Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release)

Speaking of Max von Sydow, I know he had more lines in The Force Awakens than Mark Hamill, but I wonder which of them got more screen time. :unsure

Also, let's take an informal poll. Who here freaked out when they saw Finn activate Luke's lightsaber that first time by pressing the big red button? :D

So glad I'm not the only one! It's such a small nitpick, but for continuity's sake I sort of wish he would have used the activation box. Though I think it's cool they're using the actual button that would make the bulb flash to activate the lightsaber. I wonder if it has anything to do with wiring the graflex to turn on the glowing rods they used for filming?
 
On Kylo Ren (paraphrased from imgur to edit foul language):

People keep complaining about the fact that Finn and Rey beat Kylo at the end of TFA.

"He's so weak!"
"Beat by two nobodies!"
"Dude got rofl-stomped by newbs!"

Did you watch the movie? Did you pay attention at all?

Let's rewind a bit, and talk about something that comes up over a dozen times; Chewie's bowcaster.

The movie is like a freaking infomercial for the epic tons of "screw you and everything around you for the next twenty feet" that this badass piece of weaponry dishes out like second helpings of your grandma's world famous mashed potatoes.

We see time and again Chewie dealing heaping truckloads of "screw that guy and his entire lineage" with this death-dealing weapon of pure carnage. He hits a Stormtrooper in the breadbasket and sends that poor sod flying twenty feet back into a wall as his armor shatters on the ground.

Han makes a point of asking Chewie if he can try it out, and then proceeds to obliterate several troopers with one easy shot.

Let's not mince words here. Chewie's Bowcaster is like the unholy love child of the original crossbow and a damned howitzer. The Empire should have just strapped this piece of weaponized death to the front of an asteroid, aimed it Alderaan, and saved themselves the trouble of building a giant space station.

So...after being shown the pure unadulterated hell that spews forth from this hand-held death cannon in a deluge of destruction and demise, we can all agree that being shot with this thing tops a long list of things you don't want to happen to you.

Well, it happens to Kylo Ren.

And, what does he do? Well, he doesn't get thrown through the air like every other thing that gets hit by this murder machine. In fact, he just kind of takes a knee for a minute. He doesn't get instantly wrecked while careening through the air hoping for the sweet release of death. He gets up, and proceeds to walk it right the hell off.

But, he doesn't just quit there. He doesn't just walk off what everything else in the universe instantly dies from. He goes out to find a couple bitches, and tear them apart.

The amount of control, the amount of pure Force power to stay standing after taking a shot like that is mind-bending. But, he doesn't just stay standing. He goes out and fights. He should have been dead right there, or at least screaming in pain as his insides fought to be outside his body. But, he fights. He's using untold amounts of pure Force energy to keep his insides inside, to keep himself conscious, to keep his legs, arms, and body moving, all while fighting two people who, until this point, haven't really been spending a ton of energy. They're practically fresh.

And, no training? Finn's a STORMTROOPER. He's been combat trained since childhood. You bet your ass he can handle himself in a fight. And, Rey? Rey's been kicking ass hand-to-hand since before she can remember. Sure, it's an unfamiliar weapon, but you give someone, with an inkling of how to fight, a stick and they'll hold their own.

Of course two people beat Kylo at the end. Dude's nursing a gut wound that would put down a Rhino on steroids. The question shouldn't be how did Finn and Rey beat him.

It should be this:

If Kylo Ren could do all of that after taking that kind of hit...how in the name of The Force are they going to stop him when he's at one hundred percent?
 
On Kylo Ren (paraphrased from imgur to edit foul language):

People keep complaining about the fact that Finn and Rey beat Kylo at the end of TFA.

"He's so weak!"
"Beat by two nobodies!"
"Dude got rofl-stomped by newbs!"

Did you watch the movie? Did you pay attention at all?

Let's rewind a bit, and talk about something that comes up over a dozen times; Chewie's bowcaster.

The movie is like a freaking infomercial for the epic tons of "screw you and everything around you for the next twenty feet" that this badass piece of weaponry dishes out like second helpings of your grandma's world famous mashed potatoes.

We see time and again Chewie dealing heaping truckloads of "screw that guy and his entire lineage" with this death-dealing weapon of pure carnage. He hits a Stormtrooper in the breadbasket and sends that poor sod flying twenty feet back into a wall as his armor shatters on the ground.

Han makes a point of asking Chewie if he can try it out, and then proceeds to obliterate several troopers with one easy shot.

Let's not mince words here. Chewie's Bowcaster is like the unholy love child of the original crossbow and a damned howitzer. The Empire should have just strapped this piece of weaponized death to the front of an asteroid, aimed it Alderaan, and saved themselves the trouble of building a giant space station.

So...after being shown the pure unadulterated hell that spews forth from this hand-held death cannon in a deluge of destruction and demise, we can all agree that being shot with this thing tops a long list of things you don't want to happen to you.

Well, it happens to Kylo Ren.

And, what does he do? Well, he doesn't get thrown through the air like every other thing that gets hit by this murder machine. In fact, he just kind of takes a knee for a minute. He doesn't get instantly wrecked while careening through the air hoping for the sweet release of death. He gets up, and proceeds to walk it right the hell off.

But, he doesn't just quit there. He doesn't just walk off what everything else in the universe instantly dies from. He goes out to find a couple bitches, and tear them apart.

The amount of control, the amount of pure Force power to stay standing after taking a shot like that is mind-bending. But, he doesn't just stay standing. He goes out and fights. He should have been dead right there, or at least screaming in pain as his insides fought to be outside his body. But, he fights. He's using untold amounts of pure Force energy to keep his insides inside, to keep himself conscious, to keep his legs, arms, and body moving, all while fighting two people who, until this point, haven't really been spending a ton of energy. They're practically fresh.

And, no training? Finn's a STORMTROOPER. He's been combat trained since childhood. You bet your ass he can handle himself in a fight. And, Rey? Rey's been kicking ass hand-to-hand since before she can remember. Sure, it's an unfamiliar weapon, but you give someone, with an inkling of how to fight, a stick and they'll hold their own.

Of course two people beat Kylo at the end. Dude's nursing a gut wound that would put down a Rhino on steroids. The question shouldn't be how did Finn and Rey beat him.

It should be this:

If Kylo Ren could do all of that after taking that kind of hit...how in the name of The Force are they going to stop him when he's at one hundred percent?

Dude... THANK YOU. Someone paid attention to that.

This notion of Kylo Ren being weak is absurd. That dude took a major beating and still kept it together long enough to do all of that. We see his side temper tantrums and people immediately just think emo whiner. I saw these things as a very dangerous and unpredictable personality. Sometimes he'd deal with bad news with a very calm demeanor, other times in an absolute fit of rage. I would not want to be the one delivering bad news to Ren for anything.

And on Finn and Rey.... YES... all the points above. And aside that, we still don't know all of Rey's back history and connection to the force, but that there is a lot of speculation to be had before we see the next chapter.
 
The only reason that people don't think he should have been able to beat Finn and Rey (I'm not one of those people. Those confrontations played out perfectly) is that when we are introduced to him he is crazy powerful. Seriously. That laser bolt thing was like the enterprise swimming. No one has ever done that.

And he did it from behind! AND he was able to hold it there for the next few minutes while doing other things!

Vader never did that.

Sure, vader stopped a bolt with his hand but he was facing han, saw it coming and he still had to catch it. He didn't stop it mid air.

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It could be just a trick, like trapping something between two seconds in time rather than physically holding it in place, the people he held seemed to be the same way.

BTW, did anyone notice towards the end one of the stormtroopers speaking with a womans voice?

So I guess Phasma is not the only lady imperial.
 
It could be just a trick, like trapping something between two seconds in time rather than physically holding it in place, the people he held seemed to be the same way.


That sounds like either asgard or time lord technology


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Adam Driver scarier with helmet off...

he took the mask off and Im like aaahhhh, if they made a live action beavis and butthead movie hed be perfect for butthead
 
The sad truth is I bet she will be Luke's daughter just because for the average movie goer Disney is catering, to for the mass appeal it is the safe bet ! And easiest to explain !

There's no reason she can't be both. Luke fathering a child with Obi-Wan's daughter or something.

Differences in mixes are cropping up.
In IMAX (real imax, not the AMC simulacrum), the Wilhelm is pretty buried in the mix.

I heard it, but it was buried in the background. Personally, I prefer it that way. When it's right out in front, it's a little too on the nose. It should be more of just a fun easter egg for the hardcore fans.

Why is she carrying that stick all the time anyway, does it have any real purpose (space-purse)?

I thought it was an old, deactivated magnaguard staff, myself. Who knows.

I'd say if Rey is a descendent of Obi-Wan....it would likely have been her Mum.....Obi-Wans daughter,.....& Luke was her dad,....So that explains why she is SO strong,.....Kylo is a Skywalker/Solo,.....HiLo Skywalker:D


This isn't my theory,.....it appeared a few weeks ago around here,....I cant imagine the new Star Wars films not carrying on the blood-line from Anakin to Luke to Rey,.....it cant have stopped at Luke....

J


Right. I think this is possible, although it tends to undercut a lot of what we've thought about Obi-Wan over the years.

Wanted to talk a little about Rey's lineage and want to know if anyone feels the same way about it. Though I wouldn't mind if she is linked to the Skywalker family or even to Obi-Wan, I wish it could be established that she is just strong with the Force and not cause she is blood related to a prior Jedi.

But having her as Luke's daughter does make things more personal for Luke. And this dynamic likely will go well with the audience, who then might have more affinity towards her and might be more accepting of Rey's strong ways with the Force especially if they were skeptical before.

Yeah, I'd prefer it if Rey was just...powerful, rather than a genetic heir to the Skywalker/Kenobi legacy. I think they're strongly suggesting she's at least a Kenobi OR a Skywalker, but we'll see. I lean more towards the Kenobi connection, if only because Ben's voice is heard in her vision, talking directly to her.

Dude... THANK YOU. Someone paid attention to that.

This notion of Kylo Ren being weak is absurd. That dude took a major beating and still kept it together long enough to do all of that. We see his side temper tantrums and people immediately just think emo whiner. I saw these things as a very dangerous and unpredictable personality. Sometimes he'd deal with bad news with a very calm demeanor, other times in an absolute fit of rage. I would not want to be the one delivering bad news to Ren for anything.

And on Finn and Rey.... YES... all the points above. And aside that, we still don't know all of Rey's back history and connection to the force, but that there is a lot of speculation to be had before we see the next chapter.

I don't think he's weak, but I think he's undisciplined and lacking in control. Vader controlled his rage. Kylo just kind of vents it in a particular direction.
 
Man, whatever problems you have with TFA, I'd like to think people aren't putting it on the same shelf as Avatar. That movie was CRAP.

With the new trend in practical fx, I wonder how Avatar 2 will fare with a public wearying of CG cartoons?
 
Man, whatever problems you have with TFA, I'd like to think people aren't putting it on the same shelf as Avatar. That movie was CRAP.

I'd put Avatar higher in some ways, since it was not a recycled plot from within an existing and same franchise.
If you never saw Dances with Wolves, Pocahontas or others, you might not catch on or notice.
 
I'd put Avatar higher in some ways, since it was not a recycled plot from within the same franchise.
If you never saw Dances with Wolves, Pocahontas or others,, you might not catch on or notice.

To each his own! I'm not crazy about TFA's recycling, but man I hate Avatar with a fiery passion. It's practically a symbol of everything I hate about modern movies.
 
Star Wars s$&ts all over Avatar anyday.



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I'm also glad they brought the old cast back. Love em. :)
 
To each his own! I'm not crazy about TFA's recycling, but man I hate Avatar with a fiery passion. It's practically a symbol of everything I hate about modern movies.
I disagree. The only three flaws that avatar has are the recycled plot, the over-the-top environmentalist message and the glorified (and racist) allegory to aboriginal people.

But it's still a well done film. It doesn't fall into any of the traps of JJ trek, bond, transformers, etc...

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That sounds like either asgard or time lord technology


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I think my friend said I best when talking about Kylo's power . he mastered the pause button .I don't think it is more powerful than deflecting a laser like Vader did just different thinking about how to use the force. apparently he practices the power of the pause .
 
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Re: Adam Driver scarier with helmet off...

he took the mask off and Im like aaahhhh, if they made a live action beavis and butthead movie hed be perfect for butthead
LOL
or huh huh huh huh huh huh rather.

I do love how when he confronted Finn and Rey in the forest he talked a tough game but his face looked like a wounded child he looked almost like a different person entirely . you could see the pain on his face, it was great acting in that scene by Driver. the pain looked more than physical you could see the sadness of his fathers murder, the pain of being wounded and the anger he was manifesting to keep the dark side flowing through him all mixed together . when he started banging his wound I loved it . I really like the villain they created with him .
 
Man, whatever problems you have with TFA, I'd like to think people aren't putting it on the same shelf as Avatar. That movie was CRAP.

With the new trend in practical fx, I wonder how Avatar 2 will fare with a public wearying of CG cartoons?

Again, individual opinions are meaningless. What Box Office represents is the nonjudgmental metric. It measure how many people went to see the film. A huge number like Avatar or TFA also means a great many found enjoyment in that experience enough to recommend it to others and see it more then once. Numbers don't lie, people do. :)
 
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