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[Psab keel]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

The Star Wars films are about the Skywalker family line.

The PT was Anakin's story. The OT was Luke's story. The ST will likely be the son of Luke, or something to that effect.

I'd rather see J J Abrams direct this that James Cameron. Avatar's effects were amazing, but that's about all.

 

[tgreco]

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Poor analogy, greco. The Star Wars prequels, despite many of you hating them, made gobs of money at the box office. It isn't a franchise in need of a rescue.

The Wook

And for Disney that's all it's about. A money grab.

here's the perfect anology:

and so did the Lord of the Rings movies.... I say dead, because it was assumed that they were done.

After the Hobbit series is over, do you really think continueing the story after Return of the King makes any sense? Oh, I'm sure they could have a lot of media attention. Wait 5 years, and then bam!:
HEY, MORE MIDDLE EARTH.
I mean, LOTR was a great series right?.... wouldn't MORE be BETTER?

No. No it wouldn't. As a matter of fact it would cheapen the whole thing. It would be considered a flagrant money grab.

And that's exactly how I see 7,8, 9 and beyond.

Hey The first trilogy was about Bilbo... The second about Frodo.... Now how about the third series Brofrodo Bil Baggins

 

[Psab keel]

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Weren't 1, 2, and 3 a money grab?

Hell you could say that any sequel after A New Hope was a money grab. The original Star Wars was a complete story.

 

[tgreco]

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What? you don't want to find out that The Evil of Sauron was displaced from the Ring of Power, and went into Frodo's broach, unbeknownst to our heros, and how Frodo's son, Brofrodo Bil Baggins had to walk through the weeds of Iowanika to destroy the broach of bad feeling and harsh language?

 

[seelsa73]

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Star Trek was nothing more than him riding the fence, meaning he didn't have the guts to do a complete reworking or the guts to do a film that was true to the franchise, and used the time travel idea to try and hide the fact that he didn't have the guts to make a choice (as a result, the film suffers terribly across the board).

So, my "hating" as you call it, isn't without a good reason.

I know a lot of die hard Trek fans who absolutely loved the movie. I'm not a die hard but i like Trek and i loved it too. And let's not forget that Abrams is not responsible for the script itself, which was written long before he became involved with the film. So if yer going to blame somebody for you not liking the story, blame Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman.

The writers did the time travel story so as not to **** off the die hard fan base who loved the series and movies, imperfect as some of them were, and to keep those story's canon while at the same time starting over with something new. I found the approach actually quite brilliant.

And yes what you said does qualify as "hating" since you are obviously very worked up and angry about it.

As for Abrams other films as director, they have all been widely praised by critics and have brought in tons of money for Paramount.

I'm a fan of Abrams' work and I for one am excited about the possibilities of the new film.

 

[Riceball]

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I think that JJ has potential to make Ep. VII great, I remain hopefully optimistic. Personally, I don't think it's fair to judge JJ on what he'll do with Ep. VII based on Trek '09, sure he took the helm on another highly popular sci-fi franchise and made it very much his but Trek '09 was intended to be that way. With Trek '09 Abrams directed a reboot of Star Trek not another direct sequel set in the old existing timeline, with Ep. VII we (should) be getting a direct sequel to all of the previous 6 movies that would not only be in the same universe but in the same timeline this time. That's assuming that the suits at Disney aren't complete idiots and dictate Ep. VII not really be a true Ep. VII but a reboot, then, I think, we'd all have a lot to complain about. But I don't think they're that stupid and they'll let LF and Abrams do pretty much what they want and you have to figure that John Lassiter is the chief creative officer, or something to that effect, over at Disney and I think that he would tell the suits (or JJ for that matter) to stuff it if they wanted to make Ep. VII into a reboot movie. Since Lassiter reports only to Iger (or whoever the head of Disney is now) it's not like some other suits are going to overrule him and I'm pretty sure that his boss would probably accept his recommendation and not overrule him.

 

[Psab keel]

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You can't make everyone happy... that's life.

 

[The Wook]

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After the Hobbit series is over, do you really think continueing the story after Return of the King makes any sense? Oh, I'm sure they could have a lot of media attention. Wait 5 years, and then bam!:
HEY, MORE MIDDLE EARTH.
I mean, LOTR was a great series right?.... wouldn't MORE be BETTER?

No. No it wouldn't. As a matter of fact it would cheapen the whole thing. It would be considered a flagrant money grab.

Well, according to this new Hobbit trailer, the series won't be over 'til 2028.

http://www.therpf.com/f47/snl-skewers-hobbit-174242/

The Wook

 

[seelsa73]

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One quick question: If so many of you are against this movie, why are you on here debating about it? If you think SW outside of the OT is crap and don't want to see any more, then move on from this thread to a different one so the rest of us who actually want to see more can enjoy discussing it. Please.

 

[ajayofcanada]

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I read that JJ Abrams will not be directing Star Wars, he said he wants to stay loyal to Star Trek.

Either way, I'm looking forward to it, isn't it about entertainment?

 

[Kohrsfilms]

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I'm cautiously optimistic about JJ Abrams.

I don't think he'll intentionally do a bad job, because he is a self professed Star Wars fanboy. But I am concerned because I wasn't at all impressed with Super 8. I was expecting to love the movie because of it's overt "Spielberg-esque" style. But it ended up just being an overall "meh" movie experience for me.

I liked the Star Trek reboot movie and am eagerly awaiting to see the sequel this summer. But it is just odd to me that he will be in charge of both Star Trek and Star Wars. They are both very different from each other. I'm just hoping that he can differentiate between them and make each it's own separate thing. His visual style was very obvious in Star Trek. I don't want his style to overshadow the look that has already been established in the first 6 movies. I just imagine seeing Luke, Han, and Leia all sitting around drinking slushos with harsh lens flares blasting from behind.

He has a resume full of things that I like, but nothing really that I LOVE. Which I find concerning because I have always LOVED Star Wars (except for the PT, I don't wanna talk about those). I just hope that he can pull it off. I'm crossing my fingers and hoping for the best.

 

[Palpy]

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I thought Star Wars was supposed to be the Saga of Anakin Skywalkers rise, fall, and redemption. And that is why I say Star Wars is dead...
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Although I don't agree with the conclusion (there has always been a huge extended universe in SW that many SW fans love and that has been keeping SW alive for decades) I think from a movie perspective this is an interesting point. However did GL not admit himself that he initially had 9 episodes plotted out?

 

[tgreco]

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as much as I'd like to discuss this, apparently the opinions of those who see this as a bad thing aren't welcome in this thread.

 

[niennumb1]

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If the internet existed then I wonder what the discussion would be here flashback to 1978 releasing the announcement that Irvin Kershner would be helming "The Empire Strikes Back."

"Why him???? His last film was Eyes of Laura Mars! He can't do Star Wars! This is going to suck without George Lucas directing!"

 

[gizmo]

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Well I'm mostly pleased about this. I'm a Trekkie as well as a die hard star wars fan. I really liked what he did with trek. To me anyway it still felt like trek but gave it something new. I'm just hoping that he can do the same for star wars. Maybe its really what we need. Oh and I'm dying to see "into darkness" too.

As a side note can you imagine the awesome lens flare on the light sabers.


Ben

 

[Too Much Garlic]

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many would say George Lucas already ruined Star Wars with the prequels and the Special Editions... no where else to go with this but up I say. and if he doesn't do a good job then pop in the OT and be happy. opcorn

You can't even do that in decent quality.

I liked the new Trek, but it certainly wasn't "Trek". It was a wannabe Star Wars taking place in the Trek universe. If he can't even keep the tone right for one franchise... I have much doubt he'll be anything but an imitation painter with Star Wars - it looks right, but it's still a fake.

The Star Wars films are about the Skywalker family line.

The PT was Anakin's story. The OT was Luke's story. The ST will likely be the son of Luke, or something to that effect.

I'd rather see J J Abrams direct this that James Cameron. Avatar's effects were amazing, but that's about all.

ST would make more sense to be Leia's kids. And then Luke has to train them. Or something.

I certainly didn't want James Cameron to direct Star Wars - his style is very far removed from what Star Wars is and I don't think he could adjust. James Cameron makes James Cameron movies.

Maybe I'd rate Abrams up there with news if it had been Joe Johnston. Sure Johnston has a connection with the OT, but his directing style is pretty bland. Abrams certainly provided energy in the Star Trek movie... and I liked the way Lost season 1 was shot and directed - never bothered with the rest as it was evident that things would just go on and on and on forever without resolution - but still. Thinking about it... there are a few directors I would have preferred... but... not really any greats. Just think Abrams have too much baggage from jumping ship from the Star Trek franchise and that is what's working against him.

As a side note can you imagine the awesome lens flare on the light sabers.

You mean the same type as seen in ANH? If he can make the sabers look dangerous again and not just look like halogen glowsticks, then that would be a huge improvement. The fluttering, sputtering, pulsating look of the OT sabers made them look and feel absolutely dangerous.

 

[Redtogusa]

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When I first read that Abrams will direct I wasn't keen. I didn't like Trek '09. But after sitting down and thinking about it I realised the reason I didn't like trek '09 was because it was too much like Star Wars and not enough like Star Trek. Surely then this bodes well for EpVII. Plus I really liked Super 8.
But yeah, loose the lens flare for EpVII.

 

[gizmo]

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Carsten the lens flare thing was a joke as it was overdone in Trek. What you say about the sabers in ANH I 110% agree with. The original ANH saber look,sound and feel is my favorite for sure. Didnt like the prequel sabers at all.

Ben

 

[Too Much Garlic]

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Carsten the lens flare thing was a joke as it was overdone in Trek. What you say about the sabers in ANH I 110% agree with. The original ANH saber look,sound and feel is my favorite for sure. Didnt like the prequel sabers at all.

Ben

I know it was a joke. Except, there was those lens flares or flashes when the sabers where close to each other, but not touching. Like a static electrical charge. And that helped make them appear dangerous and you instinctively understood why only Jedi carried lightsabers.

 

[Edwardowan]

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interesting article: 14 ways of looking at J.J. Abrams' 'Star Wars' J.J. Abrams directing 'Star Wars Episode VII': 14 Stages of Acceptance | PopWatch | EW.com