Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release)

Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

Well I did enjoy this one. So far I've already seen it twice. Good movie. I highly recommend it for others, although I cannot even imagine why anyone would read a thread with this title if they hadn't seen it themselves already.


But...your comparison is crap in my opinion.


option A: you've got a quirky new idea. Kind of unusual. No ones ever done it. Most say it'll be crap. Gonna give it a roll anyway. See what happens. Might be some issues.


option B: I've got a virtually unlimited budget while I take the reigns of single most iconic idea ever in my genre. If there are holes, I'm a lazy ^&^*$^$%%$&

See the difference? You can be forgiven some things in the originals because THEY ARE THE ORIGINALS. When taking the reigns of an already mega hit...yes there is more pressure. Did they not read the sign on the door when they came in? Every single person reading this would probably cut off minor but useful apendages for that opportunity. If you are the chosen one and actually get to do it and yet cannot be bothered to plug the holes because "eh...just a movie" then you deserve WAY worse than an internet tongue lashing.


Now, having said that I did like the movie. A lot. But for the obvious clunker moments, someone really does deserve at least a mild beating.



lastly, no we're not analyzing it like a historical drama. We don't do that to historical dramas. We do that to Star Wars movies. We're analyzing it like we would a Star Wars movie....which you really DO know since this isn't your first day.


Guess I just don't see these "holes" some of you keep talking about. Let me rephrase what I said above somewhat as I was being a bit generous in my references to the OT films. In my opinion this film has less "holes" than any of the OT films and a lot less than two of them. So on that point, as far as I'm concerned, it exceeded the mark and my expectations going in. Most of what I'm seeing here is the confusion of differences of opinion on story and artistic expression with actual plot "holes".
 
I wouldn't go that far. He still has family out there and Vader did much worse than he did and was still redeemed. I think he'll be redeemed at some point as well - too much conflict for him to be able to extinguish it for good at that age. If Vader can kill a bunch of little kids and come back, so can Ren.

I'd find it pretty hard for Leia, Chewie, Luke, Rey or Finn to ever forgive Ben for doing what he did.

And as someone else mentioned, the first and only time I saw this I also got from what Kylo was asking Han, that he wanted Han to help him kill himself.
 
Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

Any thoughts on when the stormtroopers stopped being clones of Jango Fett?
 
I didn't so much see it as him reverting, but as the last of the light leaving him, meaning there is no chance for redemption.

I suppose youre right.
It just seemed as though Hans talk did actually change Rens mind for a second, bringing him closer to the light, and then he reverted back as the light died out.

- - - Updated - - -

I didn't hear this music at all in the movie anywhere (starting around 1:03). Was it even used in the finished film? I didn't hear it anywhere. I love what was done with the original themes, is this on the CD soundtrack?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGbxmsDFVnE&feature=player_embedded

I asked the same question earlier, saw the film twice and didnt hear it.

A shame, its an excellent haunting arrangement.
 
I'd find it pretty hard for Leia, Chewie, Luke, Rey or Finn to ever forgive Ben for doing what he did.

And as someone else mentioned, the first and only time I saw this I also got from what Kylo was asking Han, that he wanted Han to help him kill himself.

As I said, Vader did substantially worse and did it over decades. Of course, the only person who forgave him, it seems, is Luke. Clearly in the EU materials of yore Leia flat out did not. The bar of redemption has Vader. It'd take a helluva lot for Ren to do worse than vader to the point of being beyond redemption.

We saw what? 30-40 children in Rots? Who knows how many more were in there under the age of 18...Killing your father is not worse than cleansing the temple. It pales in comparison quite honestly. I don't put the planets the weapon destroyed on Ren because he seemed to not really care about that aspect, that was the Supreme Leader and the General.

So, if you want to say Ren is beyond redemption, what has he done to even get on the radar compared to what Vader did?

(for the record, i'm just playing devil's advocate here - i don't want a redemption, but, i've yet to see anyone state anything that makes him unredeemable based on what has been shown through 7 movies)
 
The difference is Luke didnt see Anakin kill those children in front of him, may not even have known he did it. Obviously he knows he killed Jedi, but that's not the same thing as being witness to it.

Of course Luke saw Vader kill Obi-wan, but Luke also got to talk to and be around Obi after he was killed, so that may have diminished his hate towards Vader for that action a bit.
 
Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

Well this has been fun but I think it's been covered so I am gonna bounce.


Thanks so much guys. It was a blast bashing the movie with you.


To those who like it I am glad you enjoyed it. I don't want anyone to feel like I do about this movie so I am sincerely glad you like it.


If you are on the fence go see it. Even if not go see it. You may love it or not but you won't regret seeing it on the big screen regardless.



Thanks guys.


Tom
 
Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

Well this has been fun but I think it's been covered so I am gonna bounce.


Thanks so much guys. It was a blast bashing the movie with you.


To those who like it I am glad you enjoyed it. I don't want anyone to feel like I do about this movie so I am sincerely glad you like it.


If you are on the fence go see it. Even if not go see it. You may love it or not but you won't regret seeing it on the big screen regardless.



Thanks guys.


Tom


We can discuss Rogue One in a year or so and my guess is we will be much happier with that product.
 
Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

I thought it was stupid that they ever were. Glad they ****-canned that stupidity.

Agreed.

In fact (at least to me), it seemed like this film nicely and conveniently ignored the prequels. Even the original definition of The Force (as stated to Luke by Ben) was echoed with NO indication of bull**** midichlorians.
 
So Finn said he was taken from his family as a child, did he not? Did I get that right? I must admit that Finn was my favorite character from the film. This detail came and went so quickly.
 
Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

Both Star Trek and Star Wars failed to kill off main captain heroes correctly.

I've pondered this and hesitated in responding, as I do know where you are coming from. I respect your perspectives... Though I also do not fully agree...

Some may say that there is no greater deed, or task, or mission than to save your own child, even at risk of sacrificing yourself. Though the death was to a degree unceremonious, there is a strong (albeit perhaps subdued) poignancy to Solo's death.

And the story has yet to unfold...

While Han may now only live in our hearts and imaginations, there is perhaps still hope that his death was not in vain. Perhaps his efforts to redeem the love of his son was indeed an unwitting sacrifice that contributes to an as-of-yet unseen benefit.
 
Last edited:
Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

I knew Han Solo was going to die, but thought maybe it would be him saving the day and dying in the millennium.


Both Star Trek and Star Wars failed to kill off main captain heroes correctly.

So you'd rather much have Han die like a smuggler, left to be forgotten like the rest of those in the star wars universe? Or be a major part of the story's and Kylo Ren's character development considering he was his father.

Truthfully, Han could have easily been killed off in the context of his means of a "career" with Chewie in the last 30 years, perhaps in a novel or comic book. But no...they gave him a dignified end while simultaneously pushing the story arc of Kylo Ren's internal conflict. Much like Anakin's decision to protect Palpatine by killing Mace...
 
Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

I'm really concerned that I'll come out of the theater after seeing TFA like I did after seeing Jurassic World. It was so predictable. The same characters with different names. I went into JW cold. Didn't read reviews, avoided spoilers etc and sat through it all the while thinking I had already seen it. I'll probably end up going to see it, but I'll wait until Feb when crowds are gone.
 
I didn't hear this music at all in the movie anywhere (starting around 1:03). Was it even used in the finished film? I didn't hear it anywhere. I love what was done with the original themes, is this on the CD soundtrack?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGbxmsDFVnE&feature=player_embedded

Not in the film, not on the soundtrack.
It's not a (total) John Williams piece.

http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-the-force-awakens-trailer-music/
 
So Finn said he was taken from his family as a child, did he not? Did I get that right? I must admit that Finn was my favorite character from the film. This detail came and went so quickly.

When I heard him say that I interpreted that the First Order steals children to raise in their army as opposed to individuals who are recruited or volunteer. They should go back to cloning.
 
Back
Top