Star Wars Obi-Wan Kenobi (tv series)

I’ve never been a Filoni fanboy and he’s certainly not perfect but honestly, given the situation we find ourselves in, I think he knows and understands SW better than most that are in any position of power at LFL. I don’t think he’s a particularly good writer or director but I do think his head is in the right place even if the execution is sometimes off.
 
Which kinda my point. Kathleen (particularly being the Executive Producer) is behind everything at Lucasfilm. Both the (subjectively) "good" and "bad." Credit (or blame) where credit is due.

Though it does raise an interesting question, who was behind the other Star Wars films? George Lucas right? Yet he wasn't the president of Lucasfilm. Just a weird thought.
Lucas was a creative. Running the business end of it (non-creative), and overseeing a few thousand employees within multiple divisions is a fulltime job that I believe few creatives want to do.

Lucas was always behind pre-Disney Star Wars - creatively and financially - but operations was handled by someone else. Doing both would be nearly impossible at that scale.
 
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Which is why knowing what's best for a story is the key to good story telling. If a character dies to best serve the story then so be it. Lucas killed off Obi-Wan in the first film in order for Luke's story to have agency. Could you imagine if he'd lived? We would have never gotten Yoda and so much would have been impacted just by that one decision. Secondary characters are there to support the leads, not the other way around. Mandalorian got lost in the shadows of his co stars in Season 2. When that happens your show is no longer about your lead and really shouldn't be called the Mandalorian because he takes a back seat to everyone else.
 
The Galactic Empire on the other hand i view almost as entirely a military in its structuring and organization from what we see in the films. They ARE the cold and ruthless fist who “keep the other systems in line”, eventually forming that core concept into the physical creation of the Death Star. Thats not to say militaries don’t have their share of fools, or even fools in positions of power.. but they’re generally outliers by comparison because the system itself usually has a means of weeding them out through necessity (Admiral Ozzel for instance).
Disney and Filoni, on the otherhand tend to deliberately present the entire system as inherently incompetent, which is something the OT’s writing was careful to never really do

The thing is, we never really get to see how exactly the Empire works as a whole in the OT. We see little glimpses of it here and there but I'd argue not enough to get a complete picture of the Empire at work. All we really know is that the Emperor is in charge and there was an Imperial Senate until Palpatine abolished it. The lore suggests that the Empire was essentially a military dictatorship of sorts, but aside from that there's very little in the OT to suggest whether the Imperial government was competent or not.
 
Lucas was a creative. Running the business end of it (non-creative), and overseeing a few thousand employees within multiple divisions is a fulltime job that I believe few creatives want to do.

Lucas was always behind pre-Disney Star Wars - creatively and financially - but operations was handled by someone else. Both would be nearly impossible at that scale.
So where does Kathleen fall? She's the president, but she's also functions as an Executive Producer.
 
So where does Kathleen fall? She's the president, but she's also functions as an Executive Producer.
At that level, with her experience; she'll likely EP anything she wants.
And I'll guess 95% of the time she's a no-show because there's an hierarchy of producers underneath her doing most of the leg work.

On her EP hit list is probably daily staff, cast, budget and logistics updates from pre, post and in-production crews. So anything related to the making of content.

On her President hit list is probably Disney board meetings, marketing and merchandising meetings, meeting with other studios (like Paramount for Indy V, for example). So anything related with the division she runs within the Disney empire and LFL's business dealings outside of D.

A simplified ballpark breakdown, but that's my educated guess.


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A simplified example>

You're a bankable writer and director with a SW script for a feature.
Your agent sends the script to KK, she returns saying she likes it and wants to meet with you.
Your agent sets up a meeting with LFL (at that level you'd meet directly with KK and her producing circle).
The meet goes well, things move forward.

As President, she and her LFL executives will determine and clear a budget and a target release date for your feature.
As EP, she, along with other EPs and Producers and you, the Director, will be directly accountable for how that budget is spent, and will make sure the project wraps on schedule. As EP she'll make sure you're surrounded with the Producers and Line Producers and ADs and an entire crew best suited for the project you wrote and pitched. She knows it all because she has been doing this for decades - and she's been one of the best at it.

Once the project wraps, she'll oversee marketing, advertising, test-screening and potential release date changes. This may apply to different release dates in different territories.

There's a lot more to this (contract negotiations with talent and unions, ego management, crisis management, etc), but that's how her role would kinda play out if you were making a feature for LFL.

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K used to be a person to be trusted in making sure that the projects she worked on made huge profits. She did that because she was (probably) good at reassuring Studio Presidents she used to work for, she was good at keeping everyone in-check throughout every stage of production, and she had the reciprocal trust of some of the biggest filmmakers in history (Spielberg, Zemeckis and Lucas (Indy)). She was one of the best players in history.

Her becoming President of LFL is like a player becoming coach after retirement. Some succeed, some don't, regardless of how successful a player they were.

For a lot of us, we'd like to think that K has failed as a coach, because her coaching doesn't fall inline with how we see the game.

But the reality is that, in this business, only the bottom line decides if you're successful or not. And based on that dominant Hollywood criteria; K is one of the most successful coaches in history. We might not like how she wins those championships, but she and the Disney Board Members don't care. It's the unfairness of big-money business. It's been going on since before anyone here was born, and will go on long after we expire.
 
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Ehh... From what I've heard, criticism aside, KK likes to force her foot in the door on a lot of things. Will be interesting to see how this effects the end product if true. I'm also curious if the original script will leak online, if it hasn't already.


SOOOOOO I've proposed this question before regarding StarWars, especially ever since Disney took over.... and maybe its better suited to the general StarWars thread, but its related to this....

What BAD actually happened under the Galactic Empire? like when compared to the Old Republic that makes it such a time of suffering? Like besides order 66 killing all the people with shiny swords and religious superhero powers and dead younglings. And I mean in the film media itself, not any tertiary marvel comic slop... At the moment, its seemingly really just dead Aunt and Uncle, Alderaan being blown all to hell, The Battle of Hoth and Cloud City being taken over, yeah??

Reason I say this is Disney, with the help of Dave Filoni in the preceding years, tend to present the Empire, and especially Stormies, as otherwise incompetent and or barely able to put 2 +2 together.. Its a trend that I absolutely despise, because idiots don't take over the goddamn galaxy.... It just doesn't happen.. They're criminally smart, calculating and deadly...
Thrawn, as hes presented in Rebels for example, should be the STANDARD of inteligence for the Imperial Officers. And Thrawn himself leagues beyond that...
How the Empire is presented in current StarWars really almost has a backfire effect on itself in its own somewhat virtue signaling manner. The hero's are intelligent and overcome through no other means than they believe in 'the good', while the bad guys are bumping into each other or make idiotic calls because they believe in 'the bad', and only idiots would ever believe in 'the bad'. In the end the hero's never really struggle or learn, and their powers or strengths never feel earned or their character arcs that relatable. Its something that ended up plaguing the sequel trilogy to the point that the only reason that TLJ's "story" even happens is because the bad guys weirdly deliberately choose to shoot at an empty base on a planet that can’t even go anywhere, rather than the helpless ship full of targets in front of them.... It's insane.

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edit: This is going to get me into a 'Stormies actually do aim well in the OT, they're just under strict orders from a guy who will murder them to let our Heros go, or to capture them alive to help Vader turn Luke to the dark side... Its right in the damn movies!' rant :lol:
Regarding what "good" the Empire did and what life was like after the Empire fell...that was the story that the sequel trilogy should have gone into.

The Empire, for better or worse, imposed law and order in an unruly galaxy. Even planets that were lawless and likely not under their control still seemed to fear and obey the Empire (like Tatooine). And even under a tyrannical ruler, some law and order is better than absolutely none unless you are the specific minority the ruler wants to demonize to consolidate power.

Hell, based on the EU, the Empire was better for humans. The Empire was apparently pro-human (hence why the Empire seems to be staffed mostly by humans). The universal language seems to be basic. The Empire gives a ton of jobs with benefits and boosts the economy by funding construction. Designing that Death Star definitely MADE an architect's career lol. Given the fact that the Empire seems to have a firm monopoly, a stormtrooper's life seems pretty good (you get armor, a nice weapon, live in a secure base) compared to being a moisture farmer.

So the Empire falling and no unified power structure (PT had the senate, OT had the Empire) should result in absolute chaos. And as Littlefinger says, "chaos is a ladder" with which provides tons of opportunity for those willing to claim it. Now that the big dude is gone, it should be a free-for-all with many parties fighting for power and in-fighting.

The rebellion isnt a "unified" entity. They are multiple factions brought together with a single goal to take down the Empire. Once it is gone, they have their own desires that may conflict with one another. Do we really think everyone will just step back and say "Leia is the hero, she should be the next leader of our government"?

Nevermind the fact that its not like the Empire is destroyed. Their two leaders may be gone (resulting in a succession crisis) but there are still commanders with their own regiments who may start thinking they are due for a promotion to next Emperor (aka Thrawn). Or third parties who see an opportunity to increase their power and wealth now that there is no government to regulate them (hutts, black sun, etc.)

It will result in a universe of more frequent wars and violence as factions struggle for power. In those trying times, people will start to miss the Empire and the "peace" it established in their daily lives.
 
The goofball (Filoni) literally added Time Travel into StarWars as a glorified ‘speed bump’ in order to save his precious Ahsoka rather than add her characters death into the value of Anakin’s later redemption with Luke

Hes a hack
Agreed 100%.

Filoni is the kid at school that tried to convince you that Han Solo’s brother was in the next movie, the rebels were going to clone Luke to have an army, or that the stormtroopers were all battle droids.

There is good story telling, and then the absolute goofy crap that Filoni should have been dialed back on before it became a problem crossing several eras.
 
Last time I heard people talking about Filoni time travel they were defending him. The theory being he did it to give them an out to possibly erase/fix the ST. Personally I think it was a wild idea that they most likely won't revisit.
 
HeartBlade, that's exactly what I address in my rewrite. Mon Mothma was the de-facto leader of the Rebel Alliance after Bail Organa died, and was the first New Republic head-of-state, but it is much easier to be against something than to create something to replace it. The Empire in the current canon fell, I think, too easily. A year after Endor, the last holdouts were forced to surrender at Jakku. There's a whole lot we don't know yet about the following years. Was the Empire allowed to retain Corsuscant? Did some starship commanders take their ships out to set up on their own? There were, per Solo at Endor, "lots of command ships" like the Executor. The Ravager was the last and crashed on Jakku. What happened to the others?

It's sloppy to have to rely on ancillary material, but the novels do establish that by the time the Sequel Trilogy was drawing near, a lot of New Republic politicians were waxing rhapsodic for the good old days under the Empire. Some were corrupt and had profited under Imperial doctrine. Some were far enough from the events the horrors had faded and all they remembered was that at least Palpatine made the trains run on time. Some were young enough they don't remember the Empire and feel it couldn't have been that bad. It's good stuff and should have been on the screen instead of in a novel too much of the intended audience won't read.
 
Inquisitor Peregrinus i agree relying on ancillary material is really bad storytelling, especially when its divided among different forms of media. Makes it really unaccessible.

Star Wars is unfortunately not a stranger to this, PT hiding a ton of story and character development in comics and the cartoon series. Hell, Episode 3 is nonsense if you havent seen the cartoon and have no idea who Grevious is.

Thats a cool rewrite. This could have been a good tv show (the remnants of the Empire) that could be a lead in into the sequel trilogy.
 
It’s also impacts the weight of what happens on screen. We know Alderaan is peaceful, and the home to our heroine Leia, so there’s a certain amount of horror that it could be destroyed without much regard. In the ST, we have no idea what these five planets are that are destroyed. No one on screen has any connection to them, and we genuinely give them any importance in our minds. I shouldn’t have to read three novels, and 20 comics to go “oh crap, Hosnian Prime was a huge loss to the New Republic.”

I’m going to hound on this too…If you could see the huge laser beams coming, why didn’t they move the capital ships? We will lose the planet regardless, but let’s toss the fleet into the line of fine for fun.
 
Regarding what "good" the Empire did and what life was like after the Empire fell...that was the story that the sequel trilogy should have gone into.

The Empire, for better or worse, imposed law and order in an unruly galaxy. Even planets that were lawless and likely not under their control still seemed to fear and obey the Empire (like Tatooine). And even under a tyrannical ruler, some law and order is better than absolutely none unless you are the specific minority the ruler wants to demonize to consolidate power.

Hell, based on the EU, the Empire was better for humans. The Empire was apparently pro-human (hence why the Empire seems to be staffed mostly by humans). The universal language seems to be basic. The Empire gives a ton of jobs with benefits and boosts the economy by funding construction. Designing that Death Star definitely MADE an architect's career lol. Given the fact that the Empire seems to have a firm monopoly, a stormtrooper's life seems pretty good (you get armor, a nice weapon, live in a secure base) compared to being a moisture farmer.
Let us not forget they gave us the aquaduct.

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