Star Wars Obi-Wan Kenobi (tv series)

[Wolfsburg]

It baffles me that folks think Obi Wan's life was a straight line from the end of RotS to ANH, where he just hung out in the desert and meditated on the force until it was time to train Luke.

The man left his best friend to die, cooked by a river of lava. Of course he is going to have some PTSD after his best friend murdered nearly everyone who mattered to him, forcing him to go into exile on a backwater world where he can watch his friend's son grow up from a distance and hope to train him someday.

This series could only have been about how Obi Wan went from being broken to being the one we saw in ANH.

It was never going to be about how Obi Wan, ultra competent Jedi Master, galavanted around the galaxy while on his off time from being a hermit.

Well I've always felt this show shouldn't exist because yes, I'm totally fine with Obi-wan sacrificing 20 years of his life in exile on Tatooine, dedicated solely to watching over Luke. That feels far more true to the mythic qualities that shaped so much of the OT. The mysterious desert mystic watching over the future hope of the galaxy. As it is, they are just trying to pull a story out of thin air where there doesn't need to be one because some fans were creaming their pants to see Ewan as Obi-wan again...regardless of whether it was actually a good idea or not. For me, if they just had to make this show, I would've rather it been a focused, small scale character study of the man, limited to Tatooine. Maybe explore his difficulties trying to reach out to Qui-gon, his guilts, sadness, flashbacks, dealing with locals, butting heads with Owen, just surviving in a desert, etc. None of this other cheesy, unneeded fluff. That's probably why the first episode of the show we got has been my favorite. If they had kept down that path and run with it, I could've more accepted it. If they just had to have more content, contrast it with what Vader is doing, but no Obi-wan matchups please.

 

[Paul Andrew]

Well I've always felt this show shouldn't exist because yes, I'm totally fine with Obi-wan sacrificing 20 years of his life in exile on Tatooine, dedicated solely to watching over Luke. That feels far more true to the mythic qualities that shaped so much of the OT. The mysterious desert mystic watching over the future hope of the galaxy. As it is, they are just trying to pull a story out of thin air where there doesn't need to be one because some fans were creaming their pants to see Ewan as Obi-wan again...regardless of whether it was actually a good idea or not. For me, if they just had to make this show, I would've rather it been a focused, small scale character study of the man, limited to Tatooine. Maybe explore his difficulties trying to reach out to Qui-gon, his guilts, sadness, flashbacks, dealing with locals, butting heads with Owen, just surviving in a desert, etc. None of this other cheesy, unneeded fluff. That's probably why the first episode of the show we got has been my favorite. If they had kept down that path and run with it, I could've more accepted it.

I don't think Star Wars is built to be that type of character study. It's Star Wars, not Citizen Kane.

 

[HMSwolfe]

So, it’s unrealistic that a space-fantasy story have a mentor character wait in a desert for twenty years not doing much, but all of a sudden can’t handle the small and quiet realism of that life either? Pick a lane, man.

 

[Wolfsburg]

I don't think Star Wars is built to be that type of character study. It's Star Wars, not Citizen Kane.

Why not? These shows are a perfect way to explore the horizons, so to speak. But if I had to choose, I'd rather them just leave Obi-wan alone entirely.

 

[HMSwolfe]

Why not? These shows are a perfect way to explore the horizons, so to speak.

The best parts of Mando, in my opinion, are the “character study” parts. Having a character whose narrow viewpoint is slowly being pulled apart and having that character reevaluate the core beliefs and tenets of his life are part of what make the show captivating.

 

[Paul Andrew]

So, it’s unrealistic that a space-fantasy story have a mentor character wait in a desert for twenty years not doing much, but all of a sudden can’t handle the small and quiet realism of that life either? Pick a lane, man.

It's unrealistic to have a series about that life in Star Wars. If they had left Obi Wan alone and not done the series it would have been fine the way we all envisioned it for the last 30 years, but given that there is a series, it was never going to be about Obi Wan having no adventures, quietly biding his time while he patiently waited for Luke to grow up. There just isn't a Star Wars story in there. Star Wars is and has always been pulp adventure scifi/fantasy, and any deep character work has been at best assumed by the audience.

Not to mention the absolute upheaval among the fanbase when they've attempted character work, be it Anakin's fall or Luke's reclusivity.

 

[CopperRevan]

It baffles me that folks think Obi Wan's life was a straight line from the end of RotS to ANH, where he just hung out in the desert and meditated on the force until it was time to train Luke.

The man left his best friend to die, cooked by a river of lava. Of course he is going to have some PTSD after his best friend murdered nearly everyone who mattered to him, forcing him to go into exile on a backwater world where he can watch his friend's son grow up from a distance and hope to train him someday.

This series could only have been about how Obi Wan went from being broken to being the one we saw in ANH.

It was never going to be about how Obi Wan, ultra competent Jedi Master, galavanted around the galaxy while on his off time from being a hermit.

You are saying this in light of the events of ROTS because unfortunately, that movie was made as well, along with the other PTs. Because of that fact ...and Rebels...and Kenobi, we are left to sift events of how somewhere from being cut in half to becoming a crime lord, Darth Maul survives, senses Obi-Wan is protecting someone, gets killed by Kenobi while Darth vader suspects nothing, while before that he is eager to protect Luke, commune with Quigon, only to show up 10 years later, hasn't figured out how to commune with Qui gon yet, loses force ability while hopelessly protecting Luke, while trying to avoid Inquisitors who know of Vader but Kenobi doesn't yet somehow and know gets called away to take care of Leia because her rich parents didn't think about an upgraded security for her...and I can keep going but the point is, is that its a giant mess!!! We didn't need to know every stinking detail of everything. Like Leia said to Tarkan, " the more you tighten your grip, the more that slips through your fingers". The OT was complete...That should've been it. The more they try to connect the dots, the more confusing the overall picture is. We already knew what the picture is...end of story.

 

[Psab keel]

Not to mention the absolute upheaval among the fanbase when they've attempted character work, be it Anakin's fall or Luke's reclusivity.

No one is against character work, as long as it doesn't redefine the core of the character in the process. That has been and always will be the point of objection. Though I don't need to rehash any old discussion points.

As for this show, I don't know if I have much more to add. I've seen clips and I have nothing nice at all to say about it.

 

[ScourgiousJinx]

There are a lot of ways Kenobi's story during this time could've been handled differently and far better than what we are apparently getting (it could get better only halfway through). Take for example the 2013(?) Kenobi novel. Great story and well written on a small scale without Darth Vader, Inquisitors, Leia, galavanting around the galaxy and Kenobi being a completely broken mess.

PTSD should break a normal human, the things he's had to deal with are unimaginable. But Kenobi is a Jedi Master in a fictional universe where it seems logical one of the most powerful Masters in the galaxy, who has spent his life in devotion to the force would have emotional, mental and spiritual tools to deal with PTSD that regular people don't have. He shouldn't be as broken as he is in this IMO.

 

[jkno]

Vader & Shaggy from Scooby Doo:

 

[Treadwell]

Again, it's right there in ROTS, references in ancillary material are not needed. Obi-Wan heard the Emperor give Anakin his new name in the security footage. He knew it the same day. Not one year later, not ten. That day.
*(or however long it takes to travel from Utapau to Coruscant)

 

[Master Boda]

The “Disney garbage” thing is so old.

The prequels
The holiday special
Droids
Ewok adventures
Clone wars movie
Ewoks Battle for endor
Ewoks caravan of courage

The special editions

The 90’s hulking out toy line…

All Lucas approved. All pre Disney.

Gimme a break.

It’s Lucasfilm garbage.

Literally everything pre-Disney - other than the Original Trilogy (obviously) - was garbage. And if you ask people who were in their 30’s when Jedi came out, they’ll say even that was garbage. “EWOKS!?!?”

Only diff now is the mouse gets a cut from it.

Lucasfilm was more than movies.Ever heard of THX,Skywalker sound.Lucasfilm in some sense was a pioneer in film.When TPM came out it took CGI to a new level it had never been at previous.AOTC was if I remember right one of the first movies to use blue screen and was filmed in with tech new to the industry.LucasArts had a string of some of the best SW games to ever be made,one of them being KOTOR and anyone who played it already had already experienced the scene in the Mandalorian when the krayt dragon was killed or in BOBF when the tuskens told the story of Tatooines past we had already heard the story. I could go on but I think you get the point.

What has Disney really pioneered other than theme parks that overcharge for everything and lifting ideas from others and calling them there own.And before you say the Lion King watch a Japanese movie called Kimba. I could list a lot that Disney has done but that might fall under political,so I won’t bring that up plus Winnie the Pooh would not like that.

 

[Master Boda]

Ah geez Rick

 

[jkno]

 

[Usagi Pilgrim]

Well there it is...

Just takes one apple, as the old saying goes. Y'all enjoy the 'Critical Thinking'.

I'm out.

 

[NeoRutty]

Lucasfilm was more than movies.Ever heard of THX,Skywalker sound.Lucasfilm in some sense was a pioneer in film.When TPM came out it took CGI to a new level it had never been at previous.AOTC was if I remember right one of the first movies to use blue screen and was filmed in with tech new to the industry.LucasArts had a string of some of the best SW games to ever be made,one of them being KOTOR and anyone who played it already had already experienced the scene in the Mandalorian when the krayt dragon was killed or in BOBF when the tuskens told the story of Tatooines past we had already heard the story. I could go on but I think you get the point.

What has Disney really pioneered other than theme parks that overcharge for everything and lifting ideas from others and calling them there own.And before you say the Lion King watch a Japanese movie called Kimba. I could list a lot that Disney has done but that might fall under political,so I won’t bring that up plus Winnie the Pooh would not like that.

I believe we were talking about the Star Wars movies.

Durr really? What a THX?

“Before you say lion king”

Thanks for film history lesson!!! Imma write that in my “things to look up” book.

Dude. Don’t watch Disney stuff then. Star Wars or otherwise. You’re not gonna run outta content.

There’s a thing called streaming now… ever heard of it? It’s on your TV or tablet… even your phone! You can watch stuff on phones now… you ever heard of a smart phone?

There’s also this thing called Netflix… ever hear of it? You can look it up on the internet (Not created by Disney… so don’t worry…)

Also have your heard of Amazon? They got this thing called “prime” (not like the transformer guy - and yea I already knew they came from Japan. I’m up on that)

HBO has a channel now too. That used to be like a premium channel on this thing called cable…

Now we’re BOTH informed

 

[Jamesfett]

Speaking of Winnie the Pooh here is an argument to never let any IP fall into Public Domain.

An actual Winnie the Pooh Horror movie.

What is ***** waiting for?

 

[NeoRutty]

Speaking of Winnie the Pooh here is an argument to never let any IP fall into Public Domain.

An actual Winnie the Pooh Horror movie.

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What is ***** waiting for?

There’s for sure an argument there.

 

[Paul Andrew]

Speaking of Winnie the Pooh here is an argument to never let any IP fall into Public Domain.

An actual Winnie the Pooh Horror movie.

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What is ***** waiting for?

I will probably never watch this thing, but I'm glad it exists. Bring the weird!

 

[dirtyjawa]

I believe we were talking about the Star Wars movies.

Durr really? What a THX?

“Before you say lion king”

Thanks for film history lesson!!! Imma write that in my “things to look up” book.

Dude. Don’t watch Disney stuff then. Star Wars or otherwise. You’re not gonna run outta content.

There’s a thing called streaming now… ever heard of it? It’s on your TV or tablet… even your phone! You can watch stuff on phones now… you ever heard of a smart phone?

There’s also this thing called Netflix… ever hear of it? You can look it up on the internet (Not created by Disney… so don’t worry…)

Also have your heard of Amazon? They got this thing called “prime” (not like the transformer guy - and yea I already knew they came from Japan. I’m up on that)

HBO has a channel now too. That used to be like a premium channel on this thing called cable…

Now we’re BOTH informed

If South Park taught me anything it's that everyone is overreaching in the streaming wars. No one has any 'tegridy left. Even Disney.