Star Wars Ahsoka (tv series)

Joek3rr said:
Dave has his moments there's no doubt. But....

I used to be in this boat. I thought Dave was still working on giving us George's vision. He's not. He's giving us his vision. And it doesn't always align with George's. Heck he's specifically walked back on decisions that George made. Like having Jango be a Mandalorian again. Dave's views in the Jedi, their relationship with the Clone Wars. Anakin's fall, and who's responsible. They are not at all George's.
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Agreed. Also the PT is proof that when George gets nearly exactly what he wants without much help from others (writers, directors, even actors) his content suffers greatly. He's not infallible even when it comes to his own creation.

Even if Filoni was carrying on the torch and doing exactly what Lucas had envisioned for post PT SW content, that doesn't mean that what George wanted then was good storytelling or that Filoni is this brilliant storyteller. We should look at the body of his work to judge it, not who supposedly gave it the "stamp" of approval.
 
Joek3rr said:
I hope Anakin doesn't find out what he becomes. That would alter everything? Unless they pull something super contrived, again, so that he forgets.
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I am torn. Part of me agrees. It would/could change everything. Specifically Anakin being the one who brings balance while NOT falling to become Vader could become a real possibility if he does find out. Or a scenario where he has the knowledge, tries to not give in, but ends up falling to the dark side via another set of circumstances Sounds crazy. I am probably waaay overthinking it. Maybe he just goes back and Filoni leaves is guessing….

But another part of me has seen the reception of Hayden back into Star wars at Celebration and the Obi Wan show and I LOVE the idea of more Hayden in Star Wars. He got a bad wrap back then
 
Malibu139 said:
exactly - he pulled her in but I “think” she had to go back into her time where he pulled her out of. I think Anakin did the same to her here. They will talk - maybe anakin finds out about what he becomes- then she has to go back into her timeline, meet up with Hera and get back on the chase. I think the purgils factor into getting them to where Baylan and co. Went. And Anakin goes back to where he entered… that leaves some things to be considered too I think.

It’s super interesting to think maybe Baylen has some insights/knowledge due to the WBW too
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So I watched an interview with Dave and he mentioned that it's not a place with just doorways you can walk in and out. You can pull people in, but they have to go back to where they came. So if Ezra had decided to save Kanan, then Kanan would hvae had to go back to his world where the Ghost crew is all dead since he didn't save them.

He did say that it's a place of knowledge. A place where you can learn stuff and use it for good or evil. So the "Baylan knows stuff because he was in the WBW" still potentially holds. Haha.

Though I will say this was from a few years ago and since it hasn't been 100% defined in the world, it's possible he tweaks the rules.
 
Usagi Pilgrim said:
Here ya go...


Not to derail, but this is an example of why I like Filoni & tend to 'dismiss' those that look down on the animated Filoni stuff as just "cartoons". The story told in these 3 minutes or so was better than some of the entire shows that SW has produced, but that's not taking away from them at all. It's just that level above.

I mean, look... Maul wants his revenge & keeps probing until he hits the nerve by figuring out why Kenobi is there. Kenobi completely changes from sympathetic compassion for Maul, to determined guardian that knows Maul can't be allowed to live.

He goes into his preferred stance from his youth & then sees that Maul hasn't really matured out of rage, so he changes his stance into Qui Gon's, hoping to draw Maul in. It works & Maul attacks & tries the exact same move that stunned Jinn, with hitting in the face with his saber hilt, but Kenobi sees it coming a mile off & strikes Maul down in less than 5 moves. The entire fight took place in their heads before anyone made a move.

THAT'S ALL FILONI

That's great storytelling & to me that's what Filoni does. That was all him. Between things like this clip & the clip of him sitting with the directors of Mando, explaining why it was wrong for Kenobi to train Anakin show me that he gets it, & I don't care how many try to dismiss him. He's been with George from the beginning of TCW & was picked by him to carry on the vision that GEORGE wanted, & I've personally read enough interviews with them both & seen enough clips of them explaining that vision, that I stand by the belief that he gets it. Personality dismiss it all you want, but it doesn't change it.
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I wholeheartedly agree that this scene was great and quite possibly the best in Rebels. Truly an amazing duel.
 
I only caught a couple episodes of Rebels, so I'm not entirely aware of every reference in this show. Is the World Between Worlds closer to a sort of limbo, or the Star Wars equivalent of the Nexus from Star Trek Generations?
 
ScourgiousJinx said:
Agreed. Also the PT is proof that when George gets nearly exactly what he wants without much help from others (writers, directors, even actors) his content suffers greatly. He's not infallible even when it comes to his own creation.

Even if Filoni was carrying on the torch and doing exactly what Lucas had envisioned for post PT SW content, that doesn't mean that what George wanted then was good storytelling or that Filoni is this brilliant storyteller. We should look at the body of his work to judge it, not who supposedly gave it the "stamp" of approval.
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Exactly...

I've really gone back these last few weeks & watched interviews with Lucas where he talks about the larger ideas in the SW universe, as opposed to story beats. When he talks about the Force specifically, it's always with a MUCH broader mindset than ANYTHING we've ever gotten onscreen. I believe that's where a big point of contention comes in with various fans...

One group feels that if it wasn't presented onscreen, then it doesn't exist.

Another feels that if George says it, then it's canon whether we SAW it or not.

Then another group will go all the way back to his 'Journal of the Whills' proto-SW & pull themes & ideas from there.

In all these cases, it's clear that Lucas had a greater idea of something like the Force than he ever explicitly explained, & unfortunately, when the ideas are expanded on, like we've seen in TCW, REBELS, the sequels(to an extent), & here with AHSOKA, if they don't line up with the head canon some have made up themselves, then they want to cry foul.

NOTHING HAS CHANGED except for the amount of information we've been presented. Some want to cry "RETCON" when new info is presented, but to my mind, new info in ANYTHING only changes what you THOUGHT you knew.
 
Haha. If they ever start using some sort of in universe new canon to start erasing stuff like the sequels (as fanboys are praying) then Star Wars can fall off a cliff and land on a Lego brick.

Facts of Life man. You take the good you take the bad!

If whiners get their way cuz “wah. I don’t like Rey! They need to use time travel and wipe out that while trilogy!!!” Then I hope they go back, redo A New Hope, and gender swap every character in the OT and make that the new official canon.

I hope Phoebe Waller bridge plays Leia and Leai - the same name Skywalker twins…

I hope KK herself gets to star as the new most powerful Jedi in her own trilogy - directed by Kelly Marie Tran.

She’s been on screen before… she was a dancer in Temple of Doom’s opening!

Gotta say tho… I kinda peaced out on this series, but I’ve always liked Hayden as a person and interested in seeing him in this

Damn now I gotta peace back in…
 
Elevader said:
So I watched an interview with Dave and he mentioned that it's not a place with just doorways you can walk in and out. You can pull people in, but they have to go back to where they came. So if Ezra had decided to save Kanan, then Kanan would hvae had to go back to his world where the Ghost crew is all dead since he didn't save them.

He did say that it's a place of knowledge. A place where you can learn stuff and use it for good or evil. So the "Baylan knows stuff because he was in the WBW" still potentially holds. Haha.

Though I will say this was from a few years ago and since it hasn't been 100% defined in the world, it's possible he tweaks the rules.
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So it seems this theory isn't totally unique (nothing ever is in Star Wars). Here is a video I found about Baylan seeking the WBW. It's also a good brush up on what happened with the WBW in Rebels. I didn't remember that Palpatine rebuilt the entrance on Thrawns ship and Ezra destroyed it? I gotta brush up on Rebels again. So I guess the ruins of the portal would be on his ship?

 
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This was such a badass scene. Imagine what that would do to a person's internal organs.

Oh wait...

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Usagi Pilgrim said:
Exactly...

I've really gone back these last few weeks & watched interviews with Lucas where he talks about the larger ideas in the SW universe, as opposed to story beats. When he talks about the Force specifically, it's always with a MUCH broader mindset than ANYTHING we've ever gotten onscreen. I believe that's where a big point of contention comes in with various fans...

One group feels that if it wasn't presented onscreen, then it doesn't exist.

Another feels that if George says it, then it's canon whether we SAW it or not.

Then another group will go all the way back to his 'Journal of the Whills' proto-SW & pull themes & ideas from there.

In all these cases, it's clear that Lucas had a greater idea of something like the Force than he ever explicitly explained, & unfortunately, when the ideas are expanded on, like we've seen in TCW, REBELS, the sequels(to an extent), & here with AHSOKA, if they don't line up with the head canon some have made up themselves, then they want to cry foul.

NOTHING HAS CHANGED except for the amount of information we've been presented. Some want to cry "RETCON" when new info is presented, but to my mind, new info in ANYTHING only changes what you THOUGHT you knew.
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I understand what you're saying truly. I don't agree that nothing has changed, more information is change. Doesn't necessarily mean that any of it is bad without looking at the content itself, the stories, the way they were delivered, the writing and all of the elements that make up a show or a film (which are areas in which those who don't like Filoni often have issue). His faults are not adding more information, expanding upon things and filling in gaps as it's impossible to make new content in a preexisting universe without doing that on some level. But I think Filoni has talent and really shows it at times like in Mando Season 1 and on occasion in Rebels. Other times not so much.
 
ScourgiousJinx said:
I understand what you're saying truly. I don't agree that nothing has changed, more information is change. Doesn't necessarily mean that any of it is bad without looking at the content itself, the stories, the way they were delivered, the writing and all of the elements that make up a show or a film (which are areas in which those who don't like Filoni often have issue). His faults are not adding more information, expanding upon things and filling in gaps as it's impossible to make new content in a preexisting universe without doing that on some level. But I think Filoni has talent and really shows it at times like in Mando Season 1 and on occasion in Rebels. Other times not so much.
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Fair points all. Thank you.
 
Also I understand your love for the SW universe as I continue to do so regardless of what new content good or bad comes along. I don't always like the new stuff but it doesn't ruin the past unless I chose it to. We're all in control of how we take in content and how we let it effect us. Once we realize that life (and SW content) isn't just about what we individually want and think should happen, everything is much easier.
 
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Anyone else get the feeling that the story between Ahsoka and Sabine is leading towards GL original idea that anyone can learn how to use the force? Maybe the Jedi/Sith M count restriction was something he wanted to expand on in his EP7-9.
 
janglesworthy said:
Anyone else get the feeling that the story between Ahsoka and Sabine is leading towards GL original idea that anyone can learn how to use the force? Maybe the Jedi/Sith M count restriction was something he wanted to expand on in his EP7-9.
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In the making of RotJ book, there's a conversation between Kazdan & Lucas about that, & George states that EVERYONE can use the Force since it's in everything, but he said that only the Jedi & Sith actually take the time to practice & actually USE it.

Now, to be fair, he also says in the same conversation that Yoda was more of a trainer than a fighter & that he never fought Vader because he knew Vader would destroy him. So it was before he'd hammered out the details of the prequels, but I can see this as something that he'd still think.
 
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