Personally, I feel that such a minor and rather irrelevant detail is best left for a book or comic where there is more time for such bits of extra detail. In a movie you run the risk of slowing the pacing down or boring the audience with such bits of errata.
Irrelevant? Dude. The themes involved with that saber are quite important, in my opinion anyway. What the saber represents, how Luke got his HAND CHOPPED OFF, and basically how the hell it was found, in a city among the clouds, especially considering lukes escape, needs to be explained. I hope they touch, not in the same amount of detail, how the hell Kylo got Vaders helmet. That would be nice, but I feel as though the saber NEEDS to be explained.
I totally disagree with you there. 3PO's arm wasnt responsible for actrocious acts and the was part of the downfall of one of the most powerful jedi to ever be known. Then for it to be in his sons possession, whom vader cuts HIS hand off, and for even Maz to comment "thats a story for another time", better be explained. I think thats shoddy writing, and kind of a deus ex machina of sorts just to throw in there and not reference it ever again. That was one of the few problems I had with TFA. That and Leia not hugging Chewie after Han died.
There is NO WAY they won't explain how Maz got the lightsaber. Story wise it wasn't important to break that moment to give that info, but it will be dealt with eventually.
How Kylo got the helmet shouldn't matter. What's the mystery? I assume he went to the pyre and "grave robbed" it. I don't need to see his shuttle land on endor, him hunting down the area, and then have a bunch of Ewoks watch through the bushes.
I mean in Jedi, Luke burned Vader on a make shift bonfire, probably watched til the fire died down, then went to party. it was just a forest moon... and nothing left there was his father or of any significance to Luke.
I'm sure Luke mentioned it to Kylo "Oh I burned your Grandpapa on Endor... where? I dunno... within walking distance of the bear village? Why do you keep asking? How do you get so much volume in your hair? Back in my day we just fluffed it up a bit."
The Maz scene needed the line "Where did you get this?" cuz Han would want to know, but that wasn't the time for exposition. Maybe the exposition came in the cut scenes where Maz gives it to Leia?
Since the info wasn't passed there, it will be at some point by someone.
If nothing is explained, then its just hacked writing. Look at the Xmen series. How the hell did half of that stuff even happen the way they screwed with the timeline? Simon Kinberg said "it had to because it needed to". Thats the biggest hack job that has come to recent memory. And excalibur isnt really the same thing, the story begins(as far as I know) with the sword in the stone. With this, there better be a damn explanation considering the weight that the damn thing has on the story.
I didnt say plot point to the story they are telling, but a major aspect of the mythos of the skywalkers. And from a pure logic point of view. And guys...its the damn thing that "awoke" the force in Rey. Unless Im mistaken, I have only seen it once. Seems like it would be a slap in the face of real star wars fans if they didnt explain it. Kind of blowing them off in favor of the new generation of fans that this movie has garnered.
There is NO WAY they won't explain how Maz got the lightsaber. Story wise it wasn't important to break that moment to give that info, but it will be dealt with eventually.
I think it may be dealt with in some fashion, but the full story won't be told in the film. Unless it plays an integral part in providing us with necessary backstory, then the journey's of that sabre aren't really relevant to the main story. They're certainly interesting. Don't get me wrong. But when you're dealing with a 132min film, you have to pick and choose what you explain, and that strikes me as the kind of thing that will be cut from a screenplay's 2nd version or something.
How Kylo got the helmet shouldn't matter. What's the mystery? I assume he went to the pyre and "grave robbed" it. I don't need to see his shuttle land on endor, him hunting down the area, and then have a bunch of Ewoks watch through the bushes.
Sounds like a wasted opportunity for WANTON EWOK SLAUGHTER!!!!!! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!
I mean in Jedi, Luke burned Vader on a make shift bonfire, probably watched til the fire died down, then went to party. it was just a forest moon... and nothing left there was his father or of any significance to Luke.
I'm sure Luke mentioned it to Kylo "Oh I burned your Grandpapa on Endor... where? I dunno... within walking distance of the bear village? Why do you keep asking? How do you get so much volume in your hair? Back in my day we just fluffed it up a bit."
Oh, please. You KNOW when Luke was going to Tosche station, he wasn't JUST picking up power converters. He was picking up a hair dryer.
Anyway, in seriousness, I suspect that, in a sense, the "How'd it get from there to here?" aspect of the story will be dealt with, albeit perhaps indirectly as part of a different backstory.
What I find frustrating is that they took his lightsaber and turned it into something more.
The fact is, the follow up to empire didn't involve luke going on some quest to sift through the garbage on bespin to find his lightsaber. No. He just built another one.
i dont see the lightsaber as something more? i see it as a jedi artifact. a artifact that belong to one of the best warriors in the clone wars. i see it the same way i see if when watching the OT. i just get more excited seeing it in TFA because they used a real graflex unlike ROTS
From what I've read, the new expanded universe canon is that lightsaber crystals are somehow connected to the force and their users - so they basically have midichlorians.
The way it was explained... it might mean that the ROTS/ANH/ESB/TFA saber should've had a red or white blade. When a good lightsaber's user goes to the dark side, it turns red - when they come back to the light it goes white.
That's what I was referring to in the second paragraph. I can't dig up the article at the moment, but IIRC - the kyber crystal calls out to Jedi and belongs to that Jedi - not to a dark side user or Sith. So they need to take their crystals from a Jedi... the crystal then bleeds (I'm not making this up) producing the red color. When it returns to good hands, it goes white.
So - I guess there's a little leeway with Anakin; but it's still a stretch.
as for red blades. i believe now with the Ashoka novel it explains more about the crystals. i dont want to go into too much detail to avoid spoilers. but the way i red it, the old canon they used synthetic crystals to get the red blade. now i believe its a little different... but i have to go back and read it again
The blade color is set during construction, regardless of what the wielder's "alignment" is or does later. Any electron-heavy crystals would do -- like the quartz or ruby crystals we use for timing in electical/electronic devices... But for the things the Jedi wield, they learned how to use crystals that also resonate with the Force, to further facilitate the connection between the Jedi and their weapon. The color is more a matter of how high the Jedi tweaks the cycling rate (which relies on crystals to time). More combat-focused Jedi will have more highly-tuned lightsabers... and those without access to the good crystals -- like exiled fallen Jedi -- wouldn't be able to tune their sabers as highly. "Neutral" Jedi have green lightsabers. More combat-focused Jedi have it shifted bluer. And the fallen Jedi eventually came to hold their inferior red lightsabers as a badge of their, well, not being like those other losers they left behind.
Yes, this means Mace has the most highly-tuned lightsaber of all -- except the Darksaber, but that's only got the blade in one plane instead of "spinning" like later 'sabers.
And all this is intentionally ignoring the "alignment" bullcrap various writers keep trotting out. Yes, Ahsoka's new lightsabers are silver-white, and not green like her old ones. They're the same color as Luke's in ANH. I treat it as her tunign them higher than her first ones, after all she'd been through, rather than the "she's not a Jedi so they don't have any color" twaddle Filoni said. I will keep saying this until the stupid D&D crap gets overwritten.
The blade color is set during construction, regardless of what the wielder's "alignment" is or does later. Any electron-heavy crystals would do -- like the quartz or ruby crystals we use for timing in electical/electronic devices... But for the things the Jedi wield, they learned how to use crystals that also resonate with the Force, to further facilitate the connection between the Jedi and their weapon. The color is more a matter of how high the Jedi tweaks the cycling rate (which relies on crystals to time). More combat-focused Jedi will have more highly-tuned lightsabers... and those without access to the good crystals -- like exiled fallen Jedi -- wouldn't be able to tune their sabers as highly. "Neutral" Jedi have green lightsabers. More combat-focused Jedi have it shifted bluer. And the fallen Jedi eventually came to hold their inferior red lightsabers as a badge of their, well, not being like those other losers they left behind.
Yes, this means Mace has the most highly-tuned lightsaber of all -- except the Darksaber, but that's only got the blade in one plane instead of "spinning" like later 'sabers.
And all this is intentionally ignoring the "alignment" bullcrap various writers keep trotting out. Yes, Ahsoka's new lightsabers are silver-white, and not green like her old ones. They're the same color as Luke's in ANH. I treat it as her tunign them higher than her first ones, after all she'd been through, rather than the "she's not a Jedi so they don't have any color" twaddle Filoni said. I will keep saying this until the stupid D&D crap gets overwritten.
what I've read is that the crystals used in the sabers she has in rebels came out of a inquisitors heli-saber. during the clone wars she fakes her death along with cast. Rex, burring her sabers with his fake body, making it look as though rex killed her. so ashoka went a long time without light sabers. she slowly collect bits and pieces over the years. she had come face to face with a inquisitor and beat him with out using a lightsaber. claiming his heli-saber for parts. what i have also learned from the book is the dark siders use the dark side of the force to corrupt the crystal, making it turn red. once ashoka defeated the inquisitor she took the crystals out of the heli-saber and using the force cleansed them of their dark side magic. leaving the crystals to product a white light. we are not sure if the white light is because the crystals connect to you with the force and her not being a jedi produces the white light. or that the crystals have been cleansed that she needs fine tune them still to product the other colors.
Yeah, I knew the broad strokes of that. I'm even fine with crystals having an "affinity" for one or the other aspect of the Force -- they're part of nature, after all. The cave on Dagobah was, for some reason, strong with the Dark Side. My thing is: lightsabers aren't optical phenomena. They can't be. They aren't blades of "pure energy" (whatever the heck the people writing that back in the day even thought that meant) optically focused through crystals or jewels. The blade wouldn't self-terminate, it wouldn't block another lightsaber blade, it wouldn't cast a shadow... and if it were powerful enough to do all the things we see it do, it'd render the thing it was focused through inoperable in fairly short order. So anything that talks about the crystals' colors as the reason for the blades' colors I automatically ignore. *heh*
As for Ahsoka "realigning" or otherwise cleansing the corrupted crystals, that I have no issue with. I could get into some fairly woo stuff here that'd have folks rolling their eyes at me even more than they already do, but I have my own research and experiences to go by, so that all gets two thumbs up from me.
Star Wars, Star Trek, and Transformers. I've studied how good stories are crafted from a very, very young age. I know the importance of building a consistent, coherent, scaffold within which to place the characters and upon which to hang the stories. That includes the science, no matter how theoretical, beyond theoretical, unproven, or out-there it is. I've studied a lot, and can explain in at least broad terms how everything in those universes works, or at least could possibly work, if our current understanding turns out to be sound. With the exception of gravitational effects -- artificial gravity, tractor beams, etc. Physicists are only recently starting to think they have some vague idea of how gravity works. Maybe. But lightsabers? Yup. Got those nailed down over a decade ago. A model that exhibits all the properties observed in the films, with a sidebar allowing for the Jedi woo factor. We've got probably centuries of technological development to go before we could even contemplate building a hand-portable version, but it would do everything we see 'em do.
*sigh*
We could even probably include a subroutine to enable them to be used as heli-sabers. But none of that model supports the stuff perpetuated in the EU about them being beams of light shone through a colored crystal. :rolleyes And I hate that more authoritative sources are continuing to parrot that nonsense. It reminds me of the very official Star Trek Science book that explained how transporters scan the original, create a copy at the destination, and then destroy the original. *existential rage* Did they even watch the show?! *casually leans on an elbow* So yeah, I can do this all week. I try to hold myself somewhat in check, though, because I know I scare people when I get wound up. :$
Because Maz does reference in the film that the sabers disposition is a story for another time is the writers acknowledging it's journey has a backstory. If we see it in the next two films or in ancilary material is unknown but it certainly wasn't a plot point which was ignored, it was addressed.
Because Maz does reference in the film that the sabers disposition is a story for another time is the writers acknowledging it's journey has a backstory. If we see it in the next two films or in ancilary material is unknown but it certainly wasn't a plot point which was ignored, it was addressed.
From what I've read, the new expanded universe canon is that lightsaber crystals are somehow connected to the force and their users - so they basically have midichlorians.
The way it was explained... it might mean that the ROTS/ANH/ESB/TFA saber should've had a red or white blade. When a good lightsaber's user goes to the dark side, it turns red - when they come back to the light it goes white.
I remember reading most* of that article too. That new crystal/Force/Force user connection is weak. When I say weak I mean lame, and by lame I really mean stupid. :facepalm
*I say most because it lost me about halfway through, and if you've read this far you already know about my opinion on it.
Because Maz does reference in the film that the sabers disposition is a story for another time is the writers acknowledging it's journey has a backstory. If we see it in the next two films or in ancilary material is unknown but it certainly wasn't a plot point which was ignored, it was addressed.
I think thats very thin, but sure. *shrug* Still think its lazy crappy writing to just have something thats important and not explain how the hell it was found, maybe not right then, but in another movie. It would take 10 seconds of film time to explain how she got it.
I try to hold myself somewhat in check, though, because I know I scare people when I get wound up. :$
