jkno
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A space fart makes more sense than the Sequels
Star Wars Andor (Disney+ TV series)
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Me, either.
FWIW, Filoni wasn't running the show at those points, IIRC.
NakedMoleRat
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And stinks less
RBJ
Sr Member
They already did a Bad Ass Boba Fett Show. It's called The Mandalorian.
Yeah, but Boba Fett was beyond awesome on The Mandalorian. Then on his own show he sucked and Temuera knew it. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!! T
The three other Mandos should have known who he was and feared him. Also no other Mando or person other than true bad asses can go toe to know with Boba and survive. My main complaint of him on Mando.
Andor, although I am not a fan of the cold blooded murdering character (3 so far by my count), at least it's the same character.
The Boba Fett from ESB, ROTJ, and Mando was not the character we saw in BOBF.
It's as if Mon Mothma suddenly whipped out a lightsaber and was a hidden Jedi. Wait. That would be awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jaitea
Master Member
A conventional Star Wars character boils down to either an intrepid rebel fighter or faceless imperial.
But the characters in Andor have more nuanced and diverse motives. Moreover it's not spelled out for us but can be extrapolated from the great dialogue and writing. If you are watching Andor passively on an iPhone while browsing Amazon on your PC you're going to miss all of that. Andor is very rewarding if you give it your full attention.
Mon Mothma - Although accepting the notion of rebellion she hasn't given up trying to work within the (failing) system to keep it from slipping into tyranny.
Luthen - On the other hand, he is already committed to rebellion, and is even a prime engineer for the rebellion. He is a grand manipulator of public consciousness with a penchant for shepherding diverse assets (individuals, factions, leaders) for the cause. Luthen is Mon Mothma's Tyler Durden.
Cinta -Since her family was killed she has no attachments except to the rebellion. She seems motivated less by hope than retribution and has an absolute focus on simply being dispassionate and effective. Cinta is a perfect soldier.
Vel - We are introduced to Vel as a resistance team leader, but there is clearly something more going on when Luthen scolds her to get her attention.
We would later learn that Vel comes from privilege, and she is attracted to Cinta's sense of purpose. She wants to be a part of that world, but Cinta has to remind her that the rebellion comes first and only "what is left over" they can have for themselves. In Episode 9 Vel even uses Cinta's words as if they were her own, telling Mon Mothma that the rebellion comes first and they keep "what is left over." She is practically role-playing as Cinta. Vel is exactly the spoiled rich girl who is drawn to the romance of the rebellion.
Some viewers anticipate Syril and Dedra hooking up, but I don't see that happening. The show teases at this, but I think it's a red herring. If it does happen I would be disappointed. It would be so out of character for Dedra, if only because it's a fundamental violation of her characteristic professionalism. (From a writing standpoint it would also rob this superbly crafted character of agency and manifest the cliched convention of a major female character with a mandatory romantic interest.)
I once pointed out that Dedra's parallel in the rebellion is Luthen. Each one, in their own way, is provoking their respective sides to defining, crystalizing and destroying their opposition. In episode 7 both Dedra and Luthen both make references to "the system" having to "change or die." That is not just a coincidence. Dedra and Luthen are both the engines for galactic war.
So what is Syril to Dedra? I say he may prove to be a useful idiot. Just as Luthen is using Vel, who seems motivated by the romance of rebellion, Dedra may find a use for Syril, who is desperate to attach himself to a zealous cause/alternative maternal figure (I'm not sure if there's even a difference to him).
What makes Andor exceptional writing is that none of these backstories are actually described at all, but can be extrapolated from a careful reading of the show. There's a wealth of subtext here.
And I haven't even started talking about Cassian who just might be the most subversively intricate and interesting character of them all.
But the characters in Andor have more nuanced and diverse motives. Moreover it's not spelled out for us but can be extrapolated from the great dialogue and writing. If you are watching Andor passively on an iPhone while browsing Amazon on your PC you're going to miss all of that. Andor is very rewarding if you give it your full attention.
Mon Mothma - Although accepting the notion of rebellion she hasn't given up trying to work within the (failing) system to keep it from slipping into tyranny.
Luthen - On the other hand, he is already committed to rebellion, and is even a prime engineer for the rebellion. He is a grand manipulator of public consciousness with a penchant for shepherding diverse assets (individuals, factions, leaders) for the cause. Luthen is Mon Mothma's Tyler Durden.
Cinta -Since her family was killed she has no attachments except to the rebellion. She seems motivated less by hope than retribution and has an absolute focus on simply being dispassionate and effective. Cinta is a perfect soldier.
Vel - We are introduced to Vel as a resistance team leader, but there is clearly something more going on when Luthen scolds her to get her attention.
Some viewers anticipate Syril and Dedra hooking up, but I don't see that happening. The show teases at this, but I think it's a red herring. If it does happen I would be disappointed. It would be so out of character for Dedra, if only because it's a fundamental violation of her characteristic professionalism. (From a writing standpoint it would also rob this superbly crafted character of agency and manifest the cliched convention of a major female character with a mandatory romantic interest.)
I once pointed out that Dedra's parallel in the rebellion is Luthen. Each one, in their own way, is provoking their respective sides to defining, crystalizing and destroying their opposition. In episode 7 both Dedra and Luthen both make references to "the system" having to "change or die." That is not just a coincidence. Dedra and Luthen are both the engines for galactic war.
So what is Syril to Dedra? I say he may prove to be a useful idiot. Just as Luthen is using Vel, who seems motivated by the romance of rebellion, Dedra may find a use for Syril, who is desperate to attach himself to a zealous cause/alternative maternal figure (I'm not sure if there's even a difference to him).
What makes Andor exceptional writing is that none of these backstories are actually described at all, but can be extrapolated from a careful reading of the show. There's a wealth of subtext here.
And I haven't even started talking about Cassian who just might be the most subversively intricate and interesting character of them all.
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Great analysis from ScreenCrush, as usual...
No. Don't turn Mon Mothma into Galadriel in Rings of Power.
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Wonderful analysis. While this show isn't full of action and is rather slow and methodical, it makes up for it in the density of dialogue that smartly unveils new information about who these people truly are. I find that just as exhilarating.
All the characters in this show are like onions. Onions have layers.
Jaitea
Master Member
Earlier this year the great series ‘Better Call Saul’ reached its conclusion, I loved it, so much to it, the long series gave time for the viewer to understand & witness the transformation of the characters Jimmy & Kim.
Do we really know Luke Skywalker
Do we really know any Star Wars characters
How long have we really spent time with them
Andor just feels deeper than anything we’ve seen in the Star Wars universe, it’s meaty & believable
It’s going to be impossible for a film to get close to this character progression
J
Do we really know Luke Skywalker
Do we really know any Star Wars characters
How long have we really spent time with them
Andor just feels deeper than anything we’ve seen in the Star Wars universe, it’s meaty & believable
It’s going to be impossible for a film to get close to this character progression
J
According to Tony Gilroy (Via Collider.com), season 2 of ‘Star Wars: Andor’ will begin production on November 21st.
This last episode, while lacking blasters, was just outstanding. Mon Milfma cousin Val using the same line in her that Cinta used on her. Lt. Meero showing straight cold hearted ruthlessness when it came to killing and planting the Rebel pilot. The overall ruthlessness of the Empire with how quickly they euthanized Ulaf. Like straight away, no discussion. Just great all around plot and acting.
Wolfsburg
Master Member
Was talking to some friends about this and wondered if someone could provide some clarification. So in the latest episode, my understanding is the people of Level 2 (or whatever) discover that workers are not actually being released when their sentence is up. A prisoner from another level (Level 4?) was actually just moved to another level, correct? Did the Empire really think the guy wouldn't say anything? ("Guys, I was supposed to be released but they just moved me..."). How was this supposed to be kept a secret? Or am I misunderstanding what happened there?
Because of the Aldhani heist the Empire started cracking down on crime and increasing its enforcement and surveillance privileges by way of the Public Order Resentencing Directive (P.O.R.D.). Among other effects, prison terms were also increased dramatically even for those already incarcerated.
On Narkina 5 an inmate on Level 4 was due to be released but, due to the new directives, the inmate would be sent to serve an additional sentence instead, presumably at one of the adjacent complexes in order to keep inmates from finding out. The idea being to keep people incarcerated indefinitely. But due to a bureaucratic error, he was placed in the same facility on Level 2. People on Level 2 who knew him then understood they will not be allowed to leave. And either they started to riot or they were just executed as witnesses.
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HMSwolfe
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I view it more that the Empire didn’t really expect there to be much communication between the different cells/floors of the prison. Moving one guy who’d finished his sentence somewhere else in the prison shouldn’t have caused a big splash outside of that floor, but the hand signals/sign language and the doctor kind of screwed that.That still doesn't quite explain it. No matter where he went, even if it was another planet, he could still spill the beans. Wolfsburg's question remains.
