Star Trek: Strange New Worlds

[Cephus]

Fair points. I guess if you feel the franchise has gone too far afield, then it's not for you anymore. Honestly, maybe it's not for me anymore either, but some of my comments were aimed more at the people who have been bothered by (imo) smaller changes like updating the costumes, the tech, casting, and whatnot. I can understand if you feel the characters and stories have been changed too much - I certainly agree with that, for the most part. I guess I want to see new stories set in the Trek universe and just keep hoping that something will deliver. That doesn't mean I'll just watch anything - I haven't watched Prodigy or Lower Decks, and I stopped watching Enterprise and Discovery. Maybe because I'm hoping SNW will deliver on some level, I'm trying not to be too hard on it before I even see it.

It's not about the window dressing, it's about the fundamental core of what makes Star Trek feel like Trek. It's a show about exploration and hopefulness, which has been absolutely lost in the modern era. Far too many people these days, Trek and otherwise, have been trying to reimagine everything into something that it's not. The same thing has been happening with Star Wars and many other franchises. Terminator looks absolutely nothing like Terminator anymore. These shows are Trek-in-name-only. So long as they're trying to make post-post-modern Trek, they are going to fail, appealing only to young people who grew up in the post-post-modern era.

Hard pass for most fans.

 

[Gregatron]

The fact that Enterprise is included in this just proves that what people consider "good" Star Trek is entirely arbitrary and mostly depends on what you've gotten used to. I remember when Enterprise was being absolutely raked over the coals on a weekly basis.

Even the black sheep is still part of the family, and still shares some of the DNA of the more beloved family members.

I don’t have any love for ENTERPRISE. It’s a case of wasted potential, and is not a proper TOS prequel in any way. It could have been THE RIGHT STUFF version of STAR TREK, but ended up just being warmed-over Berman-era TREK, with “phase pistols” instead of phasers, “tactical alert” instead of “red alert”, and “hull plating” instead of shields. To say nothing of numerous dumb retcons and continuity issues. The franchise was running on fumes, at that point, after 20 years of consistent production. This all presaged where things went with Bad Reboot and the like, but at least they were still trying, and the TREK DNA—diluted however it may have been, by that point—was still in there.


Now, though, it’s more akin to a hillbilly family moving into someone else’s home, and stealing the family’s name. Squatters. Identity theft and fraud.

 

[Gregatron]

It's not about the window dressing, it's about the fundamental core of what makes Star Trek feel like Trek. It's a show about exploration and hopefulness, which has been absolutely lost in the modern era. Far too many people these days, Trek and otherwise, have been trying to reimagine everything into something that it's not. The same thing has been happening with Star Wars and many other franchises. Terminator looks absolutely nothing like Terminator anymore. These shows are Trek-in-name-only. So long as they're trying to make post-post-modern Trek, they are going to fail, appealing only to young people who grew up in the post-post-modern era.

Hard pass for most fans.

“The Human Adventure is Just Beginning” has become “Smash The White Supremacist Patriarchy and Think How We Tell You To”.

 

[Cephus]

“The Human Adventure is Just Beginning” has become “Smash The White Supremacist Patriarchy and Think How We Tell You To”.

So long as that's the case, I will never watch again. I'm not saying that they can't make whatever they want to make, it appeals to a modern audience to some degree, but it doesn't appeal to me. Star Trek today is nothing like Star Trek was in its heyday and that's a problem.

 

[Picard102]

“The Human Adventure is Just Beginning” has become “Smash The White Supremacist Patriarchy and Think How We Tell You To”.

Because they have two black people in the cast? Seem a bit of a stretch.

 

[NakedMoleRat]

I have the same problem with Doctor Who now. The show went from fun trips though time and space, getting mixed up with the local bad guy and fixing it, to being a weekly political statement with the Doctor being some kind of paragon for humanity.

 

[sbaxter]

The fact that Enterprise is included in this just proves that what people consider "good" Star Trek is entirely arbitrary and mostly depends on what you've gotten used to. I remember when Enterprise was being absolutely raked over the coals on a weekly basis.

I remember going to a convention in late '87 or so and hearing fans boo and insult TNG, portraying it as an affront to the original series and alleging its complete lack of the heart of same. And from there, I heard plenty of gripes about DS9, Voyager (hoo-boy), and especially Enterprise (sheesh!). It got very tiresome.

There are things about the current shows I would prefer to do without, but I still mostly enjoy watching them to one degree or another -- so far.

SSB

 

[Gregatron]

Because they have two black people in the cast? Seem a bit of a stretch.

That's not what I said.


STD has numerous documented instances of this ideology, with white, "mansplaining" characters being killed off or belittled by strong females and/or minorities. A clear streak of misandry and racism against "toxic" white men.


This sums up the difference between old and new TREK very well:

And just look at this recent example. All of the characters in authority are women and/or minorities. For all intents and purposes, it's a matriarchy. This runs counter to the balanced, egalitarian future which TREK used to stand for.

STAR TREK used to unite people from all walks of life. Now, it emphasizes differences and tears people apart.

 

[Lightning]

All of the characters in authority are women and/or minorities. For all intents and purposes, it's a matriarchy.

Did you forget about Admiral Vance, one of the best Admirals we've ever seen in Trek? Or does he not count because the actor is Jewish? Also General Ndoye was allowed to screw up and make bad decisions (although she didn't seem to face any consequences for that, unfortunately) so that was progress.

 

[Picard102]

In your own examples, the female captain suffered the loss of her position due to her dismissing the male crewmember. She was a bad captain.
Spock lifting Number One is logical, he's her subordinate and is several times stronger than she is. It's not a humiliation to assist someone of another gender.

This all sounds like incredibly thin skinned critiques governed by pre-existing biases. It's not misandry to have capable women characters point out the flaw in male characters. It's not racism to have white people in roles where the characters do not do their best. An egalitarian society wouldn't have any issue at all with women holding the highest offices, even if other leaders happened to be women at the time.

Where were these complaints from people when there was little female leadership on screen? Where were the complaints about mostly white casts on these show before? Was it racist that Worf was continually shut down on TNG?

Arguments like these really do a disservice to the fans, and helps silence legitimate complaints about the series.

 

[kalkamel]

 

[renaissance_man]

So this is the 2nd Kurtzman/JJ reboot of Spock. The Secret Hideout team must really be proud of themselves for such originality.
It's only a matter of time before they do a new series "Star Trek Inbetween" where they show what happens when a character leaves one room to go to another. Or maybe Star Trek Turbo, each episode is set in the turbolift and you get to hear the crew's discussions between scenes travelling between decks
It will star Admiral Julie Kirk, sister of the legendary captain. Bones half brother Nigel "Tendons" McCoy and Scotty's cousin, Alun "Wrenches" Jones, the welsh engineer. Nala Soong will be onboard as mission specialist in cybernetics, wink wink, you know easter eggs and references and all that!

 

[NakedMoleRat]

That has got to be the worst Spock hairpiece and sideburns ever.

 

[Lightning]

Character trailers

 

[renaissance_man]

Character trailers

Hard pass.

 

[kalkamel]

Imagine a descendant of Hitler serving in the US Military, and still maintaining the Hitler surname.

 

[Lightning]

Imagine a descendant of Hitler serving in the US Military, and still maintaining the Hitler surname.

You do know that William P. Hitler, his nephew, served in the US Navy in WWII, don't you? Had to get Roosevelt's permission. He changed his name after the war.

 

[kalkamel]

You do know that William P. Hitler, his nephew, served in the US Navy in WWII, don't you? Had to get Roosevelt's permission. He changed his name after the war.

Thank you for that interesting factoid. I wasn't aware of that, but then again, I'm not American. But even then, at least he knew the stigma his surname carried enough to change it.

 

[NakedMoleRat]

Character trailers

I watched them all. They had the opposite effect of what was intended.

 

[Cephus]

I watched them all. They had the opposite effect of what was intended.

Same here. Granted, I had no interest in it before, but that just cemented it. It's got the same problem that Discovery does, these people don't comprehend basic military protocol. You don't talk to commanding officers like that while on duty.