Star Wars Obi-Wan Kenobi (tv series)

I recall in Legends that Vader would try and see if and for how long he could survive without the suit. But suspect will probably see him coming out of his bacta tank in his castle.

Vader isn't going to hunt down every random Jedi Padawan that just happened to survive. That's what the Inquisitors are for. He's got bigger targets, like Obi-Wan.

I do like the idea of Vader trying to see how long he can survive outside the suit while not in the Bacta tank, and I also recall this from pre Disney material, but if we see that constantly, it does beg the question of the necessity of the suit. That's far too much thought than they put into those scenes. They just wanted a cool looking "superhero suiting up sequence" for Vader rather than give it any meaning. Trust me. I would be shocked if they even explain anything remote to that piece of lore.

I get that the galaxy is a lot of ground to cover, but unless Vader was personally commanding the Empire's forces to conquer other worlds, what role does he really play other than to hunt Jedi? There's plenty of Imperial Officers to direct the battles. Vader doesn't need to be standing watch and from what we've seen, even in Rogue One, Vader doesn't show up until all other resources have failed, which makes you wonder how effective the Empire really is if all Vader does is clean up his subordinates messes?

Sure, Obi-Wan is a target, but why bother sending Inquisitors at all if both Vader and the Emperor know that only Vader can take on Kenobi? Why go through the effort and not just send Vader on the mission in the first place? If that many Jedi survived the Purge (Order 66 is such a dumb name) then how effective was the Order in the first place?

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If Vader's role is merely to indimidate people into obeying the Empire rather than actually be a viable threat to those who oppose the Empire, then why would they even need him? The Death Star or any of their weaponry could have the same effect. Tarkin himself proclaims that fear will keep the local systems in line, fear of the Death Star. Even the Imperials in ANH openly disrespected Vader because in their minds he was a relic of another era who had little to do with the Empire's direct mission of controlling the galaxy. He was a henchman and they didn't take him seriously until he started choking people and killing them.

I know continuity isn't all that important to a lot of people as long as there are cool fights and everything, but when even the most basic questions of how these additions fit into the existing narrative, it's really hard for me to get into what's happening, and whether we like it or not this is all supposed to be just a small portion of a larger story. While the installment does have to stand on it's own as a story, it's place in the larger context matters.
 
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Separating my love of Star Wars from it and just analyzing it as a trailer, it spent a minute and a half doing very little.

30 seconds of establishing shots.
Then a brief show of Obi-Wan's motivation.
Then another 30 seconds of indistinct action shots.
Then a predictable cut the music, Vader breathing reveal at the end.

So all in all, a typical generic Star Wars trailer.

"Okay, but what else would they show, Ron? You're being way too harsh." I hear you say.

How about showing us Obi-Wan's day to day life? This shouldn't just be about him running from the Empire. It should be about how he's moved on to living a hermit's life. What's his state of mind? Perhaps it's then that something happens that reluctantly draws him back into the fight. Give us something that looks at least somewhat cathartic. This looks like just another Filoni live-action cartoon to me and is presented as such.
 
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The story with the Inquisitors is that they were Jedi or padawans that the Vader and the Emperor turned to the dark side. I think that the Obi-wan Anakin rematch with be built a lot on the lines from ROTJ "Come with me... Obi-wan once thought as you do"
 
Maybe it's because I'm a young lad (episode 1 came out when I was two) and I just have big fat nostalgia goggles on for the prequal trilogy, but this trailer has me more hyped than ever for this series! That shot of Vader's chest box getting attached followed by his breathing made me tear up...
 
The story with the Inquisitors is that they were Jedi or padawans that the Vader and the Emperor turned to the dark side.


Okay I knew that was the case with the egghead guy but I did not know they were all former Jedi.

Man the Jedi's screening process needed some improvement. That is quite a shift in beliefs.

How often do people really turn evil versus just always were?

I actually think if Obi Wan knows here that makes it a lot more interesting.
 
I'm cautiously optimistic still. It's a 6 part series, and they haven't shown much footage. So there's still plenty to see. I do hate was Disney has done with star wars besides Mando, Clone Wars and Rogue one, but maybe they treated this project with a little more care.
 
Maybe it's because I'm a young lad (episode 1 came out when I was two) and I just have big fat nostalgia goggles on for the prequal trilogy, but this trailer has me more hyped than ever for this series! That shot of Vader's chest box getting attached followed by his breathing made me tear up...


I would have loved it but didn't it look CG?
 
Maybe it's because I'm a young lad (episode 1 came out when I was two) and I just have big fat nostalgia goggles on for the prequal trilogy, but this trailer has me more hyped than ever for this series! That shot of Vader's chest box getting attached followed by his breathing made me tear up...


Oh, yeah I forgot,. Shut up! I just hit the big 50 in July. It sucks Mr. I was 2 yesterday. :)
 
So the tension will build between Obi-Wan and Reva throughout the series but his climatic duel will likely be with Vader? Ok lol. I'm dreading the inevitable Reva turning against the Empire & sacrificing herself to save Obi-Wan. I still don't see the necessity of having Vader in this. Everything we've seen looks as though it will cheapen Obi-Wan & Vader.

Not looking great so far. Still going to watch, expectations low but like others will be extremely happy to be wrong about this.
 
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Maybe it's because I'm a young lad (episode 1 came out when I was two) and I just have big fat nostalgia goggles on for the prequal trilogy, but this trailer has me more hyped than ever for this series! That shot of Vader's chest box getting attached followed by his breathing made me tear up...
Same feeling but Im just going to wait to be honest. If its good, Ill see it and if not, let it pass.

I did like Lars scolding Obi Wan since that was a call back to one of the EU comics iirc. We dont get that much info on Lars apart from grumpy naysayer that prevents Luke from leaving in OT so I liked the fact that Lars loved his nephew very much and didnt want him used as some pawn in someone else's war. He basically shoos Obi Wan away which is why Luke doesnt get trained until he is much older.
 
I do like the idea of Vader trying to see how long he can survive outside the suit while not in the Bacta tank, and I also recall this from pre Disney material, but if we see that constantly, it does beg the question of the necessity of the suit. That's far too much thought than they put into those scenes. They just wanted a cool looking "superhero suiting up sequence" for Vader rather than give it any meaning. Trust me. I would be shocked if they even explain anything remote to that piece of lore.

I get that the galaxy is a lot of ground to cover, but unless Vader was personally commanding the Empire's forces to conquer other worlds, what role does he really play other than to hunt Jedi? There's plenty of Imperial Officers to direct the battles. Vader doesn't need to be standing watch and from what we've seen, even in Rogue One, Vader doesn't show up until all other resources have failed, which makes you wonder how effective the Empire really is if all Vader does is clean up his subordinates messes?

Sure, Obi-Wan is a target, but why bother sending Inquisitors at all if both Vader and the Emperor know that only Vader can take on Kenobi? Why go through the effort and not just send Vader on the mission in the first place? If that many Jedi survived the Purge (Order 66 is such a dumb name) then how effective was the Order in the first place?

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If Vader's role is merely to indimidate people into obeying the Empire rather than actually be a viable threat to those who oppose the Empire, then why would they even need him? The Death Star or any of their weaponry could have the same effect. Tarkin himself proclaims that fear will keep the local systems in line, fear of the Death Star. Even the Imperials in ANH openly disrespected Vader because in their minds he was a relic of another era who had little to do with the Empire's direct mission of controlling the galaxy. He was a henchman and they didn't take him seriously until he started choking people and killing them.

I know continuity isn't all that important to a lot of people as long as there are cool fights and everything, but when even the most basic questions of how these additions fit into the existing narrative, it's really hard for me to get into what's happening, and whether we like it or not this is all supposed to be just a small portion of a larger story. While the installment does have to stand on it's own as a story, it's place in the larger context matters.
I think the bacta test could work as the excuse for ending the battle.

Vader here should be far stronger than Obi Wan. Vader has trained a bit in the suit, it less aggressive and impulsive than Anakin who did the leaping slash, and is now augmented by mechanics that makes his saber swings much heavier. Some lessons in the dark side should have also augmented his power. Vader isnt 100% but maybe like 60%.

Seeing this Vader essentially ragdoll Obi Wan will show why Obi didnt consider going to finish off Vader. Even for him, Vader back then was too much so he wouldnt stand a chance against 100% Vader in OT. Vader could have Obi Wan on the ropes, about to finish him but then get struck by the internal damages, having to go back into the bacta tank.

Of course, this then makes Obi Wan seem even more of a dick for sending in a even less trained Luke to fight Vader lol.

I think Vader is supposed to be the last enforcer so is meant to take on the big threats that are unrealistic for regular grunts to take on. Stormtroopers are effective but a group of jedi or decently trained padawans can still take them on. If the troops and inquisitors cant take them, then Vader steps in to do the job right.

They could be sending in inquisitors to test them in a sense. If an inquisitor could take down Obi Wan, they have potential and could be eligible to be a Sith. If they die, who cares. Vader and Sidious are both looking for potentials, Vader to overthrow Sidious and Sidious to replace Vader who is damaged goods.
 
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