He probably got up and grabbed his legs and began crawling to the nearest bacta tank.
Star Wars Obi-Wan Kenobi (tv series)
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NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
Probably. I forgot the first rule of Star Wars. No one is ever really gone!
robstyle
Master Member
My grandfather was Native American 5'8
My grandmother was German 4'10
My mom was 5"10"
(only thing I know about my dad was he was French, so, maybe 5'8"?)
I am just a hair under 6'3"
All I can say is real sugar and old skool caffeine, can't prove it, but it's what kids grew up on in my time. And we all know daddy Vader was an afterthought. Hence the actual reason for the height thing.
With the PTSD thing. I once was helping care for a Vietnam vet back around 1989. He was the stereotypical movie vet where while sleeping he would reinact the same scenarios and dialog as if he was awake. The only way to deal with it was to wake him before he awoke and went on a brief tirade tossing everything around him. To wake him we had to hold his arms and legs down for a few seconds so he would relise where he actually is. It wasn't mumbled dreams but full yelling and conversation while sleeping. He was paranoid of crowds, if he talked to people he watched their hands and judged movements... It was extreme but it was real. It's very similar to being institutionalized where the brain has reprogramed itself for survival. Many times in those people life becomes lineal and any deviation in that daily path is beyond a day of ruin. The show could have done a better job with the PTSD thing but as I've already said prior the editing seems off and out of sych at times.
My grandmother was German 4'10
My mom was 5"10"
(only thing I know about my dad was he was French, so, maybe 5'8"?)
I am just a hair under 6'3"
All I can say is real sugar and old skool caffeine, can't prove it, but it's what kids grew up on in my time. And we all know daddy Vader was an afterthought. Hence the actual reason for the height thing.
With the PTSD thing. I once was helping care for a Vietnam vet back around 1989. He was the stereotypical movie vet where while sleeping he would reinact the same scenarios and dialog as if he was awake. The only way to deal with it was to wake him before he awoke and went on a brief tirade tossing everything around him. To wake him we had to hold his arms and legs down for a few seconds so he would relise where he actually is. It wasn't mumbled dreams but full yelling and conversation while sleeping. He was paranoid of crowds, if he talked to people he watched their hands and judged movements... It was extreme but it was real. It's very similar to being institutionalized where the brain has reprogramed itself for survival. Many times in those people life becomes lineal and any deviation in that daily path is beyond a day of ruin. The show could have done a better job with the PTSD thing but as I've already said prior the editing seems off and out of sych at times.
Star Wars (Episode IV) - what you see on screen was the result of a group of extremely talented and dedicated people, who were forced to improvise a lot due to budgetary constraints and technological restrictions. The quality of the screenplay was outstanding. The „used universe“ look, the score, props, costumes, type-casted actresses and actors created movie magic which lasts forever.
„The Mandalorian“ showed us an interesting live action television approach to an already established universe. Cool characters, a great score, nice visual effects and a heartwarming finale got me captured and put a smile on my face.
And now Kenobi. I can really feel the lack of a visionary father figure here, a story teller who would have been able to handle these iconic characters such as Kenobi and Vader with a sense of grandness. Everything was there and established, one just had to follow the basic rules - creating a really good story and professionally crafted screenplays for each episode. Perhaps Kenobi offered just too many possibilities, and the writers somehow got lost in the STW universe. For me, the result after watching three episodes is unfortunately only mediocre.
„The Mandalorian“ showed us an interesting live action television approach to an already established universe. Cool characters, a great score, nice visual effects and a heartwarming finale got me captured and put a smile on my face.
And now Kenobi. I can really feel the lack of a visionary father figure here, a story teller who would have been able to handle these iconic characters such as Kenobi and Vader with a sense of grandness. Everything was there and established, one just had to follow the basic rules - creating a really good story and professionally crafted screenplays for each episode. Perhaps Kenobi offered just too many possibilities, and the writers somehow got lost in the STW universe. For me, the result after watching three episodes is unfortunately only mediocre.
Master Boda
Sr Member
Lack of vision indeed,now it’s more about making those who scream loudest happy. I guess it’s a reflection of society,we now have the dumbest generation so we cater to them with stupidity. I have spent close to 20 years in the field of psychology building psych profiles and psychoanalysis of people from every walk of life.
The Jedi are better than the species from which they represent(in theory) so this is were I have a hard time with the PTSD(shell shock).In real life some vets went through the same experience some broke others didn’t,never thought of Obi being weak minded but I‘m not woke so maybe that’s why?
The Jedi are better than the species from which they represent(in theory) so this is were I have a hard time with the PTSD(shell shock).In real life some vets went through the same experience some broke others didn’t,never thought of Obi being weak minded but I‘m not woke so maybe that’s why?
MattWinchell
Sr Member
I've been pretty lenient on some of the decisions in the show so far because I think it's decent. I initially dismissed this plot-point, but a recent reddit thread poked fun at it and now i'm double-questioning how problematic this is. If Reva tells Vader that Bail has known about Ben's location, shouldn't Vader have dealt with Bail before ANH? Unless the show addresses Vader's intentions to leave Bail alone, this is a very weird decision.
EDIT: See my comment below for an explanation (to a degree)
EDIT: See my comment below for an explanation (to a degree)
MattWinchell
Sr Member
Actually, I guess there is a decent explanation behind this, but still loose. Because Bail is apart of the Imperial Senate, Vader can't really mess with Bail until ANH, so Bail has this sort of political immunity, but it's still a weird situation nonetheless.
Furthermore, threatening Bail this early on in the Empire's reign might make more systems under the Imperial Senate feel more inclined towards the Rebellion, which is why Vader's leash is held tight up until ANH.
Furthermore, threatening Bail this early on in the Empire's reign might make more systems under the Imperial Senate feel more inclined towards the Rebellion, which is why Vader's leash is held tight up until ANH.
CT1138
Sr Member
Yes!!! I was watching closely to see if they ever fixed that and they didn't. Triggered my OCD big time!
Not to mention how he battered down Luke physically and mentally before disarming him completely. Vader has had a long time to think about his revenge, and now that he has Kenobi trapped, he's going to enjoy it.
It's been established that Vader can remove his helmet under specialized conditions since ESB. Presumably his personal chamber on Mustafar would have similar conditions to his personal chamber on the Executor.
Literally Vader's entire power as a Sith is drawn from self-loathing for what he has done. There are years worth of material both canon and Legends where even Vader himself has stated that it is his self-hatred that sustains him. He feels regret and guilt for the things he's done, emotions that Palpatine seems incapable of, and that's what sets Vader apart from other Sith. Maul's hatred of the Jedi, and in particular, Kenobi, is what kept him alive and sustained him. Dooku's hatred of the Sith, and the arrogance of the Jedi is what turned him and sustained him. Vader's hatred is internal. He hates himself for what he's become, and he blames Kenobi even though deep down he knows it's all his fault. Heck, this comic came out over 20 years ago, before "woke" was ever a thing, before even AotC or RotS. Vader has always been written as a tragic figure filled with regret.
They change Vader's look every movie, not to mention his lightsaber. I try not to think about it too hard.
I always got the impression that Bail was too respected in the Senate for the Empire to attack him directly, that doing so might affect the support the Emperor had. It was only once the Death Star was completed that Bail could be confronted without fear of the consequences.
modelcitizen
Sr Member
"AOTC was if I remember right one of the first movies to use blue screen"
this made me lol
this made me lol
Egon Spengler
Master Member
Just binged 1-3. So far it's decent at best, and at worst it breaks proper cannon, which I personally think was tossed to the wind just to have a "cool scene" and honestly, that just plain sucks. Canon means something and this series doesn't seem to care. I'll continue to watch it, but man did they ever screw the time line and a great line in ANH up ROYALLY. So lame. The scene on it's own was cool, but when you put it into the context and timeline it breaks it and well, that's bad writing. Also I keep hearing how people are annoyed with Reva. Sorry, never had a single issue with her. I don't get the hate.
CopperRevan
Master Member
Here is a simple rhetorical question...Did Obi-wan in ANH seem like he had PTSD? I'm a military vet and i'm not discounting it in real life but i find it interesting that when ANH was filmed in 1976, the term PTSD wasn't even thought of yet. So let's start at ANH and take OBI-Wan as he was then...then go backwards in time if you can. Only base things on what you learned about him in ANH. Don't bring in the prequels yet. I'm serious, just watch ANH again, write stuff down on paper. When you think you are done then watch ROTS. Take the info that was left of that movie and write it down concerning Obi-Wan. If you compare your notes thus far, you have to be scratching your head by now. Now add in what you've learned from Rebels/clone wars. Now you're head is spinning. Finally, add in Han Solo movie/Rogue One and now the Kenobi series. Compare your notes to the original notes from ANH and if your notes don't make sense then you've probably done your math equation correctly. 2 plus 2 will never be 5. No matter how you try to manipulate those numbers it will simply never add up. "but wait...there are 3 more episodes to make the whole puzzle complete" , some will say.
To that i say, "Don't do it Anakin...i have the high ground". (I'm not saying this arrogantly) It's just 3 more episodes that will clearly expose the fact that there is no way the two Obi-wans are the same character. Oh wait...probably be another season...Great!! I can't wait for the day i wake up to another Disney/Lucasfilm Revisionist Theologian trying to manipulate us into believing Greedo was just misunderstood as a child and went through horrible PTSD from "toxic" people around him and that's what made him into a thug(Awweee...worlds tiniest fiddle), and if it wasn't for that toxic bully Han Solo shooting him in cold blood, he would be still enjoying what he loved to do(who are we to judge?)lol
To that i say, "Don't do it Anakin...i have the high ground". (I'm not saying this arrogantly) It's just 3 more episodes that will clearly expose the fact that there is no way the two Obi-wans are the same character. Oh wait...probably be another season...Great!! I can't wait for the day i wake up to another Disney/Lucasfilm Revisionist Theologian trying to manipulate us into believing Greedo was just misunderstood as a child and went through horrible PTSD from "toxic" people around him and that's what made him into a thug(Awweee...worlds tiniest fiddle), and if it wasn't for that toxic bully Han Solo shooting him in cold blood, he would be still enjoying what he loved to do(who are we to judge?)lol
CopperRevan
Master Member
There was actually another trooper as well that fell down close to where he was that magically disappeared...must've been a force projection that fizzled out too early.
CT1138
Sr Member
Based on ANH alone, we know that Obi-Wan was a war vet, and statistically most veterans will experience PTSD at some point. I think the issue with looking for PTSD in a movie character in a 1970s movie, is frankly most movies from that era just did not portray elderly war veterans with a mental disability. PTSD in general was stigmatized at the time (and to a level still can be), and a light-hearted fantasy like Star Wars just was not the place to incorporate that layer into the fabric of the story. Actually, now that I think of it, The Deer Hunter is the first movie I've seen that showcased PTSD in a sympathetic view and not just "Uh-oh, Uncle Charlie's getting weird around the firecrackers again!"
I think it's kind of like looking for a sex scene in a popular movie from the 1940s. It's not that people didn't have sex, but incorporating it into a movie was not going to happen.
CopperRevan
Master Member
I see what you are saying but that was not my main point. I must not have communicated that clearly enough. But to your point, if Star Wars was not the movie to incorporate that layer into the fabric of the story then, then why all of a sudden is it ok now? It's a fantasy...He's a Jedi for crying out loud. So Luke should have PTSD from getting zapped by the emperor and seeing his father die, and Han should have it from being frozen in carbonite...heck, Leia watched her own planet get blown to bits and millions of people died. We don't need to be enlightening about this that and the other in a space fantasy...we know about pain and suffering and that they all experienced it so do we have to then go back and write a back story showing it? If so, it better make sense and this one does not...at all.
CT1138
Sr Member
Times have changed, and stigmas have changed with them. These days it's considered okay not to bottle up traumas, and to have your experiences affirmed in fiction.
As to the other characters, everybody processes trauma differently. After the war, everybody tried building a new life, and not all of them successfully.
Luke tried building a new Jedi Order, and when it was brought down upon him, he blamed himself and walked away from it all, kinda like Obi-Wan did.
Han tried raising a family, but when Ben turned to the Dark Side, his relationship with Leia shattered. Blaming himself, Han went back to a life of crime, probably seeing it as the only thing he was ever good at.
Leia tried building a career as a politician, but when it came out that Vader was her father, her career died. Her warnings about Imperial resurgence was viewed as warmongering and she was left with a handful of like-minded paramilitarists to sit on the front porch with shotguns waiting for the enemy to return.
So in the end, they're all suffering from PTSD and handling it differently.
Luke gave up and turned to a life in solitude.
Han gave up and went back to crime.
Leia doubled down and became "Uncle Charlie shooting holes in the walls every time a speeder backfires."
Speaking of processing trauma differently...
>Claims to have psychological background
>Calls vets who outwardly display PTSD as "broken" and "weak minded."
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Wolfsburg
Master Member
Of course but that's not what we're referring to. Numerous times now in comics, video games and even in the Rebels TV show, we see a "battledamaged" Vader, usually with helmet destroyed and face partially revealed to dramatic effect, suit in tatters. This has always been incredibly cheesy to me. I know it's done "because it's like cool man", but as far as I'm concerned, the suit should be far more resilient than depicted in these cases and Vader should be in a bad way if it somehow ever was damaged to the extent that is sometimes shown. It is a life support suit with all kinds of technology and medical aids built into it. Vader should be strangling to death in a heap if this sealed suit is compromised as is sometimes depicted, rather than continuing on somehow unscathed.
CopperRevan
Master Member
I see what you did there. You had to justify everything with the ST and so forth. That is a huge stretch and using assumptions and reading between lines in order to justify retconing the characters. So you say, some responded this way and that and yet some how 100% of them all have PTSD...in different ways. That seems very intentional if you ask me and there's an agenda behind it. I get it...let the past die...kill it if you must. That is why nothing today or very little will stand the test of time for quality in story telling because " everybody is a victim and whoa is me and its everybody else's fault and it's not my fault for my choices and everyone gets a trophy". We will call everything PTSD then which will water it down( just like they are doing with the OT characters) reducing it to an excuse to the detriment of those that ACTUALLY have it for real. Everyone who disagrees is " toxic" Everyone who dislikes how an actor performs is a " racist" . If you dislike how a show is written or produced you're not a " real fan". There is no good and evil...it's all grey. Goodness gracious. If one thing we all seem to be professionals at is justifying are endless excuses about why we do what we do without taking personal responsibilities yet we somehow are experts at why fictional characters are written poorly. The OT wasn't good enough? The characters needed further exploration? The story shouldn't end? Explain to us why then. It sure felt complete to me. What has been added to any of the character's arc that gives them any more gravitas than what they originally had and did it add any gravitas to the original story itself ? Answer...no, if anything it takes away and undermines it. " Well , he has PTSD...yeah...that's it..PTSD, I tell you...such a toxic series of unfortunate events and he had to give up his life for little Luke's sake..." Poor, poor Obi-Wan...he needs guidance from his PTSD by the help of a little girl and get back on track in his life because of all the trauma he's been through" ....please!!
