Mola Rob
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII
Luke was actually sucked into the vent he didn't guide himself into it.
Luke was actually sucked into the vent he didn't guide himself into it.
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seelsa73
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII
That wasn't specifically stated in the movie, so that's not what happened.
Mola Rob
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII
I always thought it was fairly obvious with the way it was filmed and the sound effects. Then when I read the screenplay it said this:
VADER: Luke. You can destroy the Emperor. He has foreseen this. It is
your destiny. Join me, and we can rule the galaxy as father and son.
Come with me. It's the only way.
Vader puts away his sword and holds his hand out to Luke.
A calm comes over Luke, and he makes a decision. In the
next instant he steps off the gantry platform into space. The
Dark Lord looks over the platform and sees Luke falling far
below. The wind begins to blow at Vader's cape and the torrent
finally forces him back, away from the edge. The wind soon
fades and the wounded Jedi begins to drop fast, unable to grab
onto anything to break his fall.
INTERIOR: REACTOR SHAFT
Suddenly Luke is sucked into an exhaust pipe in the side of
the shaft. When Vader sees this, he turns and hurries off the
platform.
Or does the screenplay not count? Do we need confirmation from something Lucas said in passing years ago? :lol
I always thought it was fairly obvious with the way it was filmed and the sound effects. Then when I read the screenplay it said this:
VADER: Luke. You can destroy the Emperor. He has foreseen this. It is
your destiny. Join me, and we can rule the galaxy as father and son.
Come with me. It's the only way.
Vader puts away his sword and holds his hand out to Luke.
A calm comes over Luke, and he makes a decision. In the
next instant he steps off the gantry platform into space. The
Dark Lord looks over the platform and sees Luke falling far
below. The wind begins to blow at Vader's cape and the torrent
finally forces him back, away from the edge. The wind soon
fades and the wounded Jedi begins to drop fast, unable to grab
onto anything to break his fall.
INTERIOR: REACTOR SHAFT
Suddenly Luke is sucked into an exhaust pipe in the side of
the shaft. When Vader sees this, he turns and hurries off the
platform.
Or does the screenplay not count? Do we need confirmation from something Lucas said in passing years ago? :lol
Re: Star Wars Episode VII
Yeah, to my 13 year old eyes, that is exactly what it looked like to me as well. And as portrayed in the film, the relatively short fall into snow from the AT-AT looked like it hurt him a bit. So I don't find those arguments very compelling.
Yeah, to my 13 year old eyes, that is exactly what it looked like to me as well. And as portrayed in the film, the relatively short fall into snow from the AT-AT looked like it hurt him a bit. So I don't find those arguments very compelling.
rodneyfaile
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII
Not just Ian McDiarmid, but Ewan McGregor too?
Latest Star Wars: Episode VII Rumor Says Ewan McGregor Will Play Obi-Wan Again - CinemaBlend.com
Not just Ian McDiarmid, but Ewan McGregor too?
Latest Star Wars: Episode VII Rumor Says Ewan McGregor Will Play Obi-Wan Again - CinemaBlend.com
seelsa73
Sr Member
Re: Star Wars Episode VII
I was merely pointing out a flaw in your logic from a comment you made on the last page. The OT leaves a lot of questions unanswered as well about Jedi powers. No they weren't portrayed as supermen, but then again we only see three of them (and i am not counting DV as he's not a Jedi, and 3-quarters or whatever machine), so what else do we go by but officially sanctioned material, including BTS documentaries/books, the prequels, and official novelizations, at least of each movie? But, I'll give you the reactor shaft. Until it was pointed out to me i just didn't get that impression.
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Mola Rob
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII
You were 13? I didn't turn 13 until October, man you're old.:lol
I know I am just giving you a hard time. :lol
There are many things left unsaid in the OT as well I just think they went totally overboard with the Jedi powers in the PT. When Luke was falling in Bespin however I never got the feeling Luke was controlling his fall. Actually I never got the feeling Anakin was controlling his fall in AOTC either, that was just a ill conceived and poorly shot sequence.
You were 13? I didn't turn 13 until October, man you're old.:lol
I know I am just giving you a hard time. :lol
There are many things left unsaid in the OT as well I just think they went totally overboard with the Jedi powers in the PT. When Luke was falling in Bespin however I never got the feeling Luke was controlling his fall. Actually I never got the feeling Anakin was controlling his fall in AOTC either, that was just a ill conceived and poorly shot sequence.
Edwardowan
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII
I guess this would be the way to tie all the movies together to make the full 9 story arc coherent. I guess if Palpy returns as sith ghost it would only be fair for obi wan to do the same to perhaps warn luke or give him ideas on how to counter Palpy's sorcerer ways. to me Ewan is as much Obi as Alec guinness and we know we can't get Alec to reprise the role!
I really did rather wish they all became one with the force and Palpy never got the reward of returning from the netherworld ability once RotJ ended but if this rumor turns out to be true then I am good with it. I'm sure it will amount to about 2 minutes of screen time for them anyway.
I guess this would be the way to tie all the movies together to make the full 9 story arc coherent. I guess if Palpy returns as sith ghost it would only be fair for obi wan to do the same to perhaps warn luke or give him ideas on how to counter Palpy's sorcerer ways. to me Ewan is as much Obi as Alec guinness and we know we can't get Alec to reprise the role!
I really did rather wish they all became one with the force and Palpy never got the reward of returning from the netherworld ability once RotJ ended but if this rumor turns out to be true then I am good with it. I'm sure it will amount to about 2 minutes of screen time for them anyway. 
Mola Rob
Sr Member
Re: Star Wars Episode VII
Agreed. Move forwards not backwards. We don't need Star Wars: Attack of the Cameos.
Next thing you know old Spock will make an appearance as well.
Agreed. Move forwards not backwards. We don't need Star Wars: Attack of the Cameos.
Next thing you know old Spock will make an appearance as well.
MaddMaxx82
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII
I don't think Harrison is as heavily opinionated about talking about star wars specifically as most people make him out to be. Have any of you seen him promoting releases of any number of his other films... He looks like he just isn't into that aspect of his stardom. He always appears upset or disinterested in the line of questioning, and not so eager to even talk about the film he is promoting.
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I don't think Harrison is as heavily opinionated about talking about star wars specifically as most people make him out to be. Have any of you seen him promoting releases of any number of his other films... He looks like he just isn't into that aspect of his stardom. He always appears upset or disinterested in the line of questioning, and not so eager to even talk about the film he is promoting.
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Wolfsburg
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Yeah, I've been following these rumors too. Some of my thoughts...
While I'm not totally sold yet, I don't have a huge problem with Palpatine returning, particularly as a ghost, and I've always enjoyed Ian McDiarmid's performances in the role. While a part of me wouldn't mind seeing an all new "big bad guy", I do like the idea that Palpatine is back since he has been the "big bad guy" in all six previous movies. He could be the same common denominator that really ties all 9 movies together and I do like that aspect. Before being pared down, Palpatine was originally supposed to be in the last trilogy anyways, with only Vader dying in the 6th movie.
Apparently George had stated years ago that the Emperor (or maybe the Sith in general?) was technically capable of being a "Force Ghost" and that notion wasn't an exclusively Jedi thing. George pretty much botched the whole "Force Ghost" subplot in the Prequels so the real explanation of this aspect is left muddied.
Some people have even argued that while the Emperor was defeated at the end of RoTJ and Luke's life was saved, maybe we shouldn't assume he actually died. The nature of the weird blue flames seen when Vader throws him off and what they mean have long been subject to debate. Some people also have the theory that perhaps Palpatine might follow a Sauron or Voldemort path in the new movies. Perhaps he still exists on some plane of existence and will act from there, maybe through a new apprentice, or maybe is even striving to return to the physical world.
On the other hand...
I'm fine with Obi-wan returning as a ghost to continue to aid Luke, or maybe a new hero, in a new struggle but I am not at all a fan of Ewan McGregor returning to the role and is something I feel much more strongly about. I thought he was just "okay" as Obi-wan and it will make little sense why Obi-wan has suddenly decided to appear as his younger self. If they do try to age him, I'm skeptical that they will be able to convincingly make him look like Alec Guinness. In that case, why use Ewan McGregor at all, since he bears little resemblance to Guinness in the first place? I would argue that they should just find another actor, whoever that may be, that actually looks more like Sir Alec. For me, just because McGregor played "Young Obi-wan" (and they were able to fudge any dissimilarity in appearances to youth), this is not a case for bringing him back.
This might be controversial for some but there is another alternative that I'd like to see explored. I would like to see them at least attempt to "resurrect" Alec Guinness. With ILM's capabilities in this day and age, I think it could be at least plausible that they could employ archival footage of Guinness, either as Obi-wan or even from some of his other movies, mixed with CGI trickery and a convincing voice actor to make it work. It also doesn't hurt that he would be appearing as a glowing, semi-transparent blue-tinged ghost, his movements would likely be limited, and he'd likely appear for no more than a few minutes. They wouldn't necessarily have to worry about making him blend "seamlessly" within his physical surroundings with natural fleshtones, shadowing, etc. since he'd be appearing as an ethereal ghost. Apparently they had toyed with the idea of doing this with Peter Cushing for Tarkin's appearance in Revenge of the Sith though they ultimately didn't because they couldn't find good usable footage of a young Cushing. However it does show this sort of thing has at least been explored by ILM 10 years ago. If they can make it work, I'd prefer to see them go this route before trying to shoe horn Ewan McGregor into the new movies.
Yeah, I've been following these rumors too. Some of my thoughts...
While I'm not totally sold yet, I don't have a huge problem with Palpatine returning, particularly as a ghost, and I've always enjoyed Ian McDiarmid's performances in the role. While a part of me wouldn't mind seeing an all new "big bad guy", I do like the idea that Palpatine is back since he has been the "big bad guy" in all six previous movies. He could be the same common denominator that really ties all 9 movies together and I do like that aspect. Before being pared down, Palpatine was originally supposed to be in the last trilogy anyways, with only Vader dying in the 6th movie.
Apparently George had stated years ago that the Emperor (or maybe the Sith in general?) was technically capable of being a "Force Ghost" and that notion wasn't an exclusively Jedi thing. George pretty much botched the whole "Force Ghost" subplot in the Prequels so the real explanation of this aspect is left muddied.
Some people have even argued that while the Emperor was defeated at the end of RoTJ and Luke's life was saved, maybe we shouldn't assume he actually died. The nature of the weird blue flames seen when Vader throws him off and what they mean have long been subject to debate. Some people also have the theory that perhaps Palpatine might follow a Sauron or Voldemort path in the new movies. Perhaps he still exists on some plane of existence and will act from there, maybe through a new apprentice, or maybe is even striving to return to the physical world.
On the other hand...
I'm fine with Obi-wan returning as a ghost to continue to aid Luke, or maybe a new hero, in a new struggle but I am not at all a fan of Ewan McGregor returning to the role and is something I feel much more strongly about. I thought he was just "okay" as Obi-wan and it will make little sense why Obi-wan has suddenly decided to appear as his younger self. If they do try to age him, I'm skeptical that they will be able to convincingly make him look like Alec Guinness. In that case, why use Ewan McGregor at all, since he bears little resemblance to Guinness in the first place? I would argue that they should just find another actor, whoever that may be, that actually looks more like Sir Alec. For me, just because McGregor played "Young Obi-wan" (and they were able to fudge any dissimilarity in appearances to youth), this is not a case for bringing him back.
This might be controversial for some but there is another alternative that I'd like to see explored. I would like to see them at least attempt to "resurrect" Alec Guinness. With ILM's capabilities in this day and age, I think it could be at least plausible that they could employ archival footage of Guinness, either as Obi-wan or even from some of his other movies, mixed with CGI trickery and a convincing voice actor to make it work. It also doesn't hurt that he would be appearing as a glowing, semi-transparent blue-tinged ghost, his movements would likely be limited, and he'd likely appear for no more than a few minutes. They wouldn't necessarily have to worry about making him blend "seamlessly" within his physical surroundings with natural fleshtones, shadowing, etc. since he'd be appearing as an ethereal ghost. Apparently they had toyed with the idea of doing this with Peter Cushing for Tarkin's appearance in Revenge of the Sith though they ultimately didn't because they couldn't find good usable footage of a young Cushing. However it does show this sort of thing has at least been explored by ILM 10 years ago. If they can make it work, I'd prefer to see them go this route before trying to shoe horn Ewan McGregor into the new movies.
seelsa73
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII
Unless it's Indiana Jones...the he'll promote the hell out of it.
Unless it's Indiana Jones...the he'll promote the hell out of it.
Re: Star Wars Episode VII
Ewan returning would be nice CGI Alec Guinness would NOT be nice :facepalm
Ewan returning would be nice
CGI Alec Guinness would NOT be nice :facepalm
Re: Star Wars Episode VII
It would make sense to have Ewan as Obi Wan if Luke was playing a recording, or Holocron that Obi Wan made for him during his time in the Tatooine desert. That would make sense because Obi Wan would be dumb not to record everything he knew about the Jedi to help Luke in the future. Obi Wan would have to assume that all Jedi knowledge might be erased by the Sith and he had 19 years to do it!
Otherwise I'd rather see Ewan come back as Obi Wan in a spinoff or something. It wouldn't make sense that young Obi Wan comes back to talk to Luke instead of the Alec Guiness version that's come back every other time. I think if anything, Prequel haters and people who like the Prequels can agree that Ewan did a great job as Obi Wan.
It would make sense to have Ewan as Obi Wan if Luke was playing a recording, or Holocron that Obi Wan made for him during his time in the Tatooine desert. That would make sense because Obi Wan would be dumb not to record everything he knew about the Jedi to help Luke in the future. Obi Wan would have to assume that all Jedi knowledge might be erased by the Sith and he had 19 years to do it!
Otherwise I'd rather see Ewan come back as Obi Wan in a spinoff or something. It wouldn't make sense that young Obi Wan comes back to talk to Luke instead of the Alec Guiness version that's come back every other time. I think if anything, Prequel haters and people who like the Prequels can agree that Ewan did a great job as Obi Wan.
seelsa73
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Zombie_61
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII
You know what this means--Force Ghost Obi-Wan versus Force Ghost Sidious in a Force Ghost Lightsaber duel. :lol
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