Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release)

[astroboy]

If all the stormtroopers were clones, wouldn't the officers be clones too?.

I don't know if deleted scenes can be part of canon (probably not)

But there is the deleted scene in ANH where luke talks to Biggs about signing up for the imperial academy.


Then there's also the episode of rebels where Ezra infiltrates junior stormtroopers school

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[Jaitea]

Perhaps some of this 'I thought the Stormtroopers were clones' goes back to the '77 hype

Describes the troopers as drones......

......in any case,....I think the debate is now settled they are not (all) clones

J

 

[Bryancd]

George also made no effort to show the ST'ers as clones in the screen. All their dialogue was dubbed and he could have easily used a single voice actor, but he didn't. While filming in 1976, I don't think he cared one bit about their backstory, he was just getting his film made. So that's what was on screen and what is onscreen is the canonical material Disney and Dave Filoni have to abide by.

 

[astroboy]

Does that say clones or drones?

 

[jkno]

Does that say clones or drones?

Drones

 

[Bryancd]

Drones

And drones is not the same thing as clones.

 

[Jaitea]

...but it could be where that thought/confusion sprang from

"you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view"

Obi Wan Kenobi

J

 

[Westies14]

Greedo, Jabba, Nien Nunb, Lando, Admiral Ozzel, etc? Lol!

They're odd "distant galaxy" names, but not as telling as "Grievous," "Maul," "Tyrannus," etc.

 

[astroboy]

Cad Bane



Most telling name ever.

But man....he's cool

 

[dbalschi]

http://www.starwars.com/databank/stormtroopers

They're both, "After the declaration of the Galactic Empire, the clone troopers who’d served the Republic became stormtroopers obeying the will of the Emperor, defeating the Empire’s enemies and enforcing its increasingly oppressive laws. Over time the stormtrooper ranks were filled not by clones but by recruits, trained for blind obedience and fanatical loyalty. On planets such as Lothal, stormtroopers became the face of the Empire, opposed by a brave few who dreamed of restoring freedom to the galaxy."

 

[JD]

One of my main points was (and remains) that a lot of this debate could have been avoided had JJ and company found a better way to bring Flynn into the Star Wars universe. Of course, that's all based on speculation on what I know so far about The Force Awakens.

We could debate and discuss the intention, retconning (or non-retconning), what is canon (what was and/or is intended to be, not intended to be, etc), this, that or whatever else for another million posts. It's amazing how new info pops up here and there and we really don't get any further in this discussion.

The simple fact is that now Stormtroopers are not clones. Whether that's a good idea, a bad idea or I don't care - that's up to each of us to decide.

I'm not going to let this aspect of the story ruin my enjoyment of the film.

 

[Bryancd]

One of my main points was (and remains) that a lot of this debate could have been avoided had JJ and company found a better way to bring Flynn into the Star Wars universe. Of course, that's all based on speculation on what I know so far about The Force Awakens.

We could debate and discuss the intention, retconning (or non-retconning), what is canon (what was and/or is intended to be, not intended to be, etc), this, that or whatever else for another million posts. It's amazing how new info pops up here and there and we really don't get any further in this discussion.

The simple fact is that now Stormtroopers are not clones. Whether that's a good idea, a bad idea or I don't care - that's up to each of us to decide.

I'm not going to let this aspect of the story ruin my enjoyment of the film.

But again you are critical of the character of Finn being a ST and have called that out as poor sorry telling. For those of us who didn't hold the belief that ST are clones, we see it entirely differently. I don't think that is a fair criticism.

 

[JD]

But again you are critical of the character of Finn being a ST and have called that out as poor sorry telling. For those of us who didn't hold the belief that ST are clones, we see it entirely differently. I don't think that is a fair criticism.

You're entitled to your opinion.



...even if it's wrong.

 

[Riceball]

One of my main points was (and remains) that a lot of this debate could have been avoided had JJ and company found a better way to bring Flynn into the Star Wars universe. Of course, that's all based on speculation on what I know so far about The Force Awakens.

We could debate and discuss the intention, retconning (or non-retconning), what is canon (what was and/or is intended to be, not intended to be, etc), this, that or whatever else for another million posts. It's amazing how new info pops up here and there and we really don't get any further in this discussion.

The simple fact is that now Stormtroopers are not clones. Whether that's a good idea, a bad idea or I don't care - that's up to each of us to decide.

I'm not going to let this aspect of the story ruin my enjoyment of the film.

To be fair, this is 30 odd years after the events of RotJ, so even if the original Stormtroopers were clones it wouldn't mean that the First Order would necessarily be using clones, it's not like there's something so special about Stormtroopers that you can only use clones. You also have to figure that if the FO is not simply a rebranded Empire but some sort of resurgence or coalition of Imperial fragments then it makes even less sense for them to be using clones since they probably wouldn't have access to cloning facilities or even afford to pay for clones.

 

[Bryancd]

To be fair, this is 30 odd years after the events of RotJ, so even if the original Stormtroopers were clones it wouldn't mean that the First Order would necessarily be using clones, it's not like there's something so special about Stormtroopers that you can only use clones. You also have to figure that if the FO is not simply a rebranded Empire but some sort of resurgence or coalition of Imperial fragments then it makes even less sense for them to be using clones since they probably wouldn't have access to cloning facilities or even afford to pay for clones.

Which is made a bit more clear in that description of the First Order on the side of the 6" ST San Diego Comic Con exclusive figure. I posted the link a few pages back.

 

[astroboy]

To add a little more fuel to the fire, in the rebels season 2 trailer, Rex refers to the 501st clone battalion.


He also says, "I hope you brought a better class of soldier than those..." Storm" troopers"

 

[Bryancd]

To add a little more fuel to the fire, in the rebels season 2 trailer, Rex refers to the 501st clone battalion.


He also says, "I hope you brought a better class of soldier than those..." Storm" troopers"

The implication that old clones are not impressed with the ST recruits quality.

 

[Halliwax]

The implication that old clones are not impressed with the ST recruits quality.

thats how i took it

 

[Bryancd]

Some more toy packing art work...

http://www.starwarsunderworld.com/2015/06/report-more-force-awakens-artwork.html

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

To be fair, this is 30 odd years after the events of RotJ, so even if the original Stormtroopers were clones it wouldn't mean that the First Order would necessarily be using clones, it's not like there's something so special about Stormtroopers that you can only use clones. You also have to figure that if the FO is not simply a rebranded Empire but some sort of resurgence or coalition of Imperial fragments then it makes even less sense for them to be using clones since they probably wouldn't have access to cloning facilities or even afford to pay for clones.

Now I'm totally with you there. At the point of Episode VII there are probably no clones whatsoever. It wouldn't make sense for a fragmented Empire to invest any money in clones.

When people argue for Lucas saying that some percent of the Stormtroopers are clones, people are apparently not completely reading the comments. No one at all is saying that all Stormtroopers are clones, but if you argue some are, people just pick and choose and assume that you're saying it's all clones. That's not it at all. Like I said in my last post, it's probably like 5-10% that are clones.