Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release)

Y'know, something about that dude has always kinda rubbed me the wrong way...
He seems to think that because he's played the character since the beginning that he's somehow irreplaceable, but if he's not careful it would be nothing for them to have C-3PO incinerated before he has a chance to speak in the next movie, or just replace AD with a new actor and say the character needed a new voice box.
 
Blah blah.. don't read if you don't want spoilers (but then we are you in this thread anyway?)

Here is the debate we have been having; when Han comes to Ren on the bridge, did Han change Ren's mind or not? Everyone who saw it with me says that nothing Han said had any effect, but that Han was essentially talking to a wall. I felt like Ren actually changed his mind and truly was handing his saber over and then at the last minute, for whatever reason, the dark side seized him and he finalized his decision which removed the last of the light from him.

In the concept art book it details that scene.

Essentially, that confrontation could have gone either way, but when the ray of light beaming in disappears, it essentially signals that the force has made it's decision. I thought it was a really interesting description, and makes that situation seem very organic.
 
This is how I took it as well. That the first order kidnaps children. That seems a tough, labor intensive way to get stormtroopers, frankly, if you can just clone them.

I doubt that's the only way they get troopers, probably their preferred method since it helps to ensure loyalty and eliminates the possibility of spies and moles but there's probably a core of old Stormtroopers as well as people recruited from within First Order space, people from planets that have long been loyal to the Empire and the First Order. I'd imagine that FO space composes of a fair number of Imperial loyalists who joined the Empire in exile and those people would have had kids who grew up loyal to the Empire and later the First Order so they would have formed their recruiting base, then as the FO started to grow larger they then resorted to the kidnapping of children in order to expand their recruit base as well as making sure their troops were completely loyal to the FO.
 
Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

You know, if the First Order really was kidnapping babies for their Stormtrooper army, you'd think that if anything, this would be the exact sort of thing the New Republic wouldn't sit on their hands about...
 
You know, if the First Order really was kidnapping babies for their Stormtrooper army, you'd think that if anything, this would be the exact sort of thing the New Republic wouldn't sit on their hands about...
 
Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

ANH drops you into the middle of a universe with zero preamble or exposition beyond the crawl. TFA does the exact same thing but everyone has meta knowledge and have their own expectations as to what the galaxy is now. Just let it go and enjoy the film. It's that easy. This thread is sad, that this movie by every metric is terrific and yet a TINY handful just can't get it.

Yep,....the more we moan about not knowing enough & having to use our brain when watching these films,.....the more chance Disney will listen & we get the Prequels again with a Ric Olie character to take our hand

J
 
Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

There is nothing at all sad about people expressing their opinions and not everyone is required to get this movie. Great movies are not defined by a set of metrics but by the thoughts and emotions of the people who watch them.

Was this a fun movie? In my opinion yes. Did it feel like a Star Wars movie? In my opinion not totally, Disney would need to bring in a new DP and special effects coordinator for that. Was this movie original in any way? No it was not, call it a reboot or a rehash or a rip off but there is nothing original about it. I still enjoyed it and I will not think any less of those who don't agree with the "metrics" and proclaim this to be the greatest thing since sliced bread.
 
Meh. Thought it was lousy. I posted this elsewhere but I'll copy it here:

So much potential, and most of it squandered on hollow callback and jokey references to prior Star Wars movies. The film gets shaky when Solo shows up, and falls apart completely once Starkiller Base is introduced. I’m baffled by the near-universal acclaim this is receiving.

I’ve had a thought ratting around in my head the last few days and I’m wondering if anyone else thinks this makes sense: I think they rewrote the second half of the movie very late in preproduction and most of the story flaws stem from that decision. Let me explain.

There was a rumor floating around over the summer that Starkiller Base belonged to the Resistance and there would be a moral dilemma where General Leia would have to decide wether to use it against the First Order or not. As the release date got closer and we found out more about the movie, that looked more and more like usual baseless rumormongering and of course it turned out not to be true at all once the movie came out. Oh those silly Internet rumors, right?

Well…if you assume that was, in fact, true in an older draft of the screenplay, suddenly most of TFA’s story issues go away. For example:


Finn’s aborted character arc. Finn’s story sort of peters out as the movie goes on, eventually being forgotten about. Why create a character who is a former faceless enemy turned good and not capitalize on that? Assuming a different role for Starkiller, he’s the perfect character to make the impassioned plea to the good guys to remember that the planet full of First Order troops they’re bout to blow up are living, breathing human beings, slaves who were brainwashed by the First Order and don’t deserve to die just because of where they had the misfortune to be born. Any one of them could be another Finn and they deserve a chance, same as him. Finn saves the day, and gets to become a hero and find a new purpose in his life.


Leia’s near-total uselessness. Leia basically does nothing in the finished movie. But if she were, say, the sole dissenting voice on the New Republic council (or whatever) advocating against the use of the Starkiller, she’s got a point and an arc. She would be the spearhead against the immoral use of a weapon of mass destruction, able to speak form experience because she lost her home planet to the Death Star. The arrival of Finn, Rey, and the key to finding Luke Skywalker finally gives her some traction in her fight against the superweapon. Speaking of…


The search for Luke Skywalker would actually matter. “This will begin to set things right,” says Lars Von Tekka at the very start of the movie. Except….how? It’s never clear what problem the Resistance/New Republic has that finding Luke would solve. Sure they need to keep him safe from the First Order but they could do that by destroying the thumbdrive with the map in it. But if the Replublic has begun to fall to the Dark Side in Luke’s absence, it makes sense that Liea et al would need to find him. He’s the last Jedi, the last lightside Force user, and they need him if there’s any hope of stopping the Republic from making a huge mistake.


It would explain why Starkiller Base was so easy to destroy. It takes very little effort to destroy Starkiller in the finished movie. There’s a couple of minutes where the characters go from knowing nothing about the base to having a plan to blow it up that then proceeds flawlessly. This would make perfect sense if Starkiller belonged to the Republic/Resistance. It’s their own base! Of course it’s easy to deactivate/blow up. They built it! They’re already on it! They probably just have to go push a button.


It would strengthen the theme of reversal the movie has going on. A female version of Luke. A female version of Yoda. A stormtrooper disguised as a rebel instead of a rebel disguised as a stormtrooper. A Skywalker son who is dark and feels tempted by the light but sticks it out and stays loyal to his side. Another Death Star but in the hands of the heroes would be another addiction to the OT perspective flip that the movie has going on. (Plus reversals are the kind of thing JJ loves to do. See Star Trek Into Darkness)


And so on. There’s lots of other little things it improves, as well as some new flaws it introduces, but I feel like it makes a lot more sense than the movie we ended up with. I can’t prove it, but I suspect there was an early draft very close to these ideas and for whatever reason JJ and company changed their minds at the last minute.
 
If the First Order is the leftover remnants of the Empire that has been in hiding and in the outer most reaches, how the hell do they have the resources to retrofit their entire military with brand new vehicles, ships, troops etc? You'd think they would instead be much like the old Rebellion, using old outdated equipment. Yet here we have newly designed, brand spankin new shiny stormtroopers and equipment. Not to mention another moon laser.
 
Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

Sorry but the film is "OK - run of the mill" certainly nowhere near as good as I've read in any review, and I would also say that most of the people that I've talked to about the film feel similarly to me. Its gutting I don't think otherwise the trailers blew me away, perhaps my expectations were stratospheric the film however did not.
 
You know, if the First Order really was kidnapping babies for their Stormtrooper army, you'd think that if anything, this would be the exact sort of thing the New Republic wouldn't sit on their hands about...
Nike used alleged child labor (and even was accused of child slave labor) for a very long time before things changed. You don't have to look far to see other allegations of worker and other abuses in our present world.

It takes time to separate rumor from fact and act... if it happens at all. And if it was happening in the Outer Rim territories and it didn't affect the masses, well...

Add that to the "politics of the Senate too slow and too mired in self-interest" (from the Visual Dictionary).
 
Re: Star Wars TFA - How much they got paid **SPOILERS**

i cannot believe rey and finn only got 680k?!?! what?!
 
Re: Easter Eggs, Mirroring of the OT in The Force Awakens (SPOILERS INSIDE)

The 501'st legion patch is on one of the banners at Maz's castle. Also Daniel Craig and Simon Pegg in the movie.

simon pegg is the rations guy right? unkar plutt i think is his real name

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So exactly where do you see R2-Kt?

I didn't see her either

R2-KT was in the bottom right of the screen at the Resistance base exterior. Also was completely unweathered which made it really seem out of place.

i saw her right when the falcon landed at d'qar. there was a a quick scene i believe a pilot (could have been the heavy set one) loading stuff/ checking his blue xwing. right in the back ground R2-KT drives behind the xwing, to the point it looks like she's under the xwings nose. there are a few boxes and stuff so u really have to look, she enters from the left side of the screen and leaves to the right

I'm going to have to find her in the second location again tonight, fingers crossed
 
Re: "All I wanna do is complain about TFA" - only thread

My wife ate most of the popcorn AND most of the Jaffa balls AND drank most of the water....and she doesn't even really like SW.......:facepalm:lol..................we're talking about taking my wife to TFA right??.........;)

The Bitch :lol
 
If the First Order is the leftover remnants of the Empire that has been in hiding and in the outer most reaches, how the hell do they have the resources to retrofit their entire military with brand new vehicles, ships, troops etc? You'd think they would instead be much like the old Rebellion, using old outdated equipment. Yet here we have newly designed, brand spankin new shiny stormtroopers and equipment. Not to mention another moon laser.

It has been 30 some odd years later and we don't know just how large the First Order is really, large enough to worry Leia is about it. For all we know, they've focused most of their efforts on that on Star Destroyer and Starkiller Base. It could easily be that they're only a fraction of the size of the old Imperial fleet and it consists mainly of old Star Destroyers with new TIEs, the one new Star Destroyer, and lots and lots of Stormtroopers. On the other hand, we also don't know how bad a shape the Empire was when they fled to the Outer Rim and what resources they might have taken with them, it's possible that a sizable portion of their fleet was still intact when they withdrew and/or they managed to take a lot of the Empire's resources with them when they left. It's not like there hasn't been plenty of precedence here on Earth with dictators taking what they can when they're trying to fleet their country.
 
Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

Was Ren's voice dubbed, or was it actually Driver's own, modified?
 
Yes that's a thumbs up. It Was the best little interaction with Finn and bb8

Oh, I know it was an interaction. My initial reaction as was a lot of my friends in attendance concluded that it was BB-8 flipping Finn off for not telling Rey the truth. Makes sense now considering if BB-8 knew something bad was up with Finn, he would have told Rey about it immediately.
 
I'm glad most of the alien species spoke an alien language instead of how the prequel trilogy gave them ethnic accents.

Speaking of aliens, I noticed the distinct lack of familiar aliens. We have a Mon Cal, a Sullustan, a Wookiee and a maybe a Nimbanel? In the case of the latter, I think I saw one on Hosnian Prime that looked familiar but I don't recall the name. Anyway, besides those four, that's all I noticed. I like that it makes the galaxy bigger but the PT made it seem like Rodians and Twi-leks at least were pretty common.
 
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