Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release)

[Solo4114]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

It really could be anyone! There's a whole universe of bad guys out there. This is almost a clean slate and don't think they are too limited to their imagination in that department. I'm sure it will be awesome. I feel WAY better about this new one Abrams is working on over the alternative.

But it HAS to be the Sith! Without the Sith it's not Star Wars! And the Emperor! And the Empire! They all come back, too. Everyone's back. Even that dead ewok from ROTJ is back, only now as a Sith Ewok zombie stormtrooper.

 

[rodneyfaile]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Palpatine insinuated he had something to do with Anakin's conception. If that is true, who's to say he didn't spawn a few other Sith bastards toward the end of his career.

 

[Reelo]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Palpatine insinuated he had something to do with Anakin's conception. If that is true, who's to say he didn't spawn a few other Sith bastards toward the end of his career.

He didn't. Darth Plagueis did, however...

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[seelsa73]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I'm sure this has been already talked about, but I don't have time to comb through the 100+ posts to find the answer. Who could possibly be the new villain or villains in this new trilogy? The sith were destroyed with the death of the emperor and Vader turning back to the light side and then dying...

Personally, I don't think it needs to be the Sith, and if they want to bring back the Sith, they should really only set it up in the first film. Have a non Sith main villain for episode 7 and establish a new Sith character as a subplot.

I've been throwing this idea around in my head that i think would be a great way to do it: the Rakata. Have them being hidden in the unknown region for 25 millennia, slowly rebuilding their race, and come out of hiding to try to retake the galaxy, and along the way they encounter the One Sith or a group of Dark Jedi and team up with them. That way you have a legitimate threat that the new Republic has to deal with on their own because only the Jedi can hope to stop the evil force-users. Then you'd have double the threat and you'll get your lightsaber battles and other such force-user v. force-user conflicts. And they could have a new super-weapon they could use if they so choose. You know (or maybe some of you don't, idk) the Star Forge.

 

[jme3]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

^Who are the Rakata...?

 

[jme3]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

It really could be anyone! There's a whole universe of bad guys out there. This is almost a clean slate and don't think they are too limited to their imagination in that department. I'm sure it will be awesome. I feel WAY better about this new one Abrams is working on over the alternative.

But it HAS to be the Sith! Without the Sith it's not Star Wars! And the Emperor! And the Empire! They all come back, too. Everyone's back. Even that dead ewok from ROTJ is back, only now as a Sith Ewok zombie stormtrooper.

^Funny...:lol

You two should get along splendidly.

 

[cboath]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

^Who are the Rakata...?

Ancient alien race supposedly much more advanced than the humans/aliens/whatever of the current time SW galaxy. They're from the origin KOTOR video game and are referened in the current MMORG SWTOR as well. Don't know if they made any New Jedi Order books or not, but they were created for KOTOR.

 

[jme3]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Ancient alien race supposedly much more advanced than the humans/aliens/whatever of the current time SW galaxy. They're from the origin KOTOR video game and are referened in the current MMORG SWTOR as well. Don't know if they made any New Jedi Order books or not, but they were created for KOTOR.

In my desperation for more Star Wars years ago, I got far enough into the EU to know who the Yuuzhan Vong were, but I hadn't heard of the Karata 'til now.
Thanks for clarifying. :thumbsup

 

[rodneyfaile]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Arent they going to ignore the EU stuff?

 

[jme3]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Arent they going to ignore the EU stuff?

Who knows? The general conjecture so far has been to take Episode VII straight
from the pages of the EU. I hope that's the farthest thing from the truth...

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Who knows? The general conjecture so far has been to take Episode VII straight
from the pages of the EU. I hope that's the farthest thing from the truth...

No they shouldn't do any stories from the EU. I'd like them to follow the EU though as in use vehicles, characters, or locations if needed like the Clone Wars. I don't want to see them wipe the slate clean and completely ignore it though. That would be like a big middle finger to fans who have followed and spent money on various media over the years.

 

[Zombie_61]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Arent they going to ignore the EU stuff?

I could be wrong, but I thought Disney addressed this in one of their initial discussions/press releases about the buyout, stating they might use elements from the Expanded Universe in the Sequel Trilogy but most definitely would not be re-creating whole segments or storylines from the Expanded Universe in any of the upcoming movies.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

They've already said that EU is out the window IIRC.

 

[seelsa73]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I could be wrong, but I thought Disney addressed this in one of their initial discussions/press releases about the buyout, stating they might use elements from the Expanded Universe in the Sequel Trilogy but most definitely would not be re-creating whole segments or storylines from the Expanded Universe in any of the upcoming movies.

They've already said that EU is out the window IIRC.

I remember them saying that they would not be adapting any of the EU novels, comics, etc. as the story for the ST, but i don't recall them ever saying that the entire EU would be ignored.

I think they should keep the EU largely intact...at the very least I would like to see characters retained (at least the major ones, like the solo children and Luke's wife and their son). But even if they do throw it out, we all know GL took certain things from the EU and put them in the prequels - i.e. Coruscant and Aayla Secura - and they can do the same with the ST. I would tell them to write the story they want to tell, and if it doesn't discredit what was written before in the novels, comics, etc. tjen that stuff is still valid

 

[Solo4114]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I thought it was not that the EU was totally out the window/retconned-out-of-existence, but rather that they wouldn't be bound by the EU necessarily. What was written about in the "official" novels is only official until something on screen contradicts it. Which, really, is what was always the case. I mean, the clones in the PT didn't come from Spaarti cloning cylinders like in the Zahn books, there were no issues with clones going nuts without the influence of the Force (or with it?) on them, etc.

The issue of the EU's survival and relevance really comes up depending on two things:

1. Whether old characters' stories progressed in a way that necessarily contradicts them (e.g., Han and Leia never marry, Luke doesn't lead the new Jedi order, nobody's ever heard of Mara Jade, etc.)

2. Whether events in the films DIRECTLY contradict EU events. Like, say, Han and Leia marry and have the three kids from the EU, who are all adults, but Chewie isn't dead and nobody mentions the Vong ever. That'd pretty much retcon the whole Vong storyline out of existence.


Other than that, though, I expect that no matter what they do in the films, the hardcore fans will find ways to dodge conflicts otherwise.

 

[jme3]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I can deal with bits and pieces from the EU, the Coruscant reference above being a good one. I love that planet...! But I just honestly hope that Leia and Han did not marry and did not reproduce. I know it obviously takes reproduction/children for things to move forward, but I didn't like the kids in Episode I and I probably won't like them in the sequels...

 

[jlee562]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

But the problem with the "kids" in the prequels was bad writing and bad acting. I mean, bless Jake Lloyd's efforts, but he just wasn't given a whole lot to work with. There's no reason that there can't be a compelling storyline around kids/adolescents/teens, based on what we saw on the prequels.

Mind you, I'm not arguing necessarily that the story should be about their kids, but the time frame gives enough space to where conceivably, Leia and Han could have had kids who are teens/young adults.

 

[Solo4114]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I can deal with bits and pieces from the EU, the Coruscant reference above being a good one. I love that planet...! But I just honestly hope that Leia and Han did not marry and did not reproduce. I know it obviously takes reproduction/children for things to move forward, but I didn't like the kids in Episode I and I probably won't like them in the sequels...

I think you have to expect that they married and had kids. Whether those kids are the ones from the EU specifically -- with their personality quirks, etc., I don't know, but you have to expect that they got married and had kids. Luke it's an open question, I'd say. If he married, who'd he marry? Mara Jade? If he didn't marry her, did he marry someone else? And what's she like? Or did he adopt the same stupid tenets of the old Jedi Order and decide "A Jedi must no know love" or some crap?

That said, if we assume a real-time transition between ROTJ and now, the "kids" would be...wait for iiiiiiiiiiiiit...30 years old. Correction. 32, if the first of these films premiers in 2015. So "kids" is more "adult offspring" rather than "adorable moppets." So, if they do end up going this route, there's at least a fighting chance that it wouldn't be as godawful as TPM in its portrayal of the "kids."

 

[jme3]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

But the problem with the "kids" in the prequels was bad writing and bad acting. I mean, bless Jake Lloyd's efforts, but he just wasn't given a whole lot to work with. There's no reason that there can't be a compelling storyline around kids/adolescents/teens, based on what we saw on the prequels.

Mind you, I'm not arguing necessarily that the story should be about their kids, but the time frame gives enough space to where conceivably, Leia and Han could have had kids who are teens/young adults.

I actually didn't think Jake's performance was that bad. Yes, he could have done better with different guidance/directorship/whatever, but I didn't want to hurl or anything after seeing him like some folks did...

I think you have to expect that they married and had kids. Whether those kids are the ones from the EU specifically -- with their personality quirks, etc., I don't know, but you have to expect that they got married and had kids.

I don't know. Maybe Disney/Lucasfilm will decide that their relationship was indeed only a passing fling...:unsure

That said, if we assume a real-time transition between ROTJ and now, the "kids" would be...wait for iiiiiiiiiiiiit...30 years old. Correction. 32, if the first of these films premiers in 2015. So "kids" is more "adult offspring" rather than "adorable moppets." So, if they do end up going this route, there's at least a fighting chance that it wouldn't be as godawful as TPM in its portrayal of the "kids."

That I can deal with!

 

[Bryancd]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Looks like JJ and KK are in a collision course over the concept of secrecy!

TheForce.Net - Latest News - Kathleen Kennedy Talks Episode VII Secrecy