Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release)

[Monkey67]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Bringing the twenty back would still be a good idea. they learn of the down fall of the empire due to a Jedi..a skywalker none the less. throw some stuff in about a new order that they made. I want fights..lots of fights, make this look like a battle of jedi / Sith lords in the old days. none of this clone wars crap arena fight. bust out the hilts n force powers on each other.

There will be a kid / teen / adult of the skywalker blood line...either luke or Leia's kid.

 

[EyeofSauron]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

50 % of the time, it works all the time

 

[Jedi-72]

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The Empire was modeled very much after the Nazis, with the Emperor at the top of the command structure having final say and authority. Much like the Nazis, one can imagine the power structure being innundated with power hungry megalomaniacs looking for every opportunity to stab one another in the back to advance themselves or their individual agendas. With the Emperor out of the picture, the snake loses its head and the centralized power and authority would disintegrate. You'd likey have high ranking people forming alliances, betraying one another, etc in order to seize or increase their own power. Without a strong central figure to rule and keep the bootlickers in check, chaos would result. You'd probably have imperial factions, splinters of the true cross, vying for supremacy, as much as at war with one another as with the rebellion. With the guiding influence of the Sith gone, this is an environment where a ressurgent Jedi order would have its work cut out for it in battling back the warring factions in order to create some semblance of stability for a New Republic.

At the same time one has to assume that more Jedi survived than Just Luke. This could set the stage for a civil war among the Jedi. Those wanting to fill the power void in the Empire, taking up the Emperor's reigns so to speak in order to use their strength and power to coalesce the splintered factions in order to more effectively "rule" the galaxy as opposed to serve it versus those who would see it returned to the people as a true republic.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

At the same time one has to assume that more Jedi survived than Just Luke.

Not according to Lucas' mythos (which I'd be happy to disband) that the "balance" was at the end of ROTS there was only Palpatine, Vader, Yoda, and Obi-Wan.

 

[Rockband]

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Not according to Lucas' mythos (which I'd be happy to disband) that the "balance" was at the end of ROTS there was only Palpatine, Vader, Yoda, and Obi-Wan.

I tend to agree with your statement but this is where it gets kind of fuzzy. EU and the movies don't quite mesh on this (and they won't. There is just too much EU that was made before Lucas said he was the final nod on all things SW.)

 

[Zuiun]

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I know we've moved on from the JJ as director thing, but this is a must read for anyone not convinced of his dedication Director J.J. Abrams and His Lifelong Appreciation of Star Wars | Star Wars Blog

Judging by this quote, it seems to me that JJ "gets it" more than Lucas:


"...for me the character of Darth Vader was always so compelling because you were putting together all these thing in your head and making all these assumptions that to get to know Anakin as much as we ultimately did, changes the way you consider Darth Vader. It’s crazy to me that my kids relate to Anakin; which to me is criminal because I grew up believing Vader is a bad guy. I related to Luke and Leia and Han Solo. You don’t relate to Vader! I still think it’s wrong to be on Anakin’s side."

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Judging by this quote, it seems to me that JJ "gets it" more than Lucas:


"...for me the character of Darth Vader was always so compelling because you were putting together all these thing in your head and making all these assumptions that to get to know Anakin as much as we ultimately did, changes the way you consider Darth Vader. It’s crazy to me that my kids relate to Anakin; which to me is criminal because I grew up believing Vader is a bad guy. I related to Luke and Leia and Han Solo. You don’t relate to Vader! I still think it’s wrong to be on Anakin’s side."

Agreed. Anakin is a mass murderer even before he joins the Dark Side.

 

[Bigdaddy]

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I'm really glad my daughter saw the OT (even the SE) before she saw the PT, as far as she is concerned Lukes the Man :thumbsup . She had a crush on teenage Mark for a while until she saw a recent picture of him :lol , "he could be my grandpa!" was her response.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I tend to agree with your statement but this is where it gets kind of fuzzy. EU and the movies don't quite mesh on this (and they won't. There is just too much EU that was made before Lucas said he was the final nod on all things SW.)

I hear ya, but the EU has never been cannon.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I'm really glad my daughter saw the OT (even the SE) before she saw the PT, as far as she is concerned Lukes the Man :thumbsup . She had a crush on teenage Mark for a while until she saw a recent picture of him :lol , "he could be my grandpa!" was her response.

:lol

My kids too (aside from the crush part). Every once in a while they ask to see Star Wars and they make sure to specify "Real" Star Wars. thumbsup:thumbsup

 

[Jeyl]

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I may be alone in thinking this, but one of my hopes is that they drop this whole "Dark Side of the Force!" shenanigans. Even as a little kid, I always thought it was a vague, undefined and cheap story telling tactic. I mean, the Jedi forbid attachments like it was a deadly mind controlling curse that takes away all free will and totally alters who you are. Why? Because it's a path to the dark side. What is the dark side? If the dark side is something that actually tempts you into doing bad things, why doesn't anyone discuss it more thoroughly? Why not learn how to handle the dark side instead of conforming to all these stupid rules in hopes no one will ever experience it? It's like they don't even have a back up plan or a "what if" scenario should one of their ranks turn towards the dark side, what ever that is.

 

[Monkey67]

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it would be stupid to think that no other people are out there that can dabble in the force. They might not be getting trained by a jedi or a Sith lord..but they could be learning n training on their own. The force is within them. once they see that they can do other things no one else can. They will likely try to control and master the new found powers. plus also seek out those that might have the same powers. i doubt all knowledge of the force has been removed or destroyed. Their will be books and other computer files n crap on it. Maybe the gangs like the hutts or power hungry empire leaders have been seeking out the gifted people to use them for personal gains. the gifted ones with the force might be able to sense others around them. ( think highlander). It worked with Luke about "who's your daddy and what does he do?" ( Ha)

I think Luke is gonna have his hands full of rougue n gangs of Force members bad n good.

 

[Zuiun]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Even as a little kid, I always thought it was a vague, undefined and cheap story telling tactic. I mean, the Jedi forbid attachments like it was a deadly mind controlling curse that takes away all free will and totally alters who you are. Why?

I could be wrong in this, but I thought I read somewhere that Lucas came up with the whole "detachment" thing after going through his divorce and basically hated the notion of relationships.

In that sense, I agree with you.

I *do* like the idea of the dark side, though. But I'd prefer it be more clearly attached to unhealthy emotions (anger, jealousy, etc.). That was the direction it seemed to be intended for until Lucas decided that love was evil.

 

[Bigdaddy]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I like the idea that the Force is just the Force, the light and dark are dependent on the user, but that's not the way GL sees it..

 

[Michael Bergeron]

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Think of the Force just like any other power. It can be used for good or for bad, in that regard negative emotions are a "path" to the bad, the "Dark Side".

The natural (although completely flawed) notion is to try and shut off all potential for negative emotion, which romantic relationships certainly hold. Much like the Catholic Church forbidding relationships is supposed to remove that negative potential.

In practice of course it never works, but it's certainly plausible that it would be something the Jedi order would try. They're in a sense, monks. Devoted to their religion and nothing else.

 

[Bigdaddy]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Think of the Force just like any other power. It can be used for good or for bad, in that regard negative emotions are a "path" to the bad, the "Dark Side".

The natural (although completely flawed) notion is to try and shut off all potential for negative emotion, which romantic relationships certainly hold. Much like the Catholic Church forbidding relationships is supposed to remove that negative potential.

In practice of course it never works, but it's certainly plausible that it would be something the Jedi order would try. They're in a sense, monks. Devoted to their religion and nothing else.

That's better than i could have said it :thumbsup

 

[Lutso]

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100 pages!!!

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

100 pages!!!

Love it or hate it that should silence anyone who says that Star Wars isn't still a massive franchise with a huge spotlight on it. :lol

 

[Edwardowan]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

it would be stupid to think that no other people are out there that can dabble in the force. They might not be getting trained by a jedi or a Sith lord..but they could be learning n training on their own. The force is within them. once they see that they can do other things no one else can. They will likely try to control and master the new found powers. plus also seek out those that might have the same powers. i doubt all knowledge of the force has been removed or destroyed. Their will be books and other computer files n crap on it. Maybe the gangs like the hutts or power hungry empire leaders have been seeking out the gifted people to use them for personal gains. the gifted ones with the force might be able to sense others around them. ( think highlander). It worked with Luke about "who's your daddy and what does he do?" ( Ha)

I think Luke is gonna have his hands full of rougue n gangs of Force members bad n good.

good point. it would be possible for some force potential people to never be discovered by the JEDI and its a big galaxy...
and even Yoda says: My own counsel will I keep on who is to be trained. I take that as meaning they may determine someone should not be trained even though they had potential...perhaps too old, too attached etc...
They had to find or younglings brought to them or brought to their attention but not all families would consider doing so I would surmise.
According to Qui-Gon it was also a choice as he said: ""It will be a hard life; one without reward, without remorse, without regret. A path will be placed before you. The choice is yours alone. Do what you think you cannot do. It will be a hard life, but you will find out who you are.""

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

it would be stupid to think that no other people are out there that can dabble in the force.

Of course, but the thought is that without training that person isn't going to construct themselves a lightsaber and go toe to toe with a trained Jedi or Sith.

We'll see I suppose!