I agree, it's not the saber that's special, it's Rey and her relationship to the Force. The Force used the saber to summon Rey not the saber calling to Rey independent of the Froce.
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I agree, it's not the saber that's special, it's Rey and her relationship to the Force. The Force used the saber to summon Rey not the saber calling to Rey independent of the Froce.
i think because of all the bloodshed! All kidding aside, I don't look at it as Excalibur. I look at it as Anikan's fallen lightsaber
astroboy
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I just never got the impression from any of the 6 films that a lightsaber was anything more than the preferred weapon of a warrior who practices an ancient tradition.
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Have to also look at the differences between Anakin, Luke, and Rey. Anakin and Luke had good reflexes, which helped them as pilots and to survive on Tatooine. Anakin was about ten when he started training as a Jedi. Luke was 19. Far as I know neither had had premonitions or visions prior to being shown the "larger world" they were about to join. Rey, on the other hand, had the same untrained skill set that had helped her survive on Jakku... but there's also something else weird going on with her. She'd had premonitory dreams of Ahch-to and the island where she ultimately meets Luke for some time. The saber calling to her was something similar. It wasn't across time and space. It wasn't even when they landed on Takodana. It wasn't even when she entered Maz's castle. Just like Luke with the cave on Dagobah, it was only when she got close enough, in the right state of mind, that Something Happened. Luke felt cold. Rey heard someone crying. Both were drawn to whatever it was. I see both as the will of the Force, acting through whatever nexus was nearby. Neither Luke nor Rey were seeking the visions they got. Both were seriously rattled.
Yes, Luke had been being trained by Yoda for a bit by that point, and Rey hadn't, but the Prequels and Clone Wars have established that sometimes the Force does things without people initiating whatever. And we also still don't know where she comes from, who her parents are, etc.
--Jonah
Yes, Luke had been being trained by Yoda for a bit by that point, and Rey hadn't, but the Prequels and Clone Wars have established that sometimes the Force does things without people initiating whatever. And we also still don't know where she comes from, who her parents are, etc.
--Jonah
Danakin
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Anakin had two lightsabers. The one in AOTC that was destroyed in the Geonosis factory and the replacement he built that was used throughout the Clone Wars and ROTS. The "rental" he was tossed in the arena doesn't count as it was only temporary. Anakin losing his lightsaber was a running gag that went through AOTC but Obi-Wan did place emphasis on the importance of the saber not because of what it specifically was but because it was his protection and tool as a Jedi. His second lightsaber I would argue is important, perhaps not to Anakin but because of the tragedy that surrounded it and what it was used for. Obi-Wan also tried to give it new life by giving it to Luke who then lost it due to his own recklessness.
It will be interesting to see if Rey continues to use it in Episode VIII.
Solo4114
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Alternate theory on "That belongs to me."
Technically, the sabre is Anakin's sabre. Not Luke's. It's given to Luke by Obi-Wan in ANH, and is specifically identified as his father's sabre. So, if Kylo Ren believes he is the inheritor of Darth Vader's legacy, it would make sense that he'd view Darth Vader's sabre as rightfully his own. Hence "That belongs to me."
Technically, the sabre is Anakin's sabre. Not Luke's. It's given to Luke by Obi-Wan in ANH, and is specifically identified as his father's sabre. So, if Kylo Ren believes he is the inheritor of Darth Vader's legacy, it would make sense that he'd view Darth Vader's sabre as rightfully his own. Hence "That belongs to me."
exactly but how does kylo know that graflex was his fathers to begin with? he must have seen it perviously. this is why i believe it was at the academy, and that he stole the saber in the "clan scene"
Solo4114
Master Member
Maybe Luke told him? Showed him a picture? I dunno. The next two films will have some explaining to do, no question. I just really, really, really hope that they actually thought it out in detail, so that it's not a typical JJ "mystery" of "Well, I created the question, but I don't know the answer. That's what makes it so interesting! We have no idea where we're going!"
Well in regards to how the saber ended up with Maz she does address that in the film as a story for another time. As to why Kylo recognized it as Anakins really is immaterial and I doubt they will revisit that. I don't think it's unreasonable that he would be familiar with it, be it from some historical image of Anakin using it during the Clone Wars or whatever. It doesn't require a lot of mental gymnastics to square that circle.
Solo4114
Master Member
Well in regards to how the saber ended up with Maz she does address that in the film as a story for another time. As to why Kylo recognized it as Anakins really is immaterial and I doubt they will revisit that. I don't think it's unreasonable that he would be familiar with it, be it from some historical image of Anakin using it during the Clone Wars or whatever. It doesn't require a lot of mental gymnastics to square that circle.
Agreed. It's really not that big a deal. It's the kind of detail that can easily be explained in any number of ways, including:
- Kylo saw it in a video recording.
- Luke told him about it.
- Luke retrieved it and gave it to Kylo.
- Kylo found some persona log of Vader's that includes references to it.
- Kylo did obtain it at some point, but lost it or left it as a "calling card" on some particularly meaningful kill.
Maybe they'll explain it, but I could easily see it being a dropped detail.
maybe kylo saw the video recording of the jedi temple purge?
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mkstewartesq
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Agreed. I'm not why we're making such a big deal of this as a"plot hole" (other than because we're geeks and, well, that's what we do
). Kylo is not only a big "Vader-enthusiast" (collecting Vader relics) but also obviously has a very good knowledge of his own personal connection to Vader (and, by extension, to Anakin Skywalker.) Anakin Skywalker was an exceedingly well-known hero of the Republic (there were tons of holotapes showing his exploits, according the ROTS novelization, so there must also have been tons of images around showing him wielding that very lightsaber). So I'm sure (as sure as one can be about a totally-fictional happening) that Kylo was well-ware of exactly what the saber looked like.Add that to the fact that his uncle Luke likely mentioned to him at some point that his first lightsaber was Anakin's (say, as part of training, when he spoke of how a Jedi must construct his or her own saber). And, for a Vader-fan, what would be more of a "holy grail" than the very lightsaber used by Anakin when he embraced the dark side, became Vader and commenced the eradication of the Jedi at the Jedi temple? I'm sure Kylo has been coveting that lightsaber - both as a Vader relic and as "property of the Skywalker family that has been passed down from generation to generation" (which would, in his mind, make it his birthright) for a very long time. Couple that with whatever powerful connection he felt to it in the Force (face it, that saber has seen some ****** in the past 50 years), his immediate recognition of it in the forest seems a no-brainer.
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mkstewartesq
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I guess I didn't see anything in the film that indicated the saber (stop with with the darn British spelling. Unless you are British. In that case, please proceed.) ever "came into -- and out of -- his possession". I always took the "it's mine" statement to mean just what I said above - it's his property simply because it's Skywalker property and he is a Skywalker heir.
I guess it could be that he had it because Rey sees him in the Force vision, and the Force vision seems to track "notable moments in the life of this lightsaber" (e.g., Bespin) - but she also sees herself being left as a child on Jakku, and I don't see any indication that the saber was present there at that moment. So . .. dunno.
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Solo4114
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1. I've been spelling it "lightsabre"/"sabre" for as long as I can remember. My recollection is that I read it that way once and it just stuck. So, although I'm not British, I'm gonna keep on spelling it as I see fit.
2. The "came into and out of his possession" is more a reference to the picture from the vision where people think he may be holding it. In which case it'd be an open question how he got it in the first place, and how Maz ended up with it. Hence "into and out of his possession." That said, I don't know if that's what he's holding in the picture. It could be. Or it could be something else entirely. My bet is we'll see more of that flashback at some point, and it will be made clearer.
Yeah, I agree. It's not entirely clear what the deal is with the vision, the sabre, etc. I guess we'll find out.
P.S. SABRE. :devil
I do want to see that flashback from Kylo's perspective -- all the Clan cut down, the Knights surveying the aftermath, and suddenly he sees a girl a few meters away who is strangely not soaking wet, he takes a step toward her and she vanishes, he turns to the other Knights and demands "did you see that?", and they look at each other in confusion.
--Jonah
--Jonah
mkstewartesq
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Except that the rest of Rey's vision is just stuff happening around her. That bit in the rain, though? Kylo sees her and starts toward her before the vision changes again. I suppose that could just be a throwaway, but I'm hoping it isn't. I'd like to see Kylo meditating and reflecting on that and his later actual encounter with Rey.
--Jonah
--Jonah
G W Zipper
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That's a little Game-of-Thrones-ish, isn't it?
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