Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release)

[Bryancd]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I know that it was always GL's intent that Luke would remain alone and would not be inclined to restart the Jedi Order, he has mentioned so much in interviews. If Kasdan and JJ and Arendt keep with some of GL's story treatment, then a lone Luke is a real possibility.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

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I don't remember ever hearing him say Luke wouldn't rebuild the Jedi. That doesn't even make sense. In ROTJ Luke pretty much tells Leia that he's going to train her. That doesn't sound like someone content to let the Jedi Order die. I know Mark Hamill has said he would have liked to see Luke as a hermit or something.

 

[seelsa73]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Yes, I've never heard that either. I do remember it from Hamill, though.

 

[Bryancd]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I'm try and rack my feeble mind to recall where I heard that, although I am pretty sure it was from The ForceCast back when Jason and Jimmy wee still hosting and it may have been part of a conversation with Dave Filloni. I also recall hearing something similar from Seth Green on The ForceCast about how much GL hated Mara Jade and the idea that Luke would get married and have a family.

Back to Tatooine, we should keep in mind the planet has been in every SW film except ESB. On this weeks RebelForce Radio, Jimmy Mac and Steve Glauson were speculating that Luke post Anakin's death returns to Tatooine to live as a hermit and EpVII begins with maybe Leia coming to get him to help with some crises.

 

[robn1]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

...Luke post Anakin's death returns to Tatooine to live as a hermit and EpVII begins with maybe Leia coming to get him to help with some crises.

"Help me Obi-Luke, you're my only hope"?

 

[Lutso]

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Not to keep harping on the subject, but doesn't Yoda have a line in ROTJ about Luke's responsibility to pass on what he learned? I always took that as an allusion to a Jedi Academy, even back before the Jedi Academy was a real thing. But as someone else pointed out, that could have also just meant Leia, who Luke later pretty much says he will train.

 

[Bryancd]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Not to keep harping on the subject, but doesn't Yoda have a line in ROTJ about Luke's responsibility to pass on what he learned? I always took that as an allusion to a Jedi Academy, even back before the Jedi Academy was a real thing. But as someone else pointed out, that could have also just meant Leia, who Luke later pretty much says he will train.

Yeah, maybe he decides the Jedi Order needs a collective time out for 30 years and then these new films will see him looking to bring the Jedi back into the Galaxy.

 

[cboath]

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I always took 'pass on what you have learned' to be to teach Leia, or if she didn't want to learn - her kids, if they force sensitive. But it is a bit of an open ended/open to interpretation statement. Frankly, with his sister having the ability to use the force and potential offspring (they have no clue now that love and such was forbidden by the order in the past), it'd be irresponsible of Luke to not teach anyone he ran into who was capable of using the force to use it right. Otherwise, left to your own devices, you likely easily end up falling to the dark side.

As far as comments Luke's future - things like the jedi temple/tutoring/padawan stuff had yet to be thought of or at least broached to the public.

The only comment i've heard on it from Hamill in the past was that in 7 he would basically be the ben character.

 

[Zombie_61]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

...As far as comments Luke's future - things like the jedi temple/tutoring/padawan stuff had yet to be thought of or at least broached to the public...

Exactly right. Also, since Yoda focused Luke's training on strengthening his understanding and use of The Force, Luke would have little or no knowledge of what the Jedi temple was like, what it's hierarchy was, and probably never heard the word "padawan". I suppose it's possible for him to have done his own research and learned more about the Jedi and the Old Republic during the intervening years between the Battle of Endor and the beginning of Episode VII, but they'll need to make that clear if it's going to be part of the storyline of the next movie(s).

 

[batguy]

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Exactly right. Also, since Yoda focused Luke's training on strengthening his understanding and use of The Force, Luke would have little or no knowledge of what the Jedi temple was like, what it's hierarchy was, and probably never heard the word "padawan". I suppose it's possible for him to have done his own research and learned more about the Jedi and the Old Republic during the intervening years between the Battle of Endor and the beginning of Episode VII, but they'll need to make that clear if it's going to be part of the storyline of the next movie(s).

Since when does death prevent a Jedi from telling stuff to other living Jedis?

Ep#7 could open with Yoda & Ben & Qui-Gon & Anakin all kicking Luke's ass in "World of Warcraft".

 

[cboath]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

The point isn't what WILL happen in 7, but rather, is about what was known when. People saying comments were made long ago, etc. The comments I heard from Hamill were pre-TPM. The timeframe of comments - at least pre-PT - none of jedi history was known, period. It was created more or less in the mid to late 90's.

As far as E7 goes, seeing that all that has been presented on screen that luke could know didn't contain a bit of that info - there's no reason to think he has to know it now. The emperor likely destroyed the jedi temple, or at least it's contents after going through it. Why leave it there? There could be info out there about the jedi history - and that could be a plot point for the ST. Luke and/or the good guys having to find essential jedi info to beat the bad guys.

As for ben or whatever ghost telling him, who says the ghosts can go on forever? Qui-Gon never talked to luke in the OT, so why start now? I like the idea of no force ghosts because it kinda needs to be alec an that can't happen. Best to have had it end well in the past, just like Zahn did it. Not to mention, maybe they think it's best if he starts from scratch seeing how it all ended last time.

 

[Lutso]

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I think it would be brilliant if Luke made a new system of Jedi with no knowledge of the past, and the two shared almost nothing in common.

All we ever hear about in the PT is how arrogant and weak the Jedi have become, why replicate it? Luke's a clever guy, he could probably learn from their mistakes.

 

[The Terminator]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

The Jedi would also be stronger if they use both sides of the force... like Kyle Katarn. He is clearly a good guy even though the powers he use "some consider to be unnatural"

 

[Krull]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

The Jedi would also be stronger if they use both sides of the force... like Kyle Katarn. He is clearly a good guy even though the powers he use "some consider to be unnatural"

Like I said here already SW needs a bunch of non Jedi force users that practice a balance of light AND dark side in combat,now if Luke maybe gets some info on what the Jedi were from them say they and the Jedi had a less then rosy relationship but they kept files on the Jedi and left the galaxy because of the rift and decide to show up a few years after the Empire's fall that could be an interesting story.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

As far as E7 goes, seeing that all that has been presented on screen that luke could know didn't contain a bit of that info - there's no reason to think he has to know it now. The emperor likely destroyed the jedi temple, or at least it's contents after going through it. Why leave it there? There could be info out there about the jedi history - and that could be a plot point for the ST. Luke and/or the good guys having to find essential jedi info to beat the bad guys.

We know the Jedi Temple is still there because it's there at the end of the ROTJ SE. The Emperor left it there to gloat over supposedly. Also you just don't destroy the archives, which is one of, if not the most, complete set of info about the galaxy. Plus I'm sure any Jedi that escaped would have tried to preserve anything they could. So there was probably enough info from surviving Jedi to help him out. We also don't have any definitive time for how long Yoda trained him in ESB. Depending on how fast the Falcon's regular drive is, Luke could have been on Dagobah for months. Yoda could have taught him a lot more than we saw on screen.

 

[Zombie_61]

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Since when does death prevent a Jedi from telling stuff to other living?

Ep#7 could open with Yoda & Ben & Qui-Gon & Anakin all kicking Luke's ass in "World of Warcraft".

Point taken. But I'd rather see them all sitting around a poker table with cigars and whatever passes for whiskey in the Star Wars universe. :lol

 

[cboath]

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We know the Jedi Temple is still there because it's there at the end of the ROTJ SE. The Emperor left it there to gloat over supposedly. Also you just don't destroy the archives, which is one of, if not the most, complete set of info about the galaxy. Plus I'm sure any Jedi that escaped would have tried to preserve anything they could. So there was probably enough info from surviving Jedi to help him out. We also don't have any definitive time for how long Yoda trained him in ESB. Depending on how fast the Falcon's regular drive is, Luke could have been on Dagobah for months. Yoda could have taught him a lot more than we saw on screen.

You're also dealing with a psycho He could have left orders to destroy everything in case of his defeat (If everyone won't take it with me, i'm taking my ball and coing home). As far as he knew, there were 2 force users left (him and vader). Upon hearing a new guy was out there, the most damaging thing for him to lose would be all that info. I'd imagine there were loads of safeguards on it. If it still existed.

I thought a good plot point would have been to have the good guys track down a lost base/temple containing a backup of the arvhices and that withoutt they can't defeat the enemy. Or a wharehouse of holocrons or something. You must understand the past to fix the future type thing. I'd have to imagine the jedi were smart enough to have an off-site back up - just in case

 

[drcraig13]

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. I'd have to imagine the jedi were smart enough to have an off-site back up - just in case

All of this is speculation of course but let's be honest the Jedi at the end were not that bright. They didn't sense Palpatine was a Sith. They didn't notice Anakin being turned. I think one of the underlying themes in the PT is that pride comes before a fall. Yoda and Mace and even Obi all thought they had it figured out and that they were beyond reproach because they were the good guys.

 

[Bryancd]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Well that's just it, the Jedi were portrayed as crippled by their own dogma. I very much doubt Luke would want to reinvent that wheel.

 

[seelsa73]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Luke's a smart guy...he can take the information he has/discovers, adopt what worked and discard what didn't; or he could just make it all up as he goes. In the EU he did both. Either way, I'm sure the Jedi will be much more well off than the Jedi of old.