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I'm going with Vader's apprentice comes back to rebuild the empire. Vader had one, you just never heard about him due to them looking at Luke. Vader knew that old man crackle laugh was getting old and wouldnt live much longer. Plus you gotta think its a Empire..not one dude running the whole show. They had other governing bodies and leaders. For all we know they could have been training tons of sith lords on the down low. That would get you a full out battle of jedi vs. sith as long a luke has been working on training and rebuilding the Jedi's. Could be a secert order thats been training and hiding that even the empire had no idea about.

My buddy is star wars nut and told me about in some book. Luke was going to the dark side by getting trained by the clone of Palatine. now, they siad they couldnt clone jedi back in the one movie...but fast forward 30 years. You cant really say yes or no. Crap changes. None the less..i dont know if he is right or wrong due to his craziness about star wars.
 
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Jannix Quinn said:
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This is makes for some really cool ideas!:cool
 
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Psab keel said:
I think it would be really lame if Luke went to the dark side. I mean seriously? Wouldn't it kind of render all of his sacrifices, including risking his life to save his father, kind of pointless?
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Don't get me wrong, I did say that it would cast the OT in a very different light AND even if I was writing the script I wouldn't do it... HOWEVER it's not lame at all, it's actually intriguing when you think about it. We start with him concealed and get a great reveal of Luke at some point in the trilogy. We get to explore multiple routes to the dark side. No master and apprentice, but now a solitary fall out of disallusionment.

Do we really need to retread that plotline?
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As I said, completely different plot line. Not a fall due to lust for power or influence from other parties but almost a fall out of necessity. Those who topple tyrants often turn into tyrants themselves.

As I said, I'd never do it and they certainly won't do it but it's a great concept to explore. Wasn't there a book where he turned? (I have only read the Zahn trilogy, not much for fan fiction).
 
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well, if the balance of the force is par to Yin and Yang where contrary forces are interconnected and interdependent and how they give rise to each other as they interrelate to one another and yet Luke is the last Jedi and there are no Sith then it could be that the opposites are needed to be recreated. Everything has an opposite so the good side of the force can only be known if there is a dark side... Perhaps Luke is on a quest to understand his father... "If one is to understand the great mystery, one must study all its aspects"

But again, it isn't in Luke's character to be tempted by the dark side as he knows the destructive nature of it so it would have to be taken upon by another. (no not Leia!)

I'd sooner there was a secret apprentice that either Vader or Palpy were prepping before they discovered the offspring of Anakin Skywalker.


Michael Bergeron said:
Don't get me wrong, I did say that it would cast the OT in a very different light AND even if I was writing the script I wouldn't do it... HOWEVER it's not lame at all, it's actually intriguing when you think about it. We start with him concealed and get a great reveal of Luke at some point in the trilogy. We get to explore multiple routes to the dark side. No master and apprentice, but now a solitary fall out of disallusionment.



As I said, completely different plot line. Not a fall due to lust for power or influence from other parties but almost a fall out of necessity. Those who topple tyrants often turn into tyrants themselves.

As I said, I'd never do it and they certainly won't do it but it's a great concept to explore. Wasn't there a book where he turned? (I have only read the Zahn trilogy, not much for fan fiction).
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Edwardowan said:
well, if the balance of the force is par to Yin and Yang where contrary forces are interconnected and interdependent and how they give rise to each other as they interrelate to one another and yet Luke is the last Jedi and there are no Sith then it could be that the opposites are needed to be recreated. Everything has an opposite so the good side of the force can only be known if there is a dark side... Perhaps Luke is on a quest to understand his father... "If one is to understand the great mystery, one must study all its aspects"
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That's where the offspring of Leia & Han come in to play in this scenario. ;)

But again, it isn't in Luke's character to be tempted by the dark side as he knows the destructive nature of it so it would have to be taken upon by another. (no not Leia!)
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I disagree! Especially with the inclusion of ROTS Luke comes very close to turning in ROTJ and as I mentioned he does in one of the books. The reason the Jedi were so lame in the PT is because they didn't have that internal conflict. Luke & Vader did which made them infinitely more interesting characters.

I'd sooner there was a secret apprentice that either Vader or Palpy were prepping before they discovered the offspring of Anakin Skywalker.
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Honestly this is the kind of lame "easy road" concept that I'm expecting. It's not a bad idea but it doesn't do anything to honestly push the story forward or take any kind of risks. It's just creating a new bad guy because we need one. :(
 
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Michael Bergeron said:
That's where the offspring of Leia & Han come in to play in this scenario. ;)



I disagree! Especially with the inclusion of ROTS Luke comes very close to turning in ROTJ and as I mentioned he does in one of the books. The reason the Jedi were so lame in the PT is because they didn't have that internal conflict. Luke & Vader did which made them infinitely more interesting characters.



Honestly this is the kind of lame "easy road" concept that I'm expecting. It's not a bad idea but it doesn't do anything to honestly push the story forward or take any kind of risks. It's just creating a new bad guy because we need one. :(
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well, one could say that Han and Leia's offspring turning is also just creating a new bad guy because we need one. No matter how its done there is bad guy created because we need conflict. But I agree, the internal conflict between Luke and Vader made them compelling. That is also why someone like Count Dooku was cool because he was a JEDI that was fed up and apparently, according to some back story reference, there is a missing seven of which I think Dooku was one. They broke off the JEDI order to do their own thing.
Luke only got marginal training so he could lose control or not know how to pass on what he has learned so loses control of one or more of his students.
I'll be curious to see how this plays out.
 
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Edwardowan said:
well, one could say that Han and Leia's offspring turning is also just creating a new bad guy because we need one. No matter how its done there is bad guy created because we need conflict. But I agree, the internal conflict between Luke and Vader made them compelling. That is also why someone like Count Dooku was cool because he was a JEDI that was fed up and apparently, according to some back story reference, there is a missing seven of which I think Dooku was one. They broke off the JEDI order to do their own thing.
Luke only got marginal training so he could lose control or not know how to pass on what he has learned so loses control of one or more of his students.
I'll be curious to see how this plays out.
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They really should have done more with Dooku. What we saw on film was very poor character development and there was a lot of potential there. :(

Losing control of students is a good idea. One becomes uber powerful, kills luke, and Luke's good students have to stop him from further destroying the New Republic...
 
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Michael Bergeron said:
They really should have done more with Dooku. What we saw on film was very poor character development and there was a lot of potential there. :(

Losing control of students is a good idea. One becomes uber powerful, kills luke, and Luke's good students have to stop him from further destroying the New Republic...
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there you go! that is cool! ya, they could have delved deeper into Dooku's lament for the Jedi... I would like to see the next films dig deeper into the thoughts and ideals of the Sith.
 
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cool picture ^. Chewy must have gotten a box of "Just for Wookies" hair dye. That dude should be turning grey by now.

I'm with ya on the interworking of the Sith and old jedi's getting sick of the order. I think they should go into a rouge group that left the jedi order to create a new better use of their power band / group. I still Blame Yoda as the down fall of the Jedi. He was nothing more than a punk in the end. Couldnt give props n respect to Anie, thus pushing him to seek other means of respect n power. plus the fact that he ran away from Palatine in the end. Obi calls yoda to say Yeah..i whooped the kid. Yoda answer..away i ran. Crap you could have Obi come in and tag team Crackle laugh.
 
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Michael Bergeron said:
Losing control of students is a good idea. One becomes uber powerful, kills luke, and Luke's good students have to stop him from further destroying the New Republic...
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Too Kung Fu Panda.

The Dark Knight quote was brought up earlier in the thread. And that statement is usually not used for someone being tempted by someone else to turn bad, but rather due to frustration and feeling that if you have the power - which Jedi do - to make people go with how you think things should be run, you slowly lose yourself in the struggle of doing the wrong things for the right reasons - which is basically what Anakin talks about in AotC - the Jedi have the power to rule, yet choose to let people and factions destroy everything because of selfish reasons and greed and distrust and fear. That is basically the struggle I imagined Anakin would go through and why he ultimately chose the Dark Side, because he saw nothing good coming from the Republic or how the Jedi were basically slaves to the interests of the wealthy, and saw Palpatine as the one who through force would stop all that and bring proper rule - Anakin just got lost in the monster he created.

But sadly that wasn't to be. But... I can very well see Luke go that route by refusing to pledge the kind of allegiance to the New Republic as the old Jedi Order did, which resulted in their demise. And the political strain that would bring... and, if we have the unruly and struggling member worlds and outsiders refusing to do things for the betterment of all - I can see Luke perhaps taking steps he'd never thought he would in order to maintain peace.

But as much as I'd love to see such drama, such struggle - internal as well as external - it just pulls everything that was accomplished at the end of RotJ apart... and I usually don't like stories that just ruin what took so long to achieve in what came before. It's like... everything is just all for nothing. We have enough of that in real life.

And please... no more new baddie pr episode.
 
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Michael Bergeron said:
Star Wars VII: The Search for Han

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The entire Sequel Trilogy will be Luke searching for Han, following lead after lead, rumor after rumor, concerned all the while that Han's in some kind of mortal danger. Then, at the end of Episode IX, it turns out Han has been drinking in the Mos Eisley cantina with a three-breasted hottie from the Ovarian system the entire time.
 
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Edwardowan said:
That is also why someone like Count Dooku was cool because he was a JEDI that was fed up and apparently, according to some back story reference, there is a missing seven of which I think Dooku was one.
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It's actually the Lost Twenty, of which Dooku was the last. It refers to the only Jedi who had left the order of their own volition to that point in time. Those busts that Obi-Wan is looking at in the Jedi Library in AOTC are of the Lost Twenty.

And while we're on the subject of corrections, the plural form of Jedi is Jedi, not Jedi's as some have written.
 
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