofy, stupid stuff. Felucia, Kasshyyk, Utapau, etc. were ridiculous videogame type locales thrown in just for the sake of novelty. They were rather poorly done and made little sense. Places like Naboo, Kamino, or Alderaan...they could all be different parts of the same planet. Kamino....oooooh....a "water planet".:rolleyes Wow. An ocean. How "alien". Felucia looked like Willy Wonka's chocolate factory from Tim Burton's Charllie and the Chocolate Factory for cripe sakes.

There's only so much can be done with the idea of "alien" worlds before you cross over into stupid. I'd rather see more focus on creating those various civilizations and the cultures that distinguish them from one another. Like they did in LOTR. That's what makes it real.

 

[Jeyl]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Places like Naboo

Naboo was beautiful! At least there was more to it than the sum of it's one generalized area.

 

[Solo4114]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I kind of understand why people might want to see new worlds. But, given the new planets we saw in the PT, so much of it was just goofy, stupid stuff. Felucia, Kasshyyk, Utapau, etc. were ridiculous videogame type locales thrown in just for the sake of novelty. They were rather poorly done and made little sense. Places like Naboo, Kamino, or Alderaan...they could all be different parts of the same planet. Kamino....oooooh....a "water planet".:rolleyes Wow. An ocean. How "alien". Felucia looked like Willy Wonka's chocolate factory from Tim Burton's Charllie and the Chocolate Factory for cripe sakes.

There's only so much can be done with the idea of "alien" worlds before you cross over into stupid. I'd rather see more focus on creating those various civilizations and the cultures that distinguish them from one another. Like they did in LOTR. That's what makes it real.

I agree with you, although my point was more about the "Gawd, it's always the same freakin' planets!" argument -- which I had made myself, actually. But I do think that, while there was variety in the PT, it wasn't very interesting variety. I'd like to see more shooting in real locations, rather than 100% green screen stuff. I think that's a big part of why it looked like a video game.

 

[Riceball]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

If they insist on showing us the same few planets over again I hope that they at least show us different parts of the same planets. Tattooine is a good one, every time they've shown Tattooine it's always been the same little corner of the planet, even though it's a desert planet Anchorhead & Mos Eisley can't be the only inhabited parts of the planet and it can't all be just sand duned desert, perhaps parts of it are like Californian deserts with little bits of plant life here and there and no sand dunes.

 

[Solo4114]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

If they insist on showing us the same few planets over again I hope that they at least show us different parts of the same planets. Tattooine is a good one, every time they've shown Tattooine it's always been the same little corner of the planet, even though it's a desert planet Anchorhead & Mos Eisley can't be the only inhabited parts of the planet and it can't all be just sand duned desert, perhaps parts of it are like Californian deserts with little bits of plant life here and there and no sand dunes.

Well, they did show us Mos Espa, but it was functionally indistinct from Mos Eisley. I actually don't think we ever saw Anchorhead (unless you count whatever scenes were shot but not used in Tosche Station).

But agree. Showing the same old locations -- in whatever form -- is tiresome.

 

[Jedi-72]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

A huge missed opportunity in the PT that could possibly be mined in the new trilogy is the whole concept of the Jedi Temple. I never in my worst visions of the prequels thought that "THE" Jedi Temple was smack in the middle of the capital. Doesn't make much sense. At best, it should have been more of an embassy in the capital and the actual temple/sanctuary should've been elsewhere...a remote location far from the corrupting influences of the politics of the Republic. There could be smaller embassies or satellite "temples" on key worlds. But they wouldn't be the center of all Jedi knowledge and training. The repository of the order's history, knowledge and all training would be based at the main temple.

I always imagined the temple, not to beat LOTR comparisons to death, but something akin to Rivendell, only more Asian in its aesthetic. Somewhat reminiscent of pagoda architecture, kind of like Frank Lloyd Wright, meets Craftsman, meets feudal Japanese in it's look. I always pictured it in the mountains, built into and out of them. Probably it's own small moon. Very remote, peaceful, powerful. Maybe we'll see a lost sanctuary or head temple in the new films. Here's hoping.

 

[niennumb1]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Yeah Tatooine is just so overused now. We don't have enough interesting stories on planet Earth in movies yet. We need more of that.

It's the story that will reign supreme. I don't mind revisiting familiar planets. I do mind of the story falls flat.

 

[ghostryder]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

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[rodneyfaile]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

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Bring it on! Im so sick of being malnutritioned regarding Star Wars. It's time for Star Wars to rightfully take over again! It all starts with JJ. He has to jack it out of the park!

 

[Samson]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

... sick of being malnutritioned regarding Star Wars...

I like how you put that. And hopefully the Millennium Falcon will appear again on film after so long and we may see more new and better replicas come out, like maybe something worthwhile from eFX for those of us that can't make them ourselves, and who missed out on the Master Replicas version.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

A huge missed opportunity in the PT that could possibly be mined in the new trilogy is the whole concept of the Jedi Temple. I never in my worst visions of the prequels thought that "THE" Jedi Temple was smack in the middle of the capital. Doesn't make much sense. At best, it should have been more of an embassy in the capital and the actual temple/sanctuary should've been elsewhere...a remote location far from the corrupting influences of the politics of the Republic. There could be smaller embassies or satellite "temples" on key worlds. But they wouldn't be the center of all Jedi knowledge and training. The repository of the order's history, knowledge and all training would be based at the main temple.

There are Jedi Temples on other planets. Unless you hate the EU, then there are not. :lol

But, given the new planets we saw in the PT, so much of it was just goofy, stupid stuff. Felucia, Kasshyyk, Utapau, etc. were ridiculous videogame type locales thrown in just for the sake of novelty.

What was wrong with Kashyyyk? Other than having a beach location, it's pretty much the same as when McQuarrie did the first designs for the Holiday Special.

 

[Zombie_61]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

...That's what I was getting at. I'm fairly confident that every fan-fiction story ever written has mention of it.

Ah, now I understand. I don't read fan-fiction because...well, I've talked to some of these people at conventions. :lol

 

[Edwardowan]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I can't imagine having both done at the same time. I recall helping my wife out of bed... I hope to never have to have knee surgery!
and yes, there is only one Chewie... I'm sure when Mayhew heard the news about the new SW films I bet he thought "that's it... I'm doing knee surgery because I want to be in that suit.. no one plays Chewbacca but me!" It will be awesome to see his eyes behind the mask. If you are going to have original cast Peter is a must! I bet he is going through some serious pain right now relearning to walk! Ugh!

I have had knee surgery, both of them though I didn't get anything replaced. The pain is definitely great! Sitting down and getting up.... like being in hell and don't get me started on getting in and out of bed. A lot of cursing is a must.

Would and hopefully will be awesome to have the original Chewie back in action!