Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release)

I hope someone rips that commentary as soon as possible. I'm not doubling down on the Blu Ray just to hear it.

I don't even have a 3D player...

I JUST WANT THE COMMENTARY.

You and me both neo!! I'm so desperate if I had a 3D player and tv I'd buy the bluray again just to hear it
 
1. I've been spelling it "lightsabre"/"sabre" for as long as I can remember. My recollection is that I read it that way once and it just stuck. So, although I'm not British, I'm gonna keep on spelling it as I see fit. :p
I'm gonna start spelling it "saybrr" just 'cause I can. :devil
 
I just never got the impression from any of the 6 films that a lightsaber was anything more than the preferred weapon of a warrior who practices an ancient tradition.

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You could say that about anything that is revered/iconic. King Arthur was just some knight, and excalibur was his sword. Jimmy Page just plays guitar and his guitar is just his instrument. Its what he DOES with the weapon that makes it such a big deal.
 
I think the only "plot hole" is explaining how the sabre came into -- and out of -- his possession. Like, basically, what happened to the sabre after Luke's hand was cut off? I don't know that we'll find that out in great detail, but I suppose it's possible.

If thats not explained Im going to be pissed off, cause thats a MAJOR point that needs to be addressed.
 
I appreciate it is important to you and I am certainly curious to find out but it certainly is not a major plot point for the story they are telling.

I agree, how it got there is not too terribly important, much like how Excalibur got into the stone in the first place is irrelevant to the whole Arthurian mythos, what's important is that our hero, or heroine in this case, got it is important.
 
If thats not explained Im going to be pissed off, cause thats a MAJOR point that needs to be addressed.

I appreciate it is important to you and I am certainly curious to find out but it certainly is not a major plot point for the story they are telling.

As long as IF it is explained, it is done in the movie and NOT in a book, comic, novella, etc., I'll be ok with it. Explained or not.
 
If thats not explained Im going to be pissed off, cause thats a MAJOR point that needs to be addressed.

I appreciate it is important to you and I am certainly curious to find out but it certainly is not a major plot point for the story they are telling.

Let me put it this way. I don't think it's a "MAJOR point" in the sense of being critical to the narrative. By that, I mean, I don't think that the story of the sabre will necessarily have any bearing on the characters' development, or the resolution of any of the major conflicts in the tale. So, in that sense, it's not really necessary to answer the question with respect to the immediate story being told.

I think it's likely that we'll find out some of what happened to the sabre, though, because the sabre itself seems somewhat significant. Kylo Ren wants it. It causes Rey's vision. Rey returns it to Luke in what appears to be a meaningful scene. So, the sabre is significant, and therefore I think we'll at least find out some of how it left Bespin. But I don't think the full journey of the sabre is really necessary for the audience to know.

But it's like a lot of the things that end up being raised in JJ Abrams stories. It's something to which the filmmakers drew particular attention, which leaves a very obvious question, if not one for which the answer is necessarily relevant to resolving the drama of the tale. Like, you don't need to know how the sabre got from A to B to know how the threat posed by the First Order will be resolved, or even why Kylo Ren wants the sabre. Ren could say "It was Vader's first weapon. I want everything related to Vader. I'm what you might call a collector." That would explain his motivation for wanting the sabre without addressing how it came from Bespin to Maz's. I do, however, think it unnecessarily introduces a question which, when it isn't answered, leaves the audiences wondering what the hell was up with XYZ in the story. Sure, the answer isn't central to the story, but then why bring up the question in the first place? It just ends up being a distraction.

In general, I'm of the opinion that a storyteller shouldn't introduce a question in the first place, if they have no intention of or interest in answering that question. Like, we don't absolutely need to know where the First Order came from for the story in the film to make sense. All we need to know is that they're the bad guys, they kinda are related to the Empire (e.g. some sort of remnant), and that's that. Likewise, we don't need to really know the difference between the Resistance and the Republic, or why the Republic isn't fighting but the Resistance is. All we need to know is that there's some government that exists, the First Order blows it up, and now the Resistance is fighting them.

But the film doesn't do a good job of explaining those issues, and especially for a film that's counting on bringing in old fans and appearing familiar and approachable for them, it raises unnecessary questions to refer to them and not explain how we got from the end of ROTJ to the start of TFA, at least in passing. It's distracting. It's an obvious question. And, again, although that question isn't central to the story, raising the question in the first place pulls focus from the actual telling of the story.
 
As long as IF it is explained, it is done in the movie and NOT in a book, comic, novella, etc., I'll be ok with it. Explained or not.

I actually think this is very much the kind of thing that would lend itself to a side story, although perhaps touching on that side story in the film would be helpful. For example, Luke might say "I haven't seen this since Bespin. Ben must have gone back and found it, then lost it again. I can't imagine what he must have gone through just to get this and then lose it. It must have been horrible..."

There. There's your answer WITHIN the movie....which nicely sets up the framework for the 3-issue side story "A Sabre's Story" that outlines how Ben put himself through hell to travel to the very core of Bespin and retrieve the sabre, only to lose it in a fight with one of Luke's Jedi, who then passed it on to Maz Kanata in case Luke ever resurfaced.
 
I actually think this is very much the kind of thing that would lend itself to a side story, although perhaps touching on that side story in the film would be helpful. For example, Luke might say "I haven't seen this since Bespin. Ben must have gone back and found it, then lost it again. I can't imagine what he must have gone through just to get this and then lose it. It must have been horrible..."

There. There's your answer WITHIN the movie....which nicely sets up the framework for the 3-issue side story "A Sabre's Story" that outlines how Ben put himself through hell to travel to the very core of Bespin and retrieve the sabre, only to lose it in a fight with one of Luke's Jedi, who then passed it on to Maz Kanata in case Luke ever resurfaced.

I can agree with that. I just don't want it purposely left out to write side stories or otherwise. I would think even the casual fans remember it was lost on Bespin, likely falling into the clouds below or pulled into a maintenance hatch, etc and all of us are due for an in-movie explanation. My take anyways...
 
As long as IF it is explained, it is done in the movie and NOT in a book, comic, novella, etc., I'll be ok with it. Explained or not.

Personally, I feel that such a minor and rather irrelevant detail is best left for a book or comic where there is more time for such bits of extra detail. In a movie you run the risk of slowing the pacing down or boring the audience with such bits of errata.
 
Personally, I feel that such a minor and rather irrelevant detail is best left for a book or comic where there is more time for such bits of extra detail. In a movie you run the risk of slowing the pacing down or boring the audience with such bits of errata.

Pretty much this. I mean, I agree that it's frustrating for them to introduce the question at all and fail to answer it, but I think that, realistically, this won't be answered in the film, much the same way that the whole "What's the deal with the Resistance, the Republic, and why the Republic isn't fighting the First Order itself?" thing was largely ignored.

It wasn't really central to the story of these characters or how they fit in the larger scheme of things. It's an annoying thing not to answer, but it's notreally essential to the film.

That said, I think that there are compromises which can be struck, where the film itself alludes to something without going into great detail, and the external material expands upon that reference.

A couple of lines, a mention in the opening crawl, just something to help provide a bit more context, and then you can flesh things out more. Like Leia saying "The Senate has refused to act. That's why we're here. You all know we'll get no support in this, but make no mistake, we are fighting for the freedom of the entire galaxy. May that thought and the Force guide us all in this fight." Or whatever. Something like that.

Just don't leave it TOTALLY unanswered, because that's a distraction, and an unnecessary one at that. My hope, though, is that now that we're freed of the need to "bridge" the old films and the new ones, there will be more time for material that stands on its own, and therefore more time to answer some of the questions introduced previously (e.g., "Why is Rey so clearly powerful?" "What's her backstory?" "Who are the Knights of Ren?" "Who is Snoke?" "Why did Ben turn to evil?" "Why did Luke go into hiding?" "What the hell was up with that vision?" and so on).

Most of these questions, I think, need answers, but the answers themselves need not be particularly elaborate. So, like, "Who is Snoke?" The answer to that question doesn't need to be a long song and dance that connects back to the old films. It could be as simple as "A former Old Republic officer who supported the Empire, and later organized the creation of the First Order," within the film. Likewise, "Why is Rey so powerful?" could be answered with "The Force is alive and has imbued her with power." Her backstory doesn't need to have her be related to Luke, or Kylo, or even Ben Kenobi (although I still think it'd be cool if she was the child of Luke and Ben's daughter). But we do need to know what the story is with the vision. That definitely can't go unanswered. Likewise with Kylo/Ben's backstory, because his backstory is central to his character motivations, as is Rey's backstory. The vision is purposefully cryptic, and therefore will need to be contextualized. But again, it could be as simple as Rey talking to Luke about it, and Luke explaining what it all means, with Rey filling in the details. "My parents left me with Unkar Plutt when I was eight years old. They never told me why. They only said it was to protect me."

But stuff like "How'd the lightsabre make it from Bespin to Maz's?" falls into the same realm as "Why is 3PO's arm red?"
 
I appreciate it is important to you and I am certainly curious to find out but it certainly is not a major plot point for the story they are telling.

If nothing is explained, then its just hacked writing. Look at the Xmen series. How the hell did half of that stuff even happen the way they screwed with the timeline? Simon Kinberg said "it had to because it needed to". Thats the biggest hack job that has come to recent memory. And excalibur isnt really the same thing, the story begins(as far as I know) with the sword in the stone. With this, there better be a damn explanation considering the weight that the damn thing has on the story.

I didnt say plot point to the story they are telling, but a major aspect of the mythos of the skywalkers. And from a pure logic point of view. And guys...its the damn thing that "awoke" the force in Rey. Unless Im mistaken, I have only seen it once. Seems like it would be a slap in the face of real star wars fans if they didnt explain it. Kind of blowing them off in favor of the new generation of fans that this movie has garnered.
 
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