Star Wars The Acolyte (tv series)
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I did it some time last year, I’m not gonna lie, I used my friends account to have a mando watch party every Friday night in the basement. But we quickly went from a watch party to b1tch fest every Friday night..That's what I did several weeks ago
For everything Star Wars related I just watch, screencrush, new rockstars and heavy spoilers.
These guys now recap every episode almost line for line and include bootleg screen grabs
With the junk Disney is giving us, I’m happy with these 3 YouTube channels to fill me in on what’s going on
Heavy spoilers is probably my favorite because he seems to be the only one with the big enough b@L’s to give his honest opinion right out of the viewing
I feel screencrush kind of sold himself out.. I don’t understand him.. his first video of the episode is always positive.. then he makes 2/3 more videos with his honest opinion and includes some of his friends. Which those videos tend to be more truthful
I feel that he contradicts himself now.. I really like Doug so I continue to watch because of him
What grates more is the Lazy mainstream media pedalling these articles and pretty much anything online these days as Fact...
I blame the millennial generation
"Get slippers and pipe and sinks back into that mighty fine easy chair"
From time to time I'll check out one or two of the YouTube channels reporting on this stuff. I don't follow them regularly but the one thing they have going for them is the reporting on the plot points of these shows and movies has panned out, so in that regard they at least have good sources for that. Something the mainstream media is too phony to actually address. The internal politics of Disney/ Lucasfilm side of these channels is just rumor and conjecture. I have my theories about the happenings within the company and their agendas but ultimately it all comes down to whether their product is good or bad. Getting too in the weeds theorizing about the cesspool of Hollywood is a waste of time because wherever there are human beings there will be some form of corruption. There's no sense in wallowing in the filth.
By and large I don't really care about those channels but they only came about as a reaction to the shill media who is in studio's pocket. I think the truth of the fan perspective is somewhere in the middle of the conversation. So I'm not specifically defending or promoting most of these channels so much as understanding how and why they exist. Ultimately the mainstream media does not speak for most fans, nor do they reflect the best interests of fans.
Halliwax is right. Voting with your wallet has been, and always will be, the solution to seeing any real change in the quality of the content.
By and large I don't really care about those channels but they only came about as a reaction to the shill media who is in studio's pocket. I think the truth of the fan perspective is somewhere in the middle of the conversation. So I'm not specifically defending or promoting most of these channels so much as understanding how and why they exist. Ultimately the mainstream media does not speak for most fans, nor do they reflect the best interests of fans.
Halliwax is right. Voting with your wallet has been, and always will be, the solution to seeing any real change in the quality of the content.
I strongly believe as long as we don’t give them any money, they will be forced to change their movie strategy.
It’s gonna take some time, but enough of us stand up i think we can make a change
Convincing the rest of the community? That’s the scariest part…
Saw a poll on YouTube on what’s the best new Star Wars show and Kenobi was in the lead…
We are all Doomed
It’s gonna take some time, but enough of us stand up i think we can make a change
Convincing the rest of the community? That’s the scariest part…
Saw a poll on YouTube on what’s the best new Star Wars show and Kenobi was in the lead…
We are all Doomed
baron von blondle
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Me too after the Mandalorian left me with some kind of incurable traumaThat's what I did several weeks ago
Still can’t believe that’s what we got..Me too after the Mandalorian left me with some kind of incurable trauma
Zero faith in Filoni and favreau I have..
HMSwolfe
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Eh, the writing was on the wall for how the show could take a turn from season 1. That’s what happens when people are reluctant to/angrily protest against critiquing things that they liked. There was good in seasons 1 & 2, but also bad. Instead of having healthy discussions about things that needed to improve or change, we got a lot of “in Favreau & Filoni we trust”, and “F&F saved Star Wars, Kennedy’s almost out!” “Don’t badmouth season 2, I liked having Cobb Vanth appear in Boba Fett’s armor (in a story that’s not even tangentially similar to the source material)! It made me rEMemBeR things!” When the creators don’t hear any honest critiques from their audience and just hear people gushing about every episode and every bit of fan service, that’s what the show turns in to. Low-effort, low-quality Saturday morning cartoon that is mostly an excuse for two middle-aged men to play with actors and sets and props as though they were action figures, rather than telling a story or delivering entertainment, or an excuse to milk the franchise for anything left that’s marketable (baby Yoda, Darksaber).
Haven’t really seen anything about this or most of the other SW shows announced for D+ that have me convinced the showrunners have a passion for a specific story to tell or anything other than “make more content, we need more.” They read more like “person was hired to run a show made by a bankrupt story group and has been coached to say buzzword-y things about the show for interviews”.
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HMSwolfe
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Well, we'll find out if Gareth Edwards can do it with his very Rogue One-looking movie "The Creator". I mean, even without the words "Gareth Edwards" and "from the director of Rogue One", I took one look at that poster and said "That's Gareth Edwards."
Look at it.
ScourgiousJinx
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The rub is it's not just watching, subscribing and buying Disney thats keeping it's wheels in motion. It's all of the dialogue about it. Every time anyone mentions in any kind of public forum or platform any Disney product, service, franchise, character, story, event etc. no matter what the context positive, negative or neutral... that sells more of it. Attention benefits them. Controversy sells, anger sells, disagreement sells. What doesn't sell is indifference, irrelevance and silence.
Ahem…is Star Wars ripping off Star Trek with the story of an intelligent machine looking for its “creator”??
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LOL... Maybe not.
I was in the middle of writing something but then accidently hit the 'Post reply' button. Didn't have time to type everything over again right then so I just posted the dots.
Anyways...
I was just thinking about what Jinx said, & he's absolutely right. The reasons "voting with your wallets" when it comes to SW, ST, IJ, & ALL the other IPs that have been constantly complained about, is because they're now, for better or worse, what's called EVERGREEN PROPERTIES.
I'll use Batman as an example... In the last 11 years, there have been 10 different actors portraying Batman/Bruce Wayne over 5 live action films & 2 TV shows, several different animated projects, video games, plus several projects that revolve AROUND Batman without him actually IN the show. These aren't even including the ongoing comic series that follow Batman & the extended Bat-Family.
Now look at the merch that you can buy brand new... You can get recently released figures of Pattinson, West, Bale, Keaton, & Affleck, plus innumerable figures based on comic stories & animated shows from over the last 30-40 years.
Why?
Because Batman is EVERGREEN! He's always going to be popular because it's Batman & there's not a generation alive that did not grow up with him in one form or another. Whether it be Miller's The Dark Knight Returns, West's campy portrayal, Conroy's B:TAS, JUSTICE LEAGUE, & JLU, or Nolan's trilogy. In just those examples you have vastly different versions of the character & they're ALL someone's Batman.
I say all that to say this- it's no longer about the 'story' with Batman, & if one project flops, it's still going to get attention because it's Batman, & there's always going to be something else with Batman just around the corner. Grandparents, aunts, uncles, & folks like that will always have some Batman merch on the shelf to pick up in a last minute gift run for a kid they barely know.
We are coming up to a time when SW has been a part of the zeitgeist for everyone younger than 60, & there's only a faithful few that see SW as the OT ONLY, & once they die out, or at least get too old to use tech, you're going to see less division. All the chatter, as Jinx said, is keeping the product EVERGREEN, & they'll keep putting stuff out because it's going to appeal to SOMEONE & will be 'their' favorite SW.
This brings me to my last point. As a man who knows there's many more days in the rearview than in the windshield, it kills me to hear all the people that value their money more than their time. All the bragging of how Disney/Lucasfilm/KK won't get a penny of their money, but they get HOURS of their time. Yup... You're pouring something much more valuable than your bank account into "woke/garbage/sewage/nonsense",& just like there's no such thing as bad publicity, there's no such thing as bad online dialog. If we're talking about it, no one cares about the content of what we say.
Treat yourself better.
I was in the middle of writing something but then accidently hit the 'Post reply' button. Didn't have time to type everything over again right then so I just posted the dots.
Anyways...
I was just thinking about what Jinx said, & he's absolutely right. The reasons "voting with your wallets" when it comes to SW, ST, IJ, & ALL the other IPs that have been constantly complained about, is because they're now, for better or worse, what's called EVERGREEN PROPERTIES.
I'll use Batman as an example... In the last 11 years, there have been 10 different actors portraying Batman/Bruce Wayne over 5 live action films & 2 TV shows, several different animated projects, video games, plus several projects that revolve AROUND Batman without him actually IN the show. These aren't even including the ongoing comic series that follow Batman & the extended Bat-Family.
Now look at the merch that you can buy brand new... You can get recently released figures of Pattinson, West, Bale, Keaton, & Affleck, plus innumerable figures based on comic stories & animated shows from over the last 30-40 years.
Why?
Because Batman is EVERGREEN! He's always going to be popular because it's Batman & there's not a generation alive that did not grow up with him in one form or another. Whether it be Miller's The Dark Knight Returns, West's campy portrayal, Conroy's B:TAS, JUSTICE LEAGUE, & JLU, or Nolan's trilogy. In just those examples you have vastly different versions of the character & they're ALL someone's Batman.
I say all that to say this- it's no longer about the 'story' with Batman, & if one project flops, it's still going to get attention because it's Batman, & there's always going to be something else with Batman just around the corner. Grandparents, aunts, uncles, & folks like that will always have some Batman merch on the shelf to pick up in a last minute gift run for a kid they barely know.
We are coming up to a time when SW has been a part of the zeitgeist for everyone younger than 60, & there's only a faithful few that see SW as the OT ONLY, & once they die out, or at least get too old to use tech, you're going to see less division. All the chatter, as Jinx said, is keeping the product EVERGREEN, & they'll keep putting stuff out because it's going to appeal to SOMEONE & will be 'their' favorite SW.
This brings me to my last point. As a man who knows there's many more days in the rearview than in the windshield, it kills me to hear all the people that value their money more than their time. All the bragging of how Disney/Lucasfilm/KK won't get a penny of their money, but they get HOURS of their time. Yup... You're pouring something much more valuable than your bank account into "woke/garbage/sewage/nonsense",& just like there's no such thing as bad publicity, there's no such thing as bad online dialog. If we're talking about it, no one cares about the content of what we say.
Treat yourself better.
Joek3rr
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Nostalgia blinds people. Everyone likes seeing Ewan and Hayden back together. And it's awesome. But the show was crap. The story was crap. And threw the continuity to the wind. (But the again, that seems to be the only lesson Dave Filoni learned from George. "Continuity is for wimps.")
Once I'm done making my SW projects (props/ costumes) for my personal collection, my only involvement with this IP will be business. Just making SW costumes for clients and hopefully I can venture out into other IP's and my own custom work. The discussion has been interesting, enlightening in some cases, frustrating at times, but it helped me hone my writing skills and I've made some awesome friends along the way. So for all the arguments that ensued, I still count it as a personal win to have such an intellectual experience. For me there is an end goal in this whole fandom. I'll enjoy my toys and the movies I love but I'll be off on my own doing it. I fully intend to bow out of the broader discussion online one day in the not too distant future. I've got other things I want to accomplish and experience.
Joek3rr
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There's so little that's original to The Mandalorian, either from a story perspective, or a Star Wars perspective. You have Boba Fett lookalike, that's totally not Boba Fett though. There's a droid that's totally not IG-88. Jawas that are totally different. And then there's Tatooine...again...and again....and again. I think I said after the second season came out, that it felt like Filoni and Favreau were just two kids playing with their Kenner toys. They just renamed all the characters so they were "new" characters. And then they came out said that themselves.... And they act like that's a good thing.
Also, there is still a definite "canon" hierarchy. The licensed content, is clearly not as "canon" as in-house produced content. I'm surprised people aren't arguing that 'bUt ItS nOt CaNoN tO dAvE!' Maybe that'll it happen after the next continuity reboot.
HMSwolfe
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Some of that “Boba Fett, but not” initially was good though. It A: allowed them to use nostalgia without relying on bad storytelling to explain why a dead character was suddenly alive again (cough cough Book of Boba Fett), and B: it allowed them to tell a story somewhat along the themes of not being what you simply appear to be. Mando seemed like a cold, lone bounty hunter, like Boba Fett. But his heart of gold was revealed with the child. IG-11 seemed like an assassin droid, like 88. But his programming could be changed. The kid obviously seemed like Yoda—destined to be some powerful, wise Jedi. There was a nugget of a promising story there—something perhaps a little meta, but good nonetheless. Your upbringing was not your destiny—whether you were made to kill or part of a cult or raised in the Jedi Temple, you could make your own fate.
It was when it just devolved into action figures and back door pilots and the like that it wilted and rotted on the vine. Anyway. That’s my two cents.
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