Axlotl
Master Member
There's nothing wrong with this. It looks great. Why did they try to fix what wasn't broken? They made it look awful. I don't get it...
Star Trek: TMP Director’s Cut 4K
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The first images were taken from a 4K TV in my office so any still image snapped from the screen looks worse than it does on-screen, from a color standpoint (slightly over-saturated)
I threw it up on my 4k projector and the blue screen issues in the officer’s lounge scene didn’t look as bad, though they are still noticeable and people’s faces still look distorted/uneven at times against the “new windows” (especially Bone’s partially cloaked nose in the profile shot).
My only nitpicks are the Wilhelm scream added in engineering during V’Ger’s first attack on the Enterprise (you’ll hear it) and the officer’s lounge scene. These really are nitpicks though.
Otherwise, the film looks outstanding and the sound has never sounded so deep and full.
They also color corrected the “red filter on Vulcan” that had been applied in the previous 4K theatrical edition release. The other “Director’s Cut” effects from the original DVD release are all greatly improved upon.
I think it’s a fantastic result.
I threw it up on my 4k projector and the blue screen issues in the officer’s lounge scene didn’t look as bad, though they are still noticeable and people’s faces still look distorted/uneven at times against the “new windows” (especially Bone’s partially cloaked nose in the profile shot).
My only nitpicks are the Wilhelm scream added in engineering during V’Ger’s first attack on the Enterprise (you’ll hear it) and the officer’s lounge scene. These really are nitpicks though.
Otherwise, the film looks outstanding and the sound has never sounded so deep and full.
They also color corrected the “red filter on Vulcan” that had been applied in the previous 4K theatrical edition release. The other “Director’s Cut” effects from the original DVD release are all greatly improved upon.
I think it’s a fantastic result.
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It could be worse, I guess…
I’ll take somewhat poorly executed / dodgy matte lines and an inserted background over, well, this…
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I totally like lapti nek over jedi rocks any day, and not just the whole scene. I prefer the movie version over the album one though.
I watched the esteemed Mr. Burnett’s review right after it was released. Good stuff.
I have no need for CBS All Ass/Pramount +, so I’ll be seeing this in the theater and then picking up the Blu-Ray.
I had the sneaking feeling they’d finally attempt to realize the original concept for the the officers’ lounge. It would seem that perhaps they didn’t have the original bluescreen photography to work with, then? Perhaps they’ll fine-tune it for the Blu release.
I have no need for CBS All Ass/Pramount +, so I’ll be seeing this in the theater and then picking up the Blu-Ray.
I had the sneaking feeling they’d finally attempt to realize the original concept for the the officers’ lounge. It would seem that perhaps they didn’t have the original bluescreen photography to work with, then? Perhaps they’ll fine-tune it for the Blu release.
kalkamel
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I sent Rob a super chat during the stream asking him if he knew if Kurtzman and his Secret Hideout cohorts were invited to the screening, and Rob answered yes, but he didn't see any of them in attendance. I immediately thought what kinda questions would pop on Kurtzman's mind if he had watched it, and came up with this.
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Never seen the director's cut of "The slow-motion picture"
Will definitely pick up the physical release.
Will definitely pick up the physical release.
robn1
Master Member
The main problem with this scene is that they wanted to reshape and reposition the windows, which led to shots where there was part of the set behind people that now would need space behind them. They had to digitally cut out the people from the scene and composite them over the new setting, and they did a pretty poor job of it. Though it does look better than the first director's edition where the added nacelle didn't match the angle.
Yeah it looks like they moved the area of the Officers’ Lounge scene from the rear edge of the saucer (theatrical release and first director’s edition) up to the lounge located essentially behind and below the bridge.
Here is how the scene was originally envisioned.
The scene was always intended to be set in the B/C deck area below the Bridge, but they just didn’t have the time/money to realize the set and FX, so they threw together the set with leftover elements from the Rec Deck set. Later sources, such as MR. SCOTT’S GUIDE TO THE ENTERPRISE, justified this by saying that the characters were sitting in a private room within the lounge, and that the “windows” were actually viewscreens.
The 2001 Director’s Edition took the approach of showing that they were indeed windows, and, based on the angle of the CG nacelle added to the scene (an angle chosen the because the shape of the set’s windows are a match ONLY with the square Rec Deck windows on the FX miniature of the ship), that the lounge was located on the upper level of the Rec Deck, which doesn’t work.
The Rec Deck set featured a scenic backdrop painting of the drydock and the nacelles, similar to the angle seen in the 2001 Director’s Editon, but there’s no way the lounge could also be located there, since we can very clearly see that it’s just a balcony in front of the windows.
The Rec Deck painted backdrop, showing the port nacelle:
Screencap from the film, showing the windows and the barely-glimpsed starboard nacelle on the backdrop:
The Officers’ Lounge as seen in the theatrical cut:
The Officers’ Lounge as seen in the 2001 Director’s Edition, which was essentially a lower-budget version of the Rec Deck and its view out the windows:
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Wow—I never knew where the Rec Deck was actually located. This is a new one for me.
Yes, here are the Rec Deck windows on the FX miniature:
As opposed to the Officers’ Lounge windows on the miniature:
A representation of the intended interior for the Officers’ Lounge actually does appear in the film, since a miniature of it was used for the view out the windows during the scene where Spock arrives aboard the ship. Obviously, building those four curved windows for the live action set would have been much more costly than what they ended up using.
robn1
Master Member
The seating area could have been on the rec deck lower level, as there are two rows of windows. But the officers' lounge makes more sense for the scene.
The problem is that the Officers' Lounge set has partitions and planters and other structural elements that are not in the Rec Deck set. Decker and the Ilia-probe are later seen talking in that very spot (with the bluescreen windows blacked out due to time/money in 1979, and the view of the V'Ger interior added in 2001), and it doesn't match the earlier Officers' Lounge scene at all.
Well, TMP is a remake/retelling of The Changeling, so there is that.
